Post AXHpopClMLuiVKbPtI by chriscochrun@mastodon.online
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 (DIR) Post #AXHnyYQGPVvjRVQen2 by daviwil@fosstodon.org
       2023-07-02T10:59:10Z
       
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       I like to think of Lisps as human-scale development platforms.Because of the amount of power one person can wield using the tools provided by the language, you often don't need multiple developers to build a project to meet a specific need.Obviously there are much larger projects like GNU Guix which need *many* developers, but I'd argue that most things an individual needs could just be simple self-authored programs.Lisps enable greater computing freedom by maximizing personal agency.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHnyZDtQzd3vQeI9A by ringtailringo@mastodon.social
       2023-07-02T14:04:51Z
       
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       @daviwil Unpopular opinion: there are no measurable productivity gains from using a “lisp”.  If lisp programmers would be more productive on a claimed scale (2-3x of average programmer) lisp would run the world, because the economics would be too juicy to ignore. On a large scale even 1.5x would be a huge improvement and advantage.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHnyaB5ssz4t2LZQG by galdor@emacs.ch
       2023-07-02T14:12:09Z
       
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       @ringtailringo @daviwil I'm not trying to join the Lisp hypetrain even though I enjoy Common Lisp, but remember that technical choices in companies have almost never anything to do with productivity or quality.Small companies pick what their developers (usually one of the founders for new tech companies) choose because they like it and they believe it works for what they are doing. When these companies grow, they tend to stick to the same tech because any switch is a huge PITA. In some case they may pivot to help with specific use cases (the usual Ruby/Python → Go for example).Large established companies just use Java, C# or C++ because they want the largest recruitment pool possible and have no interest in niches.No company runs meetings to find out what's the most productive language and use it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHpoiTsMKRXeNYU5o by chriscochrun@mastodon.online
       2023-07-02T14:21:37Z
       
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       @galdor @ringtailringo @daviwil more so,I appearances matter more to many businesses. Fear drives them to often make the safe bet. I do get why you say that tho. Lack of things built on top often make lisp stacks need to implement a lot of their own stuff.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXHpopClMLuiVKbPtI by chriscochrun@mastodon.online
       2023-07-02T14:30:36Z
       
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       @galdor @ringtailringo @daviwil although, arguably the expressiveness and discoverability of lisps mean that it's quite fast to do that.