Post AXW4PWpUMZD15ptGsK by josemanuel@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #AXVrV0EXAVBOKcswcq by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T08:57:36Z
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it looks like it's fairly bad value for money to pay for any CPU with a PassMark score above 20k at the moment.just about any CPU i buy now will be a massive improvement over what i have, because my i7-6700K only has a meagre PassMark score of 8951.the requisite motherboard upgrade has other benefits too, such as more modern I/O ports. i'm starting to see a lot of devices that simply expect USB-C to be available.
(DIR) Post #AXVsKtSxZfCuOxNOF6 by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T09:06:59Z
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wow, the most popular CPUs on the market are *very* bad value for money.twice as fast as the best value, but four times as expensive.that means i could get the same performance for half the price if they just stuck two of them on the same motherboard.
(DIR) Post #AXVsXsyghVu4eTPaxU by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T09:09:20Z
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i'm wondering if the popular ones are "the middle way" because i know you can pay insane prices for the very top models.i just think 5-6000 NOK is a bit much for a CPU. it's a fucking chip.
(DIR) Post #AXVstPyrC0Gx5al54C by ivesen@miniwa.moe
2023-07-09T09:13:12.660598Z
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@lore are any of the x3d cpu's on there?
(DIR) Post #AXVsvKSigGH0YNdazo by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T09:13:34Z
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the most expensive chips i'm finding are the price of a second-hand car, and they're probably not *that* much faster. you're just looking at diminishing returns and they're just pricing them according to how rarely they are binned.
(DIR) Post #AXVuMHVZs4TZAIOFcm by josemanuel@qoto.org
2023-07-09T09:29:39Z
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@lore And you’ve spent these last few days complaining? Mine has a score of 3213 and I don’t have plans (or need) to replace it yet.
(DIR) Post #AXVuPrEZV4mUpq8nwG by josemanuel@qoto.org
2023-07-09T09:30:18Z
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@lore Just kidding, of course, but sheesh.
(DIR) Post #AXVwFjdV5teOHc6Oy8 by lxsameer@social.lxsameer.com
2023-07-09T09:50:51Z
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@lore Depends on your workload, My Ryzen 7950x is quite pricy, but I can't live without it.
(DIR) Post #AXVxFgOlER7CCBkMl6 by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T10:02:03Z
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@ivesen i don't know: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html
(DIR) Post #AXVyBvAQToF2nPoPFQ by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T10:12:34Z
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@josemanuel it's because i do CPU intensive stuff at times. most of my bitching and moaning have been over other things than video rendering speeds. but when it comes to those, the switchover from HD to 4K has been happening. to get the same frame rate on rendering/encoding aa before, 4X the horsepower is needed. when i bought that machine some 7 years ago, it was considered pretty decent. i render at 15 FPS now, which means that a 15 minute video takes 1 hour to render. and video editors feel very laggy to use. i'm just getting a lot of dropouts on stuff in general because it's so taxing on system resources.
(DIR) Post #AXVyPEgXDx7t5uBCKm by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T10:15:00Z
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@josemanuel i'm also not sure i have the right combo of GPU and editing software to help accelerate this. these kinds of tasks are ideally performed on something with workstation-level performance, but that's very expensive.
(DIR) Post #AXVyxCz83FLdfR4mhc by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T10:21:07Z
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@lxsameer i do some editing and rendering but it's not my source of income. i'm mainly thinking i'm due for an upgrade after 7 years. after the switchover to 4K, everything i do with video is suddenly 4 times slower because there are 4X the pixels to crunch.
(DIR) Post #AXVzIZYLL6DJk3jbPM by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T10:25:00Z
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@josemanuel anyway, if you were buying a brand new system today, a PassMark score of 20k would be pretty unremarkable.
(DIR) Post #AXVzLSvaQaAI3yzBzM by lxsameer@social.lxsameer.com
2023-07-09T10:25:30Z
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@lore I see what you mean. I constantly compile big libraries and I needed a fast cpu to reduce the compile time. I'm pretty happy with my choice, to be honest. Even though, it was pretty pricy
(DIR) Post #AXW278osgzHPVVi8IK by josemanuel@qoto.org
2023-07-09T10:56:33Z
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@lore Yeah, I know, and I don’t mind your bitching. I just saw your post and wondered what my own score would be. I was surprised it was so low, because, with the exception of compilations and watching HD videos sometimes, I’ve never noticed my computer struggling.
(DIR) Post #AXW2I98Hrw2FfC2GEC by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T10:58:32Z
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@josemanuel yeah, if it's struggling with HD playback somtimes, that means that a very everyday task is pushing it to its limits. so it's pretty slow. it would probably be very laggy with a 4K monitor attached. my MacBook Pro suffered heat death because it just wasn't designed to drive such a high resolution display.
(DIR) Post #AXW2X8jHeOcmkxUQN6 by josemanuel@qoto.org
2023-07-09T11:01:15Z
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@lore You probably have thought about this, but I would recommend recompiling those programs to target your machine architecture. I don’t believe it makes a huge difference, but sometimes it’s noticeable, especially in video applications. I do that with ffmpeg and MPlayer and I think it’s worth it. I’ve never tried with Kdenlive, though, because I don’t use it.
(DIR) Post #AXW2YjdhuBzJWKdrvM by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:01:33Z
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@josemanuel my current system is absolutely fine though. it's the aforementioned CPU plus a video card what was considered pretty decent 7 years ago and it can handle 4K just fine. the dinky little integrated GPU on the MBP was hopelessly underpowered and would heat up and since the heatsink is shared on a laptop, this caused the CPU to thermal throttle, and the whole system would slow down. just from driving a monitor.
(DIR) Post #AXW2gOMQu1PHqJDHRg by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:02:55Z
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@josemanuel soon enough you're recompiling everything and hello Gentoo 🤣
(DIR) Post #AXW2nCFyIuz2KTR4xk by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:04:09Z
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@josemanuel having apps automatically recompile themselves in the background while the computer is idle would be nice. that's something you could actually do with FOSS.
(DIR) Post #AXW2zr6CHMb8TTtrDE by josemanuel@qoto.org
2023-07-09T11:06:26Z
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@lore That’s basically what we slackers do with SlackBuilds.
(DIR) Post #AXW379h1XscuAabeMq by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:07:45Z
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@josemanuel ah, Slackware was my first distribution, back in 1997-1998. officially speaking, it had a package manager, but it didn't exactly get used much, so you were compiling from source a lot. then i discovered Debian.
(DIR) Post #AXW3mNNvXm56VXKUSm by josemanuel@qoto.org
2023-07-09T11:15:13Z
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@lore I once tried to use Debian, probably in 2000, and it was the only distro that I could not even install due to how difficult it was to do so. I’ve felt an antipathy towards it and its derivatives since then.
(DIR) Post #AXW3zFUwB7qXoMkMBE by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:17:32Z
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@josemanuel i think i may have still been using Slack in 2000. i think i tried it a few years later. it was a pretty uncomplicated affair for me at the time. everything just seemed less time consuming to install or remove, and more or less worked out of the box. i never looked back.
(DIR) Post #AXW49ywa4C5defnK5o by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:19:28Z
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@josemanuel so, in my personal narrative, Slack was like Linux 101. this is how it works when you have to DIY a lot, and that was educational, but now i have to run servers with this and do it as a job, and stuff needs to be more automated, etc.
(DIR) Post #AXW4EwWgU0NpbY2zUO by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:20:22Z
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@josemanuel the way i learned of Debian was that this almost mythological local IT wizard said he used it. and the local ISP was using it. so it seemed like a distro for serious users.
(DIR) Post #AXW4PWpUMZD15ptGsK by josemanuel@qoto.org
2023-07-09T11:22:17Z
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@lore Interestingly, I’ve run servers with Slackware and never had that kind of issues. While very few things were automated, everything seemed to work out of the box. What is your experience running servers? Maybe your use case is different from what mine was.
(DIR) Post #AXW4UGJPCaEdJT8ngW by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:23:08Z
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@josemanuel it wasn't like today where you have millions of opinions and everything's subjective. i mean, all the opinions were out there but not as easy to come across as now. also, more life experience. i was learning all of this in my teens and you look for clear answers when you're a beginner.
(DIR) Post #AXW4zJaJ5IYWRKqymm by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:28:45Z
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@josemanuel i'm sure Slackware could do more than i knew about at the time, and that it, like everything else, has changed and renewed itself. but at that time, in that place, Debian felt right. and i don't appear to be very alone in that. it's hard to find a cloud server provider these days that doesn't offer either Debian or Ubuntu. and i'm mostly on Ubuntu these days. using something that's so mainstream has made the ride smoother.
(DIR) Post #AXW5JZDif2mUizwfxI by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:32:24Z
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@josemanuel when i left the world of Slack, i'm not sure it had a system for updating packages from remote repositories in place. Debian very much had that, and what seemed to me like a much more powerful package manager, with more packages than Slackware had at the time.
(DIR) Post #AXW5UlwNhurxMUB8vA by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:34:25Z
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@josemanuel Slackware's package manager at the time felt more like an afterthought than what the entire system revolved around. everything about packaging seemed more elaborately done with Debian. my perception is that this was a bit of a speciality of Debian at the time.
(DIR) Post #AXW5q6rr62LuLZEi2q by lore@berserker.town
2023-07-09T11:38:17Z
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@josemanuel now we are seeing some disruption to that model with stuff like Snap, Flatpak, AppImage, etc, and also the emergence of immutable distributions. apparently, package managers as we know them are slowly going out of fashion.