Post AXs5P9oyGWe3ZRWufY by gat@mu.zaitcev.nu
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(DIR) Post #AXn4zWYFEDuOeH3AOG by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T16:18:49Z
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I just bought a level-3 holster. I now have every level from level-3 down covered. If you were to **open** carry what level holster would you use?For reference the levels are as follow:level 1: Friction retention only (this is most holsters)level 2: Friction retention, plus one locking mechnism (A button to release)level 3: Friction retention, plus two locking mechanisms (usually a guard for the hammer plus a button to release the gun)#gun #guns #2a
(DIR) Post #AXn6ZVRuu3VPbroORs by mandlebro@qoto.org
2023-07-17T16:36:35Z
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@freemo you have to be careful it’s those button releases. A bunch of people have shot themselves because of button releases where if one uses the index finger and maintains pressure after the gun is drawn the finger slides into the trigger guard. For my revolvers I use thumb strap holsters, for autoloaders I use “level 1”
(DIR) Post #AXn6l4EvtQ9GhEFeFs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T16:38:36Z
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@mandlebro Depends on a few factors.So my level-2 has the button positioned near the waist, so no issue of that regardless.My level-3 has two buttons, and one of them is positioned like you suggest. However since i always have the safety on that wouldnt be an issue even if it did happen. So far that hasnt been an issue for me even with the safety off.
(DIR) Post #AXn9L9MuVAn6w5Jf7o by SteelFolk@qoto.org
2023-07-17T17:07:35Z
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@freemo Not in the UK, but I see cops with ones which have a button-down flap over it in Europe. Is that not a type you can have?
(DIR) Post #AXn9SBJnePMn0hDKoC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T17:08:50Z
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@SteelFolk Yes the flap that exists is usually one of the locking mechanisms... If that is the only lock/retention in use it would be level-2.
(DIR) Post #AXnA5UtsmNFh2Jq3tI by SteelFolk@qoto.org
2023-07-17T17:15:59Z
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@freemo They look as if they are to keep the rain off the gun. If you had one here, it would be something to consider!
(DIR) Post #AXnAPxWi3bjXbvkyS8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T17:19:38Z
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@SteelFolk The purpose is to protect the hammer/gun from catching on something. but there are two types, one of which isnt considered a lock/retention.
(DIR) Post #AXnDHfqAEJzwItb5SS by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.club
2023-07-17T17:51:49.476187Z
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@mandlebro @freemo Yeah, button on the outside releases for retention holsters, ones that prevent simple grabbing of your gun, are such a no-no I’m surprised they even exist (can’t remember now the really infamous model of them).As I understand it, the good holsters might include a button but that and the real action is inside the holster, such that the manipulations required to release it won’t cause a negligent discharge. These can be so good at their general job the Tsarnaev brothers of Boston Marathon bombing infamy couldn’t figure out how to release the gun from the holster of the police officer they ambushed and killed and left it behind.
(DIR) Post #AXnE8TdyJ7bBpB4a00 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T18:01:17Z
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@ThatWouldBeTelling @mandlebro While i agree on the second half, that level-2+ is great to prevent people from snatching your gun, I disagree on your first statement about button on the outside.2 out of the three level-2+ holsters I have are button on the outside. I have never accidentally hit the trigger hitting it and even if i did the safety would have protected me. So its hard to see a real issue there unless you dont have a safety, in which case I'd say the concern is very valid.It has to be considered situationally. Im running a 1911, so it has 2 safeties, the palm safety and the switch itself. So a whole lot of mistakes would have to happen all at once to get a misfire.
(DIR) Post #AXnF7g8IUIBWDuRN0S by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.club
2023-07-17T18:12:17.494648Z
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@freemo @mandlebro Yeah, you and I run M1911s so this is less of a concern unless we manage to swipe off the main safety way too early, which would also likely depress the grip safety.(Also note I’m 99% IWB well hidden concealed carry so I don’t have good/real opinions on open carry.)The accidents with button outside holsters were as I recall with Glocks, which in terms of acceptance by US police departments the total lack of a real safety was a big plus, they work rather like the revolvers they were replacing.Let me mention something from Massad Ayoob’s safety video: guns with external hammers can be safer for holstering. You put your thumb under or over the it and if it releases (SA like M1911) or starts to move up you can in theory avoid a discharge. Not an option with a normal Glock, and in all cases avoid clothing that might dangle into the holster, windbreaker string closure holders are one known bad example.
(DIR) Post #AXnFNs6vineO0PWSGW by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T18:15:17Z
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@ThatWouldBeTelling With my HK VP9 I would not run a level-3 with front button unlock. The only safety it has is a trigger safety, and that is almost like no safety at all.@mandlebro
(DIR) Post #AXnG1nNUjmVCuVJ8CW by torparskytt@mastodon.nu
2023-07-17T18:22:26Z
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@freemo Definitely level 3 considering the risk of theft. But I dream, even concealed carry is illegal here since decades (well, technically may-issue but virtually never heard of.)
(DIR) Post #AXnG8BJGfkPws4NLai by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T18:23:40Z
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@torparskytt Yea I am very thankful to be in a shall-issue state... open carry outside of the city doesnt even need a license... but to conceal or carry open or concealed int he city you do need one. So I have one.
(DIR) Post #AXnfk0kkrrhVzLMrWi by Romaq@qoto.org
2023-07-17T23:10:39Z
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@freemo If I were in a position to carry, I'm a big fan of not shooting my nuts off. Level 3 please.
(DIR) Post #AXnftbed2VL52e4s5I by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T23:12:22Z
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@Romaq one thing pointed out is if your gun doesnt have the right sort of safety level 3 may put you at higher risk.For my 1911 though i feel the level 3 pairs nicely.
(DIR) Post #AXngFnwy0LbRXzEwhk by Romaq@qoto.org
2023-07-17T23:16:24Z
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@freemo I know enough to know I don't want to be in the position of having to make those choices. But if put upon me, I'd research carefully. I don't care for self-inflicted decorative piercings.
(DIR) Post #AXngQd013ljqlkpM7E by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-17T23:18:20Z
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@Romaq You have tons of options, and its always a tradeoff between your safety re: accidents vs your safety in an attack... Gun ownership is often about finding an appropriate balance.For example level 3 holster with a gun with a safety and/or not chambering it will certainly put you in a pretty safe spot... But chambering a bullet adds a good 2 seconds to your readiness too... Most cops are always chambered for that reason.
(DIR) Post #AXs5P9oyGWe3ZRWufY by gat@mu.zaitcev.nu
2023-07-20T02:17:00.820153Z
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@freemo @ThatWouldBeTelling @mandlebro You might want to read the actual source: the FLETC report on SERPA. It's a little dry, but not too bad, and explains everything, including the known NDs at FLETC facilities and the experiments they staged when debugging the issue. There's too much Internet lore spun around the issue.
(DIR) Post #AXs7tWi9vP7J9ux7L6 by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.club
2023-07-20T02:44:59.542862Z
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@gat @freemo @mandlebro The SERPA holster! Thanks, that was the name I was trying to remember.This seems to be the FLETC report you’re referring to: https://www.fletc.gov/sites/default/files/imported_files/reference/public-information/freedom-of-information-act-foia/reading-room/training-information/holisterStudy.pdf