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(DIR) Post #AXgatuRPKaZlQkV0fg by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-14T13:12:49Z
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Sorry, more #Threads talk. I’ve realised there is another potential upside for Threads supporting #ActivityPub and federating. It gives Meta the ability to use different apps in different jurisdictions. An EU compliant Threads could be a completely different app, but would federated with the original. Meta doesn’t need to compromise the creepiness of the original to move into the EU. Places with strict censorship can get their own Meta localised apps. You’re “free” not to use them.
(DIR) Post #AXgjKYcpLhbHDp3gH2 by cbt@snabelen.no
2023-07-14T14:47:03Z
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@john exactly! Fuck yeah. It's nice to see people that aren't just hating on corporations on the mera stuff. Its a huge step forward for improving socialmedia, and regulating it better, and gives extreme flexibillity, in addition to empowering people in choosing providers that respect them.And while meta can be critizised, i think this move by them is the biggest gift they could give to the world right now. And while they swing away if it goes bad, its a huge investment from their side.
(DIR) Post #AXglUyDTFzEbOZI6ng by af@dataare.cool
2023-07-14T15:12:00Z
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@john EU said no to Threads over collusion and anticompetitive practises not GDPR.To start a new social network in the EU smartly requires an empty social graph, or for Meta to grant others access to its social graph.They are rightly being punished for bootstrapping Threads with Insta.
(DIR) Post #AXgn8ssMdDzSMz0yhM by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-14T15:28:55Z
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@af yes, that a fair point, and I should have worded better (Instagram is operating under the GDPR, after all). The point is that this gives them the ability to avoid creating grand-compromise services. They can be as anti-competitive, and as privacy-invasive as local laws allow.If they have to start from the ground-up in the EU, so be it. It’s better than having to start from the ground-up everywhere.
(DIR) Post #AXiRcAHrAPeS5lPpNQ by rakyat@hachyderm.io
2023-07-15T10:37:19Z
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@john Do they need ActivityPub to accomplish this though? They can just release Threads Lite in some countries.
(DIR) Post #AXj6cX8QJcJL4eIWHo by jaymcor@mastodon.acm.org
2023-07-15T18:18:01Z
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@john Seems like such a setup is indeed concordant with the distributed nature of #Fediverse (e.g. localized administration and moderation policies--for instance EU might have a policy against Nazi creeps, while US might specifically require that Nazis be given a platform, and so the EU would be free to be Nazi free, wouldn't have to be a tug-of-war with the US forcing the whole world to adopt whatever policies it is currently pursuing). In theory this flexibility allows better local policies.
(DIR) Post #AXjEVaAFS8yi4lLcEy by volkris@qoto.org
2023-07-15T19:46:27Z
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@johnMy [uninformed] impression is that this wouldn’t get them out of having to comply more fully with EU regulations, which would be pretty concerned with the backend, not just the front.Or to look at it a different way, whatever they could do with an ActivityPub Threads app they could do with a non-AP Threads app.
(DIR) Post #AXjKpRlUzRRHXicunI by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-15T20:57:20Z
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@volkris the point is that is has a different back end, but can connect to the original Threads. And with a standard protocol no less!
(DIR) Post #AXjbbYH3gv8WtfLft2 by anthracite@dragon.style
2023-07-16T00:05:14Z
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@john...huh, that's an *interesting* idea. Different servers that are less privacy-violating, different apps. And I bet they have a plan in place for making sure that the US servers only "accidentally" track a GDPR-violating amount of stuff about EU users.
(DIR) Post #AXkrzWs0M8ZZuu2qtk by volkris@qoto.org
2023-07-16T14:43:33Z
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@johnI just don’t think the EU would easily accept such a loophole.It sounds like Meta would be anticipating or even intending the client to use the alternative backend, and I imagine that’s enough for EU regulators to call them out.
(DIR) Post #AXkscAURUxO1nfRrou by john@sauropods.win
2023-07-16T14:50:36Z
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@volkris accept what? Meta making an eu-regulation compliant product that interfaced with Threads over a standard protocol? If they don’t allow that, then a lot of Mastodon servers are going to be in trouble!
(DIR) Post #AXkw0cc2tGMTpjMBBg by volkris@qoto.org
2023-07-16T15:28:32Z
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@johnYes, a lot of Mastodon servers are going to be in trouble :)Well, I’m half joking.In seriousness, I’m happy to admit that I don’t know the details of the US regs, and if anyone does know the details I’m interested in learning.BUT, from what I’ve seen, the EU regs are pretty broadly applicable, and there’s no reason to think those Mastodon servers will be exempt, so yes, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if those Mastodon servers ARE going to be in trouble.If the EU decides to enforce the regs against them, that is.I also do see Mastodon server operators posting to this platform that they expect to be in trouble, so there’s that.
(DIR) Post #AXkwDzh0OHuFBB3LVo by volkris@qoto.org
2023-07-16T15:30:22Z
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@johnHere’s an example of a server operator worrying about EU compliance, just a post I saw today.https://one.darnell.one/@darnell/110724031139591497