Post AXOMdHojcG3PCmEFSi by demvoter@masto.ai
(DIR) More posts by demvoter@masto.ai
(DIR) Post #AXOHVp7HQYauOQWdBQ by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:11:11Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
The results are in around the #Meta / #Threads poll I put out a week ago and over 8.2K people have voted, thank you all❤️The recent App Store screenshots from the 'App Privacy' from Meta's new app Threads have concerned me and with the current status the question remains if it's even allowed within EuropeThe chance that they will ever federate with us remains the question but with their current platform as-is we are gonna block them until many things improvedPoll:https://mstdn.social/@stux/110622583732793662
(DIR) Post #AXOHiNkAVfyXGKhfoO by writeblankspace@fosstodon.org
2023-07-05T17:13:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux honestly who's to say they wont't collect our data too (the instances who federate with them). Just as well.
(DIR) Post #AXOHlzco7nBTcMyxRA by AndyGER@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T17:13:47Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Hmm, could the user for itself decide wether he or she wants to block #meta somehow or not? ...
(DIR) Post #AXOHnGovg4oxEqGFnc by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:13:16Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
Keep in mind that the privacy settings from the Threads app you see on the screenshot only applies on THEIR platformBut I cannot be fully sure to what extend their data collection goes as far as search results for exampleUntil we have a better picture of how their new platform is gonna run in somewhat more details we can make a better decision
(DIR) Post #AXOHrFpVIr2lK9QhUG by matts@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:15:07Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Many of us were sold that the fediverse is like email. Imagine if a email service blocked emailing gmail because of privacy concerns. This seems like the wrong play to me.
(DIR) Post #AXOHt4J971IqAW9xEu by heurism@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:15:24Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux thanks for all your hard work researching this. And thank you for looking out for us.
(DIR) Post #AXOI6slQpQY6Q7ydAe by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:17:55Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@matts It is only for now, the chance is there they will want to release in Europe, and if that happens we're gonna take another look
(DIR) Post #AXOI8pM6TLBWQc3bzU by samhainnight@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:18:21Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I saw a post today that said that the EU wasn't going to allow Threads.
(DIR) Post #AXOIA2vTVF2go2BQ2K by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:18:30Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@AndyGER Ofc it could!But we are also located in the EU and im not comftable with content from a not allowed platform on ours
(DIR) Post #AXOICSRta2VcXjUuky by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:18:53Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@samhainnight In that case it would be very difficult for us also since we are also in Europe
(DIR) Post #AXOIDfwIuOOeflIl4C by andy@tecnfy.com
2023-07-05T17:18:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stuxAre you sure that bots did not manipulate the voting 🙃
(DIR) Post #AXOIGCuHJ93xUwYrCq by joshgammon@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:19:14Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Deeply disappointed in this decision.
(DIR) Post #AXOIIaVwVTXHIKJVp2 by AHU4y5aWnraB3XHz0a.mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art
2023-07-05T17:18:54Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Woman reading #Threads privacy policy...
(DIR) Post #AXOILSHvY05aeP7pgm by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:20:33Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@joshgammon Its temprary, if they are not allowed in the EU, we cannot host their content on our server I thinkIf they can run in the EU we're gonna take another look
(DIR) Post #AXOIfcfYezigdfnM48 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:24:12Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
When / IF #Threads will release within Europe we will take another look and make a decision but until that happens we will keep the blockSince we are hosted in Europe I'm not sure it would be clever to federate with a platform that is not allowed in the EU
(DIR) Post #AXOInVoK2oHlgSel7I by fonecokid@c.im
2023-07-05T17:25:41Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux :bd94:
(DIR) Post #AXOIrnK2sW7T9aXKr2 by trinsec@qoto.org
2023-07-05T17:26:19Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Actually, it is kinda the other way around. I'm not sure it would be clever for Meta to be federating with EU platforms. You can harm it more than they can harm you if you play it right. ;)
(DIR) Post #AXOIsX3epmLL05DthI by codybrom@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:26:36Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I appreciate your pragmatic view of things. I don't know all the Admin options regarding federation, but if Threads is allowed to launch in the EU is there a way where only users who want to interact with Threads can be allowed to? Kind of like how unlisted/followers only posts but with federation?
(DIR) Post #AXOIv3EiAPsTNXavaK by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:27:01Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@trinsec Haha yup! But i dont wanna take the risk
(DIR) Post #AXOIwG7BlnQLbveTlw by trinsec@qoto.org
2023-07-05T17:27:15Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Fair enough!
(DIR) Post #AXOJ06muOED9qF09qK by Twitter_expat@mastodon.world
2023-07-05T17:27:54Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux It's the correct decision. In the end it will help expand the plurality of the #fediverse which in the end is its strength. If people complain is also good, when there is a complain to leave or stop paying it makes them more engage with what the fediverse is. So in all it's the correct decision.
(DIR) Post #AXOJ0wIYsIplbBCelE by matts@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:28:02Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux being in the U.S. and wanting to connect with a lot of U.S. colleagues that will probably use threads will mean that I may need to change servers then. Which is unfortunate because I really like how you've managed the admin of mstdn.social.
(DIR) Post #AXOJ9ZyDGB2SxHnySW by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:29:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@matts First it's the question with what instances they will federate 😉
(DIR) Post #AXOJBVOZExpNLU3CYi by Alex0007@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:29:51Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Is mstdn.social allowed in EU? Where i can validate this?
(DIR) Post #AXOJFXgGgWX3amFrrE by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:30:27Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Alex0007 We check the boxes :cat_hug_triangle:
(DIR) Post #AXOJdbzKK0IVtwe9ho by MissingThePt@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T17:35:02Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux https://mastodon.social/@MissingThePt/110661657589769773
(DIR) Post #AXOJf2S5PnagGcmMka by Alex0007@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:35:21Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I have stopped monthly subscription (https://mstdn.social/@Alex0007/110654382105538196)It lasted one day lol, until you have decided for us that we don't want to federate. This is sad, i really liked this instance, now i need to think about migration.As Russian war emigrant i really hate those walls people are building because of their fear
(DIR) Post #AXOJh0Z3P7eczYyeY4 by diessoli@skeptics.social
2023-07-05T17:35:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Silly question maybe, but what domain(s) are you actually blocking? The above sounds like a block is already in place, but I don't think it is know how Meta is going into the Fediverse, or is it?
(DIR) Post #AXOJoDVzeVo1BVz1Ky by Nigma@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T17:36:48Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Mastodonians are so funny. Why would you ever wholesale, admin-block another instance unless it was like, illegal or hateful? It takes like 10 seconds for individual users to block an instance themselves, why would you take that choice away from them?I feel like the whole point of Mastodon is federation and if people are gonna pearlclutch every new instance they're better off on twitter.
(DIR) Post #AXOJotE2ZeOuXzuHBY by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:36:53Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Alex0007 I get that :cat_hug_triangle: But it's not fear but logics I am personally responsible for all content on my servers (also federated that you can see) and until they are allowed here we dont take the risk
(DIR) Post #AXOJrWNvx0AMZsmyjg by philippmichelreichold@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-07-05T17:37:32Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux 🤔 😜
(DIR) Post #AXOJsUMEyQSka0STQW by NorCal_Lynne@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:37:48Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you for the clarification. So, if they can get their s#it together and pass EU regulations, you will revisit the decision. I don’t want to move, I guess it’s a wait and see for awhile.
(DIR) Post #AXOK2iwfamJYiaNWEK by MagentaRocks@mastodon.coffee
2023-07-05T17:39:26Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AXOK9ekpZYLJkO98TY by Alex0007@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:40:51Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Then treat their content as usual, while it is not breaking rules/laws. Delay with EU launch obviously not related with content, but GDPR, i think. Which is not related to mstdn instance at all
(DIR) Post #AXOKBdWZ7J14VlPyoi by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:41:14Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@NorCal_Lynne Correct! :cat_hug_triangle:
(DIR) Post #AXOKIZZGE2feGdzCiW by junesim63@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:42:27Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux loving the reply guys who clearly haven't read your whole thread.
(DIR) Post #AXOKRk1aiSpPIzbqjY by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:43:53Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@evelyn Correct but we do keep federated data and media on our servers, thats how Mastodon works so basically thats not allowed
(DIR) Post #AXOKT7bKXqvCiRz5k0 by demvoter@masto.ai
2023-07-05T17:43:56Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux poor decision. I will move instances because of this.
(DIR) Post #AXOKV5XfAiTiuPCsxk by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:44:14Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@demvoter you are free to
(DIR) Post #AXOKeauNvBcwnRMqeW by annanic@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:46:28Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Well, I'm not sure that's the best decision so early. I'd rather wait a bit. But I won't complain, it's your instance, you're free to make the rules and I haven't even donated any money to you yet. But could be I'll be switching, depending on who's going to be on threads. If it gets used by more professionals actively I'd like to be able to interact with them.
(DIR) Post #AXOLeArYrFxPyJPVK4 by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T17:57:34Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Have you seen this thread? The app privacy flags you might have been reported are not what they look like and have been widely misrepresented.https://mastodon.delroth.net/@delroth/110653703937022194
(DIR) Post #AXOLms6lxNOCPZflMe by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T17:59:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
This is not about me trying to take away the choice for a user-level instance block but rather a more legal reasonAgain, IF Meta/Threads where to federate with us their posts, users and media would end up on our servers(as a copy). And since we know they are not allowed within Europe yet I am not willing to take that risk and host their content! ⚠️ When the moment comes and they do release in Europe we will lift the block and let you decide for yourself!This is about protecting the instance
(DIR) Post #AXOM3q7WbJ4TAY7Dai by simon_lucy@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T18:01:37Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Send like a good Risk Assessment.
(DIR) Post #AXOM5l8i5fj8IgaLSa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-05T18:02:40Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Hate to break it to you, but that issue applies to all federation, not just meta. There are countless servers that exist exclusively in the USA.. That said I support whatever decision you make re: blocking meta... as long as your transparent to your users they can pick whatever server they want.. if they want to talk to their friends and family they will just move servers, no biggie.That said I think the legal reason doesnt add up, its more ideological, but thats ok!
(DIR) Post #AXOMBAhMUTUp1ANFTs by codybrom@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:02:34Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you for the clarity Stux. I really appreciate how much you do for this community.
(DIR) Post #AXOMCHVMfZtkPwI8rQ by peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv
2023-07-05T18:03:07Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux yeah, this actually raises big questions about federarion legal practicalities.
(DIR) Post #AXOMCxyuk6UU9kRKka by Iarcini@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:03:28Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux :ablobcatgooglymlemjumping:
(DIR) Post #AXOMFVFg10BZvCURAu by tiamat271@mastodon.online
2023-07-05T18:03:29Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you, this explanation makes a lot of sense. I’m not even on your server but appreciate understanding the legal complexities. 👍
(DIR) Post #AXOMJeC0iOxSoFkddo by trinsec@qoto.org
2023-07-05T18:05:03Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux You sure about that? Their content is allowed there, it's just that their data scraping isn't allowed here and their app is full of data scraping.
(DIR) Post #AXOMMSRcqopvF4OZ8a by Grutjes@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:05:32Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I'm very thankful for the block.Your last two toots seem to contradict eachother, that's a bit confusing?
(DIR) Post #AXOMQ1uJSS6862W62C by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:05:56Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@freemo Haha yeah indeed thats why the blocks :blobcatgiggle: I will keep an open mind ofc, but i really really need at least the min EU req from them :blobcathearts:
(DIR) Post #AXOMUsvSHKrPgkMl6W by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:07:03Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Grutjes Im unsure on that subject :ablobwink: It would be logical there could be consequences if things where to happen as-is but i cannot say for sure
(DIR) Post #AXOMY1j80prjqz6ASm by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-05T18:07:47Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Well I dont think anyone will be shocked if Threads winds up completely abusing privacy rights.... so yea...
(DIR) Post #AXOMaHzGWnxYrZj23M by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:08:02Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@trinsec Federated stuff will also be saved on our servers and media will be storedIm not sure about the legal stance on that but I don't wanna take the risk as long as they cannot even make the EU rules 😉 That is my minimal requirement of them
(DIR) Post #AXOMdH0OdPmugeg304 by pre@boing.world
2023-07-05T18:03:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@demvoter @stux Wouldn't rush to do it. Unlikely Threads will federate at all until the autumn, and even then seems likely it'll be with a small whitelist of allowed servers.Might as well stay where you are until we learn which ones they will actually interact with.I think a lot of people will be moving instances. Probably more of them away from Facebook-federated ones than towards.But as I say. No point till the autumn anyway.
(DIR) Post #AXOMdHojcG3PCmEFSi by demvoter@masto.ai
2023-07-05T18:05:40Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pre @stux I am not interested in being on an instance where the admin thinks preblocking is acceptable.
(DIR) Post #AXOMdIPbPBXp37TgvY by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:08:33Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@demvoter @pre Feel free to move to another uhh "free" instance or even betterSetup your own! :fediverse:
(DIR) Post #AXOMmaf6vACOG1AD4K by drahardja@sfba.social
2023-07-05T18:10:19Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux A wise choice.
(DIR) Post #AXOMuTg4lyWgucNNxo by 16BitYeti@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:11:43Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux 100% understand this. Meta has a history of questionable practices. After seeing things like the revenue Facebook lost after Apple decided to make iOS more secure, Meta needs to be either blocked out or on a short leash. For the sake of security alone this is definitely something that should be done from the start.
(DIR) Post #AXON1Eti7hOZ6Eygt6 by trinsec@qoto.org
2023-07-05T18:12:59Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Federated stuff saved on your servers is not problematic at all (unless it breaks your local laws like kiddie porn and other awful stuff).At worst maybe you break some American rule about data storage, but eh. We're likely way past that point anyway.You're free to block Meta of course, but your reasoning sounds a bit flawed to me which is actually helluva confusing.Meta is too lazy to make their app GDPR-compliant, which is why that isn't allowed. But them federating should be a seperate thing.
(DIR) Post #AXONDY3KjLSBz2LeJk by FallsMom@mastodon.coffee
2023-07-05T18:15:11Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you Stux for being open about this issue.
(DIR) Post #AXONTTOjnw28BExBD6 by ElleGray@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:18:03Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux stux, mainly what I want to know is if meta or threads "join" this place, will they have access to my posts even if I do not follow or interact with anyone from there?
(DIR) Post #AXONW7sAI91CHzyzqa by zulutoo@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T18:18:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux very good philosophy “hurry slowly” 😂
(DIR) Post #AXONknPwcr9PBzmJCS by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:21:09Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@ElleGray They will not :ablobwink: And if the times comes when and if the instance level blocks gets removed i will announce this so everyone can block them on user-level whoever that wants so the posts will still not be available
(DIR) Post #AXONmacBCFtM45M9BI by Roelant@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T18:21:38Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@freemo @stux Came here to say something similar: the risk is actually bigger the other way around.With how federation works, Stux is legally the responsible processor *exporting* data under #gdpr and needs to make an assessment if that’s ok.With regular instances data usage is known and can likely be considered safe and within legal limits. With threads (especially given Meta themselves concluded it’s illegal in EU for now) that’s not something I’d lightly assume.
(DIR) Post #AXOO2dxWWxB14Pzk5g by WillyECoyote69@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:24:19Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux @ElleGray Or blocking a complete instance ... though ?
(DIR) Post #AXOOPokmYxpDD25MEi by sepfeiffer@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:28:37Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Wise young man.
(DIR) Post #AXOOtPfaO8ze6IlcOm by matts@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:34:01Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux interesting I guess we have no details on that yet?
(DIR) Post #AXOPesFRx5lYLUAnke by ArtseaGardener@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:42:10Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux thanks for your transparency!I chose to come to an EU hosted server for just this reason. US laws are always tilted in the direction of corporate profits to the detriment of our citizens. Your side of the Atlantic isn't perfect but at least there is an acknowledgment of the possibility of malfeasance. I am happy to see this interim decision. Personally I will never follow anyone from Threads after seeing the damage that Cambridge Analytica et all have unleased on my country.
(DIR) Post #AXOPgCJAr3T4qmXvwO by runarcn@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:42:47Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I think it would be better to leave it to a poll for the mstdn.social users.
(DIR) Post #AXOPhFx8n13kRYkGlE by daihard@social.ridetrans.it
2023-07-05T18:40:55Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I agree with your assessment and decision, but it leads me to wonder if a similar problem may arise with other servers that have been around on the Fediverse? I mean, is it just Meta that poses this risk?
(DIR) Post #AXOPwDcJkxnvXi8k8u by rmdes@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T18:45:42Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux federations is not active yet. you can't yet peek @netflix@threads.net from anywhere on the fedi. Until you can read a profile from here, #threads is just a silo and this EU consideration does not stand, since no data will flow magically from threads to here. right ?
(DIR) Post #AXOQcJkNM74AiVz23s by compuguy@istoleyour.pw
2023-07-05T18:53:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I've honestly not though about how GDPR and federation with a non-EU server legally works out in the first place. Throwing Meta Threads into the picture makes it *more* complicated....
(DIR) Post #AXOQzefRjvuCGFo1lw by compuguy@istoleyour.pw
2023-07-05T18:57:34Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@freemo @stux I'm wondering the same exact thing. My instance is US based in a AWS US region. I've honestly not thought about the new EU data protection law or GDPR factors into federation....🤔
(DIR) Post #AXORPks9IDSB2CC1Cq by ASP@masto.ai
2023-07-05T19:01:42Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Hi! I assume you will apply the same strategy for all of your other instances like masto.ai?!
(DIR) Post #AXOS28ouhh1IJMz2ae by wonkothesane@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T19:09:07Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux @ElleGray Really they already dohttps://blog.bloonface.com/2023/07/04/the-fediverse-is-a-privacy-nightmare/?utm_source=pocket_reader
(DIR) Post #AXOUPaklDPiLVrLoLQ by filmfreak75@mastodon.cloud
2023-07-05T19:35:35Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux i'm just curious, do you know what the legal implications could be to federate if the EU does not give consent? law nerd here and not in the EU so why i ask. personally think your approach seems reasonable to me.
(DIR) Post #AXOUTZFmjUhS1Jl3r6 by TopKnot@mas.to
2023-07-05T19:36:24Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I have no opinion on this because I'm too ignorant about the issue to give an educated answer. Is it possible many others are in the same situation?
(DIR) Post #AXOUfPKnRCq2jPkQZU by Blackbuck@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T19:38:41Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I appreciate the preemptive block, really, and I thank you very much.I think fedi will be a shitstorm, and later I am sure this will turn out to be a good decision.If it ever arrives in EU, we will have time to consider how the fediverse is gonna fare, and I hope the block will stay on forever, no matter what.I really don't want to move, and I really want nothing to do with the likes of meta.For what it's worth said from me, but thanks for listening.
(DIR) Post #AXOVS6zcQ6KU2H49qK by condalmo@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T19:47:16Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you for blocking them.
(DIR) Post #AXOW4aj8JkrVG5hgPI by jar2eau@masto.ai
2023-07-05T19:54:22Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Is there a thread that explain more technically how federation between instance works ? Because I feel like a lot of fear about #Meta and #privacy are based on lack of knowledge.I mean, what privacy do you have on Mastodon that federating with them will harm ? I could literally build a bot that will scrap instance content without even being on the said instance. So on THAT point I don't see where is the problem :blobcatlook:
(DIR) Post #AXOWMmA2Xr1pvtxaJU by 7ynth@mas.to
2023-07-05T19:57:42Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux @AndyGER Is there an official source for threads currently not being allowed by the EU?
(DIR) Post #AXOWY95pclYqF0Pg8G by ASP@masto.ai
2023-07-05T19:58:30Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I take that as a yes 😄
(DIR) Post #AXOWY9nmzKisRKymeG by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T19:59:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@ASP sorry! :blobcatgiggle: yes!
(DIR) Post #AXOWjX20xi05fc3bCS by ElleGray@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T20:01:50Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux ok, thank you. That was really my only concern on a personal level. 🙂
(DIR) Post #AXOXDr1JD2V0LqBa6q by Grutjes@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T20:07:20Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Please don't promise people to lift the block then, so you're not cornered and you can discuss and think things over by then.(...Also: It seems a bit futile to block them only when they are not allowed to join by law...)I do admire your calm openess in the discussion by the way. ❤️
(DIR) Post #AXOY3keC9G5be27Yqu by skirtreter187@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T20:16:36Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux thank you!!! Grateful that you were putting so much thought into it and wanted to put your best foot forward with Facebook, but this is likely for the best
(DIR) Post #AXOYlYN59SCUJT0FFo by artisanrox@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T20:24:34Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux GOOD JOB STUXIE!! 🥳This is the way! 🥳🥳❤️Now tell Eugen!
(DIR) Post #AXOZailYGQWLJuqZmK by bacon@cheeseburger.social
2023-07-05T20:33:51Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I feel like the responsibility of keeping there data out of Europe would fall onto them (Meta) and not the instances in Europe. That would be like me standing at the US boarder and listening to a radio station from Canada that's not supposed to broadcast into the US. Just because I can hear their broadcast doesn't mean I'm willing or knowingly participating in their crime. I'm simply tuning into a station and it's picking up an illegal broadcast. My opinion would be that they (Meta) should be fined for every instance in Europe that their data gets spread to. They could easily apply IP blocks and things to keep there data under control.
(DIR) Post #AXOaFvYnbFSKsFWy7k by msteenhagen@provo.lol
2023-07-05T20:41:10Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Good decision, I think. Better to err on the side of caution, also with an eye on privacy and data-protection of the many thousands of people you're hosting. ❤️
(DIR) Post #AXObohsQZAFgWcrMjA by MissingThePt@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T20:58:40Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux https://mastodon.social/@MissingThePt/110663426952144363
(DIR) Post #AXOcBCOBnpwtWoRPlo by lillyfinch@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T21:02:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux thanks
(DIR) Post #AXOcgCTdWgKCmHlu6K by iuculano@masto.ai
2023-07-05T21:08:26Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Excellent decision, stux, much appreciated. Thank you so much for having taken the time to seek our input and making us aware of your decision and how you arrived to your conclusion. Once again, very much appreciated
(DIR) Post #AXOdCT6nE40lctTPns by marval@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T21:14:13Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I am here because I don't want to be on Meta. I had enough with corporations stealing my data. Also:
(DIR) Post #AXOdoUtt0olmBhZP3g by Softwaremerc@mastodon.coffee
2023-07-05T21:21:07Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AXOiH3kXR8juCC4YaW by curiouscatastrophe@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T22:11:11Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you very much! I'm sure you'd be getting flak either way, but I sure appreciate this decision. Lots of pathological optimists in the crowd, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
(DIR) Post #AXOijrFmyXLvq1QDcO by stevepaulson@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T22:16:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Curious whether these voters were all users from your servers or also included others?If some were from other servers what was the vote from the servers you operate?
(DIR) Post #AXOkdMiNnxqRIJpQ6C by stevepaulson@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T22:37:33Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux is this some entity in Europe not allowing the service or FB/Instagram not releasing it? Seems that those would be different things.Also, you have many US based users who follow many users living on US based Mastodon servers. How is hosting the related content different?
(DIR) Post #AXOnMaDIfD906DykIy by MasterDim@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T23:08:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
Thanks @stux - I appreciate your efforts and open engagement with us all on the issue
(DIR) Post #AXOq0Eq5kgkXIe9zO4 by Flax_Vert@mastodonapp.uk
2023-07-05T23:37:33Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux anything you post on here is public anyway. Defederating from threads will only encourage their walled garden and bring people towards threads instead of using alternatives and will make them drop support
(DIR) Post #AXOqVosbnuAk3SOe9I by infosec_jcp@infosec.exchange
2023-07-05T23:43:21Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Well, they do say that it's not a whole #activitypub stack.. yet.TLDR: #ActivityPub Support... 'to be added at a later' ☜ (↼_↼)"We weren’t able to finish it for launch given a number of complications that come along with a decentralized network, but it’s coming,” Citation: 👇https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/05/adam-mosseri-says-metas-threads-app-wont-have-activitypub-support-at-launch/
(DIR) Post #AXOy8mwlcjJ325s1p2 by tip@mastodon.online
2023-07-06T01:08:38Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux"And since we know they are not allowed within Europe"I had not thought about this and if it really is an issue then it could be trouble for admins with an instance located in any country with content restrictions.
(DIR) Post #AXOyEwlI2r6TD7RFy4 by SusanKraemer@newsie.social
2023-07-06T00:50:33Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux 1 more NO! here. The entire point here is that it is billionaire-proof by being federated.
(DIR) Post #AXP2jkvaUcNZInCYuu by anselmschueler@ieji.de
2023-07-06T02:00:19Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux This is a flawed poll. It should either clarify “(but maybe federate later” or have a separate option for “always defederate”, as I'm sure that's what many people understood or intended.
(DIR) Post #AXP5wPcfJemyqu4rx2 by CatHerder@mastodon.scot
2023-07-06T02:36:19Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you. Zuck's products poison minds.
(DIR) Post #AXP7wtxmi5aCrPJiOe by VickieGray@infosec.exchange
2023-07-06T02:58:51Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Makes sense. Also, yay!
(DIR) Post #AXPGav2SvinJPe6D5c by ricardoharvin@mstdn.social
2023-07-06T04:35:47Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Great news!! Thanks @stux for taking the cautious route.If they do ever prove they're trustworthy, then federation can be considered.
(DIR) Post #AXPI6xFULfINUJ1vnM by luthien1126@mstdn.social
2023-07-06T04:52:41Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Thank you for taking time to explain. Much appreciated!
(DIR) Post #AXPII4ft50nthhgF6G by ChrisCPS@mstdn.social
2023-07-06T04:54:44Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux ❤️
(DIR) Post #AXPKzHTxXM9VmopbJA by SusanneAmman@troet.cafe
2023-07-06T05:24:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Does this also count for pixey?
(DIR) Post #AXPVRnwvPwDE8DcTj6 by samko@fosstodon.org
2023-07-06T07:22:05Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux not surprising. With the history meta has, keeping away from them is just for the good
(DIR) Post #AXPVzEksm7JspAvdGC by fizzixrat@mstdn.social
2023-07-06T07:28:10Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I missed the vote but am solidly on the No side. I don’t want anything to do with anything that Meta has its filthy paws on.
(DIR) Post #AXPX5uxsqxkTQXl8gS by manvanaarde@mastodon.online
2023-07-06T07:40:25Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Since they are not federating (yet), at this point it's all a storm in a glass of water, as we say. A non-issue.
(DIR) Post #AXQ4J6WwSfTfY53LjE by MimzyDub@mstdn.ca
2023-07-06T13:52:42Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I don't plan on trying it out, at least not at first. I like to wait a while for most things like this.
(DIR) Post #AXW2BIYURBT2rO1gZ6 by folkerschamel@mastodon.social
2023-07-09T10:57:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I think this is a technical misunderstanding about the #meta #gdpr problems and how #activitypub works.The #meta #gdpr problems stem from the private data collected by the app and shared between different services (e.g. from/to #Instagram) which #gdpr does not allow without user consent. But this has nothing to do with the data shared via #activitypub (at least not that I'm aware of so far). Data shared via #activitypub is already public information, not related to any privacy issues.
(DIR) Post #AXW2tdjB52QNGbAXNg by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-09T11:05:10Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@folkerschamel Correct 😉 But if we federate, we do end up with their data in our database. And I'm not 100% sure on that so better not take the riskBut indeed, yoyure totally right! The app is currently "forbidden"
(DIR) Post #AXW3AMjjVQ2HUcP7ia by folkerschamel@mastodon.social
2023-07-09T11:08:14Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Not all "their data", but only their public data which is already public and they intentionally share.