Post AX9rwvUgVRzIyCIS7k by johnglass@ohai.social
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(DIR) Post #AX9dZxx3nu2oZcj77Q by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:37:50Z
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It still takes a while before Meta(P92) joins the Fediverse and the recent times we have read a lot of things from both sidesPolls are not super reliable nut maybe it will give a better overal picture of what you, the people using these platforms wantThe result will not be the definite outcome for us but I do take it into heavy consider because I love you all very much!"Would YOU want to federate with Meta's new platform?"
(DIR) Post #AX9dinmMzh6Zd9wJXM by hybridhavoc@darkfriend.social
2023-06-28T15:39:24Z
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@stux Is it expected that users on non-mstdn.social instances respond to the poll?
(DIR) Post #AX9dsmHxOHZnu5TGZU by ATellurian@toot.community
2023-06-28T15:41:18Z
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@stux I don't trust zuckerberg or meta but blocking from beginning doesn't seem right.
(DIR) Post #AX9dw4rSnJBwNHeVEm by RufusJCooter@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:41:54Z
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@stux Honestly, I don't know! I don't feel like I have enough information yet - the biggest question marks for me right now are, what's their content moderation policy going to be, and who's going to enforce it?
(DIR) Post #AX9dylthl3DGQaz9Ps by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:42:22Z
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@RufusJCooter Valid questions! And i do not have the anwser ufort
(DIR) Post #AX9e0Qr6xhL5kNZ2Aq by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:42:40Z
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@hybridhavoc Yess, i want a fedi-wide picture
(DIR) Post #AX9e7rwMeySXmAZErg by RufusJCooter@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:44:01Z
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@stux Right! Nobody knows, because they haven't said! Probably because the haven't figured it out yet!
(DIR) Post #AX9eB7gkZ5zhUEocZU by grrrr_shark@supervolcano.angryshark.eu
2023-06-28T15:44:35Z
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@stux I guess I'm finding it hard to answer because my answer is really "Do not want to bother defederating from the get-go, but not excited about them being here, and will probably end up blocking later anyway"
(DIR) Post #AX9eBv3p06Z2byzEps by sysop408@sfba.social
2023-06-28T15:44:43Z
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@stux one important aspect regarding Facebook (at least for US users) is the presence of small businesses. I do marketing for small locally owned businesses such as restaurants and tiny retail stores. These businesses drive local culture and they have a strong Facebook presence.Facebook may be the only viable onramp for them to enter the Fediverse. As a group, they are not tech savvy at all.But if people don't want ANY kind of business on Fediverse, my point is null and I also will fight you to the death that small business is not an important part of our lives.
(DIR) Post #AX9eGnHPMCsJvZfLwO by obviousdwest@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T15:45:39Z
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@stux Is there something we might read about “the proposal“? All I’ve seen is people getting heated. What does it even mean to “join”? They set up an instance; ok. But then what? Will they be cloning FB posts to it? Cloning fediverse posts to FB? Or is all that still within the paranoia cloud?
(DIR) Post #AX9eXYT1gQWYuU5nnc by stuartb@social.teamb.space
2023-06-28T15:48:35Z
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@stux@oliphant There is a reason I walked away from FB and Insta more than a year ago, and they haven't changed in any way that makes me want to go back, nor for them to vote to me.All P92 servers will be blocked, and anyone federating with them will be considered suspect.Especially the bigger instances.
(DIR) Post #AX9eXglkogG4esus6K by Tekchip@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T15:48:41Z
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@stux this is a tough call for sure. There needs to be some consideration that Meta hosting, and managing, a platform is also not the same as the people who might use it.Saying because Meta manages or hosts it it should be right out seems to discount the people who might be inclined to use it.Isn't the point of federation to include everyone up until such time as they're proven to be bad actors? In which case the de-federate button is available. Otherwise why federate in the first place?
(DIR) Post #AX9eahXiOf8lvUmngG by cloudyy@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:49:13Z
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@stux I have somewhat mixed opinions about that, I want to see exactly what are they up to but at the same time I don't thing that's would be a good thing. Probably block latter.
(DIR) Post #AX9eco9om6rZ1Jc47U by ivy@cutie.city
2023-06-28T15:47:57Z
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@obviousdwest @stux since it's all behind NDAs we don't really get any information
(DIR) Post #AX9ecor4BJSRBRqbWy by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:49:36Z
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@ivy @obviousdwest Not allIt is a new social paltform that's text-only(i think) and everyone with a insta account could login on it with SSO or something like that
(DIR) Post #AX9eecYUsj9VcI1M8W by olireiv@zeroes.ca
2023-06-28T15:49:55Z
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@stux Since ActivityPub is opened and as @atomicpoet suspects that will make them lose their monopoly, I'm for the federation.However if Meta blocks other fediverse instances or make it hard for people to move to another instance, I'll block them personally (as a user, I must be able to do this).
(DIR) Post #AX9epbKtktuf1JtbzE by IngeMH20@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T15:51:55Z
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@stux Depends if meta only wants to federate with a couple of big servers I would suggest block.
(DIR) Post #AX9erDTBSdxVZyXdmi by kate7@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:52:13Z
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@stux I'm inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt, but also fine with cutting off someone who proves to be a bad actor.
(DIR) Post #AX9etLC3iOh075XpQ0 by RememberUsAlways@newsie.social
2023-06-28T15:52:33Z
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@stux Facebook/ META can die in a fire to the sound of laughter.
(DIR) Post #AX9exNEW4dChb6cJxQ by mentallyalex@beige.party
2023-06-28T15:53:20Z
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@stux I voted yes, but I want to be clear.I think that the bridging solution is the safest and smartest way forward. For the Federation/DeFederation conversation I really think that both sides have become too personal. Regardless of clandestine meetings or whatever - we *need* to operate from the position of - "Hope for the best, make plans for the worst".Best case scenario - they settle into the Fedi along with others. Sure we can hope for that.But we need to assume that the potential for harm exists. We have to assume that the potential for bad admins exist. We have to assume the potential for #EEE (though I don't believe it works) will be attempted.We need to consider these potentials and design accordingly. There is a risk here, and we need to think through things wholly.
(DIR) Post #AX9ezjBjPrj8GkR9t2 by GivMeCoffee@mastodon.coffee
2023-06-28T15:53:44Z
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@stux while I hate Meta as a company, wouldn’t blocking them be harming the users more than anything? The whole point of the fediverse is that people can connect to and use it however they see fit, whether we agree or not. If a ton of users come in and provide valuable content via Meta then great. If they bring bigotry and offensive content then I’d say block them, keep moderating as we do. If they break our already established rules then we’ll do what’s necessary.
(DIR) Post #AX9f7Xo5cDzhHs6cs4 by surak@mastodon.gnomos.org
2023-06-28T15:55:07Z
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@stux My initial response is NO, fuck them.But I want to see what they are proposing to do.I doubt I'll change my mind but hey, stranger things have happened.
(DIR) Post #AX9fDkqC4JRBRt3F6O by billcipher@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:56:18Z
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@stux I don't know what the impact of Meta's new platform will be on the fedi-verse.You can point me to any reading I can do to catch up on it.I joined this instance run by you, was because I think it makes this a more human experience.
(DIR) Post #AX9fHAn036qinNBgYa by dalias@hachyderm.io
2023-06-28T15:56:55Z
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@stux "Block later" is the worst of all worlds. It tears apart ppl's social graphs and makes you the bad guy. "Block from start, consider unblocking later only if conditions are met and users approve" is the safe compromise option between "block" and "don't block".
(DIR) Post #AX9fLejOfT9MohdjXM by thegibson@hackers.town
2023-06-28T15:57:42Z
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@stux We have preemptively blocked all meta owned domains, and have setup bots to monitor for any newly registered domains from their ASN.We are now considering how to control data leakage from neighboring servers we would like to remain federated with.I am incensed that we even have to have these conversations.
(DIR) Post #AX9fTVDfuq8tdLXmCm by GreenFire@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:59:09Z
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@stux Any indication of how many new posts the instances might be forced to process from the new Meta instance?
(DIR) Post #AX9fkIrj6JiwF1Hxey by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T15:53:58Z
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@stux I wish there was a "No (block from the start but maybe refederate later)" option. That I think would be closest to my preference here.
(DIR) Post #AX9fkJfi6Thqk2fsZM by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:02:03Z
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@rysiek But when? :blobcatgiggle: im not gonna check their platform each day
(DIR) Post #AX9fkpH0bqxekhMbVg by Craktok@mas.to
2023-06-28T16:02:12Z
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@stux I don’t know why people think preemptively banning another fediserver is a good thing. Surely innocent until proven guilty.
(DIR) Post #AX9frufIxeF3VB6hpQ by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:02:49Z
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@stux well you added "but maybe block later", so it feels like a natural complement to that option? :blobcateyes:
(DIR) Post #AX9frvRs355dvnpUWm by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:03:32Z
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@rysiek :blobcatgiggle: true Hmm.. perhaps
(DIR) Post #AX9fyImQDREO1vTyts by Kangar00@toot.community
2023-06-28T16:04:41Z
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@stux Block from the start and *maybe* later re-evaluate.This is my current stance towards any for profit social media company trying to join fedi, but especially with FB/Meta. I would leave the option for *them* to first actively show they are resisting any attempt to enshittification for at least 2 years, actively improve all of fedi in regards to privacy, use of user-data, user protection (especially users not on their instances) and honoring consent. No benefit of the doubt for them.
(DIR) Post #AX9gFDR5L2SeNWZFmS by philsherry@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:07:46Z
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@stux As others have pointed out: they’d want to block plenty of things that we post—it’s not just about the fact that they’re a shower of nefarious Cunts.
(DIR) Post #AX9gNsz0kbftYFZQiO by SophiaNyx@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:09:20Z
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@stux sure
(DIR) Post #AX9gbeubrZaNxu4yQ4 by josephramoney@mastodon.online
2023-06-28T15:42:12Z
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@stux "we've seen meta for 15 years become the enemy of civil discussion, and undermine the very underpinning of western democaracy as a whole""stux: we should at least hear them out, you know, give em a chance""lemmings: yeah stux is right, let's give the nazis another chance, what's the worst that can happen, that hasn't already happened repeatedly over and over and over again and the reason mastodon is thriving with refugees from meta and twitter in the first place"
(DIR) Post #AX9goCi61nqmGOCxvc by noodlejetski@masto.ai
2023-06-28T16:06:30Z
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@stux o̠͂͌̊ͤ̒̾͗n͓ͧ̒͌̿ͥͭ̋c̣̺̭ͪ͌ͮ̽̿͆e̮̝̮̻͖̽̆̾̉͆͆ ͎ͪ̒̋̈́ͣͯ̉͛͆T̗̟͓̠̭̩ͫ̃̇̊ͫͪͅͅh̰ͫ̈̎̈̅̈ͩĕ̟̝̥̳̼̖̼̺ͧ͐́ ̗̣̭̱̥̖̯̾P̦͕͓̘̳̫ͯ̍r̺̻̹̝̉͐̊̊ͣo̯̥̗͙͈͖͌ͬ̍p̫̩̩͖̳͎ͩ͊͌ͬ̾h̼̯̼̘̲͙͂̅ẻ͎̤͉c̻̺̱̊ͮ͆͛̓́y͇̞͍͎̜̪̐̋̌̈́ͥ͑ ͕̤̼̮͖̫̗̭̥ͬ͊ͦi̳͕̦͉̰̻͇͍͐s̭͌ ͎̖͙̤̓ͨͩͩ̾f̮̼͊ủ̟͔̑̋̐̓l̟̏̎͛͐̎f̣̟͙͍͇̻̭̼͌̈̃͆ͅi̹̤̻̠̦͙̞̭͔ͣͥl̝̓ͬ̒ͯ̅͊ͯ̃̅l̜̲̫̼̠͚̃e̘̖̩̦̤͇̼ͮd̳̜͋̽͒@rysiek
(DIR) Post #AX9grVU0ghOFM4C6vw by antijingoist@hackers.town
2023-06-28T16:14:40Z
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@stux afiak federating with fb would mean anyone federating with that instance would also be federating with FB.So, if one wanted to block facebook, they’d have to also block instances federating with Facebook. And facebook just joining in would cause issues re: what they use that data for, beyond what a webscraper would do.
(DIR) Post #AX9gv2MosklSDBVxdA by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:15:16Z
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**please do share this postThe more people voting the better the overall picture ❤️ thank you
(DIR) Post #AX9h0JFhWyMs1nhOQy by kboyd@phpc.social
2023-06-28T16:16:12Z
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@stux what I want to know is:What would the bandwidth usage look like? I don't run an instance yet, though I've been considering starting one (and have reserved at least two potential domain names). But if federating with meta (metarating? fbederating?) is going to utterly crush the affordability/operating costs of the system, that might be a no-go.
(DIR) Post #AX9hCn5sPGPG3T3TZw by natsume_shokogami@mastodon.world
2023-06-28T16:18:30Z
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@stux I think block Meta first until we can see the situation to reevaluate to continue to block or not. Meta's track records on privacy, protecting its users, preventing toxic and hate content,... has been always terrible. And Meta even said that they only start developing P92 in January around the time of Mastodon's hype and Tumblr, Flickr, Wordpress, Mozilla announcing joining Fediverse so they've thought to siphon other platforms' users and kill Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AX9hDTq5TqKIcwzyRE by Fragglemuppet@fandom.ink
2023-06-28T16:18:39Z
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@stux I voted, though I realize you probably only meant this poll for your own instance.
(DIR) Post #AX9hIsmo9fkpRn2aKu by Christo98@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:19:38Z
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@stux If Meta is joining they are not your friends. I just left FB, Twitter and only use this place . I will move
(DIR) Post #AX9hTf01kpF5sEMZgO by sambook@mastodon.online
2023-06-28T15:49:36Z
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@stux even though i am not a member of your instance, i still voted a loud... NO!!!
(DIR) Post #AX9hWEr1Pz6ledNdrM by staidwinnow@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:22:01Z
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@stux A follow up poll, if you can do it:"Will you defederate an instance that federates with P92?"
(DIR) Post #AX9hbPVrDVuY9wwlw8 by geekyonion@geekyonion.social
2023-06-28T16:22:56Z
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@stux Meta's business model (fundamentally) is to collect and sell data and user-created content. I'm not really interested in making it easier for them to package up my instance's data and profit off of it. A better question, in my mind, is "what is the concrete benefit of allowing federation, that doesn't already exist in some other way?"
(DIR) Post #AX9hdsxSi9u03s2Tho by snooze_cat@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:23:25Z
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@stux Fooled me once. That's the only chance Zuckerberg gets with me. His platform experimented with people's mental health, sold our data, and who knows what else we don't yet know about. I hold a long, long grudge.
(DIR) Post #AX9hj85rrgjeS3THQe by rebelrebel62@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:24:22Z
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@stux @DataDrivenMD I think, in this case, the precautionary principle applies. I don’t trust Meta at all, and I’d want them to prove their bona fides before we let them in.
(DIR) Post #AX9hoPQkpmjxfWl4sq by NorCal_Lynne@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:25:21Z
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@stux I’m not a Meta fan but I am against preemptively blocking. Of course, I hope admns take steps to protect the Fediverse. My hope is for more people to be exposed to what social media can be, which won’t happen if the millions of people on Facebook and Instagram are shut out.
(DIR) Post #AX9hvfBke27aZJCRyS by sashk@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:26:37Z
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@stux why do I think this is so wrong on many levels? Yes, meta is badon many levels. But can someone explain why they think it’s bad for fediverse?
(DIR) Post #AX9i1XZ3u53Af0uCqO by MissingThePt@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:27:37Z
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@stux https://mastodon.social/@MissingThePt/110571161726702627
(DIR) Post #AX9i8Ep1zBPSYiZJqq by SloanStudio@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:28:52Z
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@stux @timbray I kind of lean towards innocent until proven guilty…
(DIR) Post #AX9iY9BZZ3hKbhSzxI by ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com
2023-06-28T16:33:30Z
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@stux The one thing that has kept me on meta/facebook is that there is a chunk of my family that I *ONLY* communicate with there... and I don't know if that's because because they don't use other technology, or I just don't like them that much, but I feel like if I left FB Id have to actually TALK to them more often and that's unacceptable.
(DIR) Post #AX9ia0LpNlERmo9JPE by riggbeck@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:33:55Z
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@stux Face-eating leopards don't change their spots. They just get hungrier and meaner when they're kept waiting.I'm shocked at how gullible some people are.
(DIR) Post #AX9ihlfHrvbEYRx916 by modulusshift@digipres.club
2023-06-28T16:35:14Z
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@stux I understand that they haven't done anything yet, but we don't even want to give them the legitimacy of being a peer to the fediverse. We'd be sending a message that "this is a fedi instance, you can join the fediverse here!" and yet hold a dagger behind our back, ready to defederate at the drop of a hat. it would be far better if we simply spoke the truth to begin with: they're never going to be fully welcome here, and you *will* end up on the bad side of the breakup if something happens.
(DIR) Post #AX9ii32xFBdGSm9mlc by galacticstone@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:35:22Z
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@stux - I think many people are rightful to be suspicious of big corporate intentions when it comes to the Fedi. Meta is not doing this to make the Fedi a better place. They are doing it because a room full of highly-paid actuaries and analysts said it would be good for profits.Speaking for myself, I will block any Meta-associated instance the moment it goes live. Same goes for Musk, Dorsey, and all the rest.
(DIR) Post #AX9iuCjB4lpHxmhdce by ghostdancer@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-06-28T16:37:33Z
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@stux If they were clear about it maybe I would not mind giving them a chance but all that NDA and secret(not so) meetings thing means they're up to no good.
(DIR) Post #AX9iuksw4zplttWuYK by Queenero89@tkz.one
2023-06-28T16:37:39Z
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@stux Block.
(DIR) Post #AX9j3Jj2QaQaGxz0LY by I_am_stefan@dembowski.social
2023-06-28T16:39:10Z
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@stux Like others, my Concern is Meta will try to clobber Mastodon...
(DIR) Post #AX9jRrDnXdmh6p4XxY by Basic_Bench@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:43:41Z
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@stuxThe lack ads makes masto ultimately useless for facebook in their current ad driven model.This means they wont spend a dollar moderating it.The only way this could possibly work is if facebook offered to *host* federated servers for a fee. Then it would essentially be a rent-an-instance model and separately moderated.
(DIR) Post #AX9jSKccERrqIBuHAW by TomAintAround@fosstodon.org
2023-06-28T16:43:46Z
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@stux I think it’s very unfair and imoral to outright block them when they do nothing wrong. Just wait until they do and then we can block them.
(DIR) Post #AX9jaO718fgPQyy6Km by SuitedUpDev@mastodon.online
2023-06-28T16:09:51Z
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@stux To be honest, I am on the fence about this.Pro:If it's people's entry into the fediverse and eventually moves them towards other instances, then I might not be totally against it.Con:I trust Meta as far as I can throw them. They have shown that they only care about their bottom line and don't take people's privacy seriously. Next to that, it could potentially expose all data of current instances to Meta.
(DIR) Post #AX9jiSEPhugsWiH4HQ by robertnorlyn@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:46:40Z
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@stux I gave this a lot of thought and I was on the let Meta federate then block because it seems on the face of it more reasonable. Now that Meta has revealed what their policies are going to be and I really don’t want their poorly moderated content here for sure I am for never letting them federate.I will look at P92 independently from the greater fediverse. #Meta #Fediverse #P92
(DIR) Post #AX9jjG0edLOSuWDmm8 by philippmichelreichold@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-06-28T16:46:21Z
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@stux You need a "Oh, hell no" button. 😜
(DIR) Post #AX9jrCVVXUPYMgRNAm by avocado_toast@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:48:12Z
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@stux one look around their existing social media platforms and asking yourself if you want mastodon to be more like one of them should provide everyone enough perspective to see what the correct choice is
(DIR) Post #AX9jtJMr0GKKDmOoN6 by baalzephon@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:48:37Z
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@stux They want to EEE/datamine the fediverse, so no. Better nip this in the bud than allow the creeping enshittification to proceed.
(DIR) Post #AX9jvRBktbsh3aDoOm by McHollander@mastodon.chasalin.nl
2023-06-28T16:48:59Z
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@stux I'm voting no. I don't trust them. They've been responsible for way too much harm for me to believe they're up to any good and allowing them to get a foothold will make sure it's harder to get rid of them once they're here, because by then they'll be part of the ecosystem.As for proving their good intentions: they're not here to build the community but to profit from it. And so, eventually, they're going to do immoral shit.
(DIR) Post #AX9k9p6ykQ4TJ4qanI by tometaxu@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:51:37Z
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@stux I am reminded of the fable of The Scorpion and the frog, "which teaches that vicious people cannot resist hurting others even when it is not in their own interests."https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog#meta #Facebook #EvilIsAsEvilDoes
(DIR) Post #AX9kI0C9QKSVzwANkG by layertrade@mstdn.ca
2023-06-28T16:52:57Z
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@stux @Meyerweb federate at the outset but keep a very short leash. If the instances don’t moderate effectively or they somehow drag the UX of outside instances down, cut them off without warning.I don’t believe for a second that these companies are embracing the fediverse. Facebook wants everybody on the Facebook-operated instance until they can get critical mass to put up their own walled garden Twitter alternative, or to shut it down in attempt to kill the alternative protocol en masse.
(DIR) Post #AX9kJXv7WFsSsuw8Wm by GuillaumeRossolini@infosec.exchange
2023-06-28T16:53:22Z
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@stux Finally a social media platform where my mom and I will be able to interact?
(DIR) Post #AX9kchoSxkRZ4Ixb5k by msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-06-28T16:56:48Z
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@stux Hard NO - from this end.
(DIR) Post #AX9kjVB2LDeHuDl4Do by VamptVo@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T16:57:59Z
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@stux I don't think you're going to get a very good sample on this since the people most mobilized to talk about it and answer polls are people opposed to federation with Meta.
(DIR) Post #AX9kqatBVCoDeGn1U0 by mekkermuis@troet.cafe
2023-06-28T16:59:19Z
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@stux probably a dumb question, but can I (as a single user) block a complete instance? Or do I need to find an instance that blocks them for me?
(DIR) Post #AX9l2aeMDX1KNjZgfI by FinchHaven@hachyderm.io
2023-06-28T17:01:26Z
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@stux I'm team No (block from start)There is nothing new or unknown about #Zuckerberg, and what #Facebook is, and what #Instagram isTere should be no mistake about what #Meta or #Project92 or #Barcelona or whatever will beThere might be a few differences in the details, but by the time you've found them it's too lateLet Zuckerberg and Meta or Project92 or Barcelona show what they are firstThen think about - maybe - Federating with themLaterAfter they've shown their true colors
(DIR) Post #AX9l3froJ2akqrNsR6 by ranx@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T17:01:33Z
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@stux it depends on their privacy policy. Assuming it will not be any different from FB/IG then NO, block from start. 🙅🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #AX9leDE7khGQjyFBB2 by volkris@qoto.org
2023-06-28T17:08:18Z
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@stuxI always promote the idea that we should be empowering users to shape their own experiences as they prefer, so #Federation should always be the default.Let users block instances if they want, but I’d rather keep admins out of the position of dictating what users can and can’t see.That extends to #Meta as well.If they want to provide a lot of new content to us, then great! If you or I don’t want to see that content, also great, let us make that decision and block at the user level.Otherwise, a lot of people sick of having algorithms set their experience will be on #Fediverse where someone else will be setting their experience.
(DIR) Post #AX9lwSEah2eqUwA1QW by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-06-28T17:11:36Z
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@stux So, before the results are finalised ... I think an interesting question is for any given possible action what's a significant enough split to basically count as a "mandate" of some sort?I'd going to guess that neither side will have insignificant numbers (ie, no side is below ~15%).How do you cater to that? And what percentage would mean that you could ignore it?
(DIR) Post #AX9lywPDUIf4eUJgMy by pkoopmanpk@mastodon.nl
2023-06-28T17:12:00Z
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@stux I'm pretty sure Meta does this to open wash their platforms. The Fedivers is a convenient [ft]ool to confuse watchdogs like the FTC and EU.
(DIR) Post #AX9m5HuKSQ3v4mtZvU by MarciaNemoris@stranger.social
2023-06-28T17:13:10Z
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@stux Lacking a detailed technical understanding of the fediverse and Meta's systems, much less how Meta's platform will integrate with and affect the verse as a whole, my instinct is to say 'block on sight'.Facebook owns the bulk of the Internet. It doesn't need this space as well. It wants it, of course, because it wants everything. But there must be a refuge. Meta, Twitter, Google: they will consume everything they can in their quest to control all data. Show them they can't have this.
(DIR) Post #AX9m852SlAMW27217g by sepfeiffer@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T17:13:39Z
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@stux I just don’t want any more crap from egomaniacs with lots of money and influence.
(DIR) Post #AX9mSlDReitAdQ1tE8 by pax@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T17:17:27Z
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@stux block meta 😾🤮
(DIR) Post #AX9n1pyPxWDPWej6Gm by Virginicus@universeodon.com
2023-06-28T17:23:47Z
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@stux My answer would be, “I don’t know enough yet.”
(DIR) Post #AX9n2FlC5J5PVAjuGe by IAmDannyBoling@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T17:23:52Z
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@stux I've been reading thru the thread and a great many (majority?) of people seem to want to block from the start and then let them prove themselves trustworthy before unblocking them. Whatever you decide, @stux, we know you've got our best interests at heart.
(DIR) Post #AX9nGlorgamqzBNXwO by golong@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T17:26:28Z
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@stux We certainly need the ability to turn it off and my gut feeling is to proceed very cautiously with small-scale experiments. FB needs to prove they can build out a system of trust that involves the community in content moderation to both reduce false positives while also keeping our communities from becoming dumpster fires and posts with 3,000 mostly troll comments. (1/3)
(DIR) Post #AX9nUllKh7iCraOywa by zulutoo@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T17:29:01Z
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@hello @stux I voted against federating Meta. On second thought, with the amount of manipulation of their “clients “ they are capable of, Meta could start a powerful alternative to the fediverse and all of you admins are in danger to depend, even partially, on a Meta “fork” of the actual fedivers or, I hope not, get marginalized. Well, complicated question. Let’s hope for the best and wisest choices for the durability of this fascinating fedivers 🙏🏼
(DIR) Post #AX9nj0TSnF56XrpgBM by W6KME@mastodon.radio
2023-06-28T17:30:46Z
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@stux I left Facebook long ago. I am not interested in interaction with the people who have chosen to stay on that platform, especially given the attacks I was subjected to by neonazi groups that are plainly supported by Marky Mark. Similarly, I have no interest in interacting with people who choose his platform as their gateway to the Fediverse. Too many people ignore evil because it doesn't affect them. The Meta products are a home for that sort of selfish stupidity.
(DIR) Post #AX9ooCzlleHsmSzIvI by derpceratops@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T17:43:42Z
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@stux My gut reaction was no, but I think we should wait and see. This could be a good opportunity for the network to grow and to make it easier for people to communicate with one another on a decentralized platform. It solves the problem of having to be on a specific platform because all your friends are there and won't move. My main concern though is the potential bandwidth and smaller servers needing to defederate because they can't keep up.
(DIR) Post #AX9pCG5fuXwBKYDZdA by dendari@mastodon.world
2023-06-28T17:48:00Z
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@stux all the folks saying dint block and wait to see. I think we can and should hedge our bets the other way. Block and then see if they can or are able to moderate. Considering they haven't shared a moderation plan, that is the smart move. We value our moderators and our real free speech. They have never once proved they value anything even close to that.
(DIR) Post #AX9plSvYAzwHHJGoQS by mathyourlife@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T17:54:26Z
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@stux I appreciate the poll.I'm generally in the assume positive intent camp, but I don't apply that to Meta. How about block from the start and unblock later if they demonstrate good stewardship and users are comfortable with removing the block?
(DIR) Post #AX9ptXvtRwtn7SHf16 by Milkman76@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T17:55:52Z
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@stux I can't believe we are even talking about this. This is absurd.
(DIR) Post #AX9q49gjvjkX70Fqka by Kyote@stranger.social
2023-06-28T17:57:46Z
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@stux The results being NO as a majority makes me happy 😤
(DIR) Post #AX9qTydZdlVGMo5Qae by kjartan@mas.to
2023-06-28T18:02:29Z
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@stux although they are clearly not targeted, maybe some instance admins read your post as well: Is there any instance which will definitely federate with meta (and is open for registration)? My instance won’t federate and I’m looking for a new “home”. Thanks 😊
(DIR) Post #AX9qs9XikGV78jsQ52 by DawnBlackbirds@mastodonapp.uk
2023-06-28T18:06:49Z
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@stux My feeling is ‘no’. I’m using both FB and Instagram, mainly for business but also for a few people on FB I want to keep in touch with. I don’t post much in a personal capacity because I don’t want them to have that data. I don’t trust them with it. I’m much less guarded on here. People are used to using multiple platforms, and don’t necessarily want to link them together. Blocking after you’ve federated with them will simply piss people off.
(DIR) Post #AX9r2pvM1mkpTk1dpI by jfmezei@mstdn.ca
2023-06-28T18:08:44Z
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@stux is this to be a separate service or does this mean that a user posting on Facebook will see that post formatted and then transmitted to fediverse?
(DIR) Post #AX9rU2w3lAhjeSKWdk by runswithspoons@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T18:13:40Z
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@stux facebook should be just another domain using the federated protocol, like with email.I haven't used facebook in a long time and think zuckerberg is awful, and this could offer people like me a way to keep up with friends and family who aren't ready to leave fb yet.
(DIR) Post #AX9rsHPlZuvfVXmSTQ by harriettmb@mastodon.ie
2023-06-28T18:18:04Z
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@stux Given the information on how much the likes of FB gathers from its users, and the fact they did not stop hate, actively platformed various bad political actors over the last few years, I don’t want FB, Twitter or any other for-profit/billionaires plaything in my social space. I came her to get away from all of that.
(DIR) Post #AX9ru833NC5l2P2RXM by akippnn@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T18:18:24Z
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@stux Meta/Facebook trying everything they can so they can get the advantages of being early in a certain sector and hopefully get big with that...I don't like Meta/Facebook themselves but I'd try anything that's a fediverse and is fully open-source.
(DIR) Post #AX9rugH47bVDBhr768 by krogers@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T18:18:27Z
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@stux I feel that their past actions justify caution. I understand the position that we should wait and see whether they cause a problem or not, but their is ample evidence that their business model relies on unethical behavior:https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43681-021-00068-x
(DIR) Post #AX9rwvUgVRzIyCIS7k by johnglass@ohai.social
2023-06-28T18:18:55Z
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@stux Why not just block the instance at the individual level allowing users to have a choice?
(DIR) Post #AX9s0MmnUW2MU3PQQa by nasamuffin@tech.lgbt
2023-06-28T18:19:28Z
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@stux If it were a question of just seeing and interacting with posts, I'd probably be OK with trying it out at first. But I would rather not have Meta scraping all my posts, figuring out how to link it to my identity, and advertising to me with it. Or doing who knows what else.
(DIR) Post #AX9s0wLPHpWAlWs3jU by spamourai@hostux.social
2023-06-28T18:19:37Z
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@stux this blog post from @ploum sum it up pretty well : look at history, don't do the same mistakes. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
(DIR) Post #AX9slIlKGjvncB6L8y by Andii@mas.to
2023-06-28T18:28:00Z
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@stux The 'no' could change to 'yes but...' if there was a strong legal way to make sure that Meta wouldn't be scraping our data or making money from users outside of Meta.
(DIR) Post #AX9t69bRWDItHxQCki by sspopovich@universeodon.com
2023-06-28T18:31:47Z
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@stux my biggest question would be, is Meta still going to be able to scrape all of our data, regardless of whether we federate or not? Also I don't know how much validity an opinion like mine, as a normal user rather than an instance admin, would have... isn't it just a handful of people on each server whose opinions would even matter?
(DIR) Post #AX9tC3li7izIvn2ZZQ by Biggles@qoto.org
2023-06-28T18:32:51Z
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@stux People often say "give them a chance". The tale of the frog and the scorpion applies.Facebook has its chance, for years, and had to change its name things got so bad. Anyone thinking they're not going to start internally matching fediverse accounts with Facebook and selling that info is willfully ignoring all of their prior behavior. There's a track record here. Give them another chance implies it's ok to risk losing what we've built to accommodate them. It's not. We already had one community destroyed by a billionaire man-baby, I'd hate to see a repeat.
(DIR) Post #AX9ta87xZLIzOqvPOK by sspopovich@universeodon.com
2023-06-28T18:37:07Z
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@stux my inclination, though, would be to hold off until we would see how those brave instances who did federate out-of-the-gate fared. I'm not really wanting to be a guinea pig, if there's any way to avoid it.
(DIR) Post #AX9uQK8YAAYHhm5Za4 by andymarfia@universeodon.com
2023-06-28T18:46:38Z
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@stux My 2 cents: until we know more it's premature to block. Also I think users should have the agency to block meta themselves. I don't want my instance admin taking that decision away from me.
(DIR) Post #AX9uUVcHQNE6SyzTNY by olukawy@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T18:47:25Z
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@stux не нужон нам и нах их интернет (с).
(DIR) Post #AX9uWawyZ3QlaWfK2y by TerribleLuddite@toot.community
2023-06-28T18:47:45Z
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@stux The technical stuff is a bit esoteric for me. I don’t like the divisiveness that this has already brought. My instinct is don’t federate, but I might be wrong. Two questions:If this were Twitter instead of Meta, would supporters of federation feel the same?Why is one scenario presented as final, and the other as flexible (couldn’t we choose to federate at any later point)?
(DIR) Post #AX9ue54ox9PH3Du8h6 by Oldfartrant@mstdn.ca
2023-06-28T18:49:07Z
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@stux if I wanted to interact with Meta, I'd join Meta.
(DIR) Post #AX9ukAVnerzhe4QVaS by mikey@friendsofdesoto.social
2023-06-28T18:50:08Z
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@stux I think a wait an see approach makes the most sense, and it's what I'm planning on my instance. Blocking with the tools available isn't going to stop Meta from getting anything, and will just make it seem more confusing to the users. The way I see it, maybe P92 will bring more people to Fedi, and we can offer them options outside Meta, or it will turn out to be bad, and we block it then. Blocking it now doesn't gain us much, and wastes whatever opportunity there is there.
(DIR) Post #AX9uusG9rO1GDqDOOO by lamp@berserker.town
2023-06-28T18:52:15Z
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@stux i would have to see it first cause i have no idea what it's gonna be like!
(DIR) Post #AX9v27HQPeowpnGFCi by orsinium@fosstodon.org
2023-06-28T18:53:28Z
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@stux I'll definitely ban the server myself right away, but I don't think it's right to automatically ban it for everyone. Perhaps, it's better to let everyone decide for themselves if they want to see it. I like that mastodon already allows you to ban a server, not just a user.
(DIR) Post #AX9v9wUIQGILgA0s6K by blakeyrat@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T18:54:50Z
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@stux One note about this entire debate is the very fact that Mastodon has so many virulent Facebook haters when the general population has almost none is, in itself, evidence of how small, insular and outside-the-mainstream the population here is.To be clear my position isn't "I love Meta, kisses, smooches", but... man we need a LOT more, and a lot more diverse-in-opinions, people here and that might be a good way to get it.
(DIR) Post #AX9vx3jqFl12M9hmaG by Geoffberner@zeroes.ca
2023-06-28T19:03:44Z
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@stux what could possibly be the upside of helping mark zuckerberg?
(DIR) Post #AX9wH8uAkm2KAj772G by lunarnexus@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T19:07:23Z
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@stux Meta is a bad faith company with clearly bad intentions, always. It's like inviting Hitler to your kid's birthday party to "see if he causes any trouble". You just invited trouble and should expect bad things. Don't let Meta pretend to be a good guy so they can get into the club, you already know they're not.
(DIR) Post #AX9wQs7U11yZ0cyl04 by birdpoof@universeodon.com
2023-06-28T19:09:09Z
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@stux My answer would depend on how it's going to work. https://universeodon.com/@birdpoof/110623132820403859
(DIR) Post #AX9wXcdrxYFZ27LWVs by ProfessorLoki@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T19:10:22Z
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@stux I've been in social media marketing for the last 15 years. Started off when facebook was considered a "Fad" - yep those days existed. I personally don't want Meta anywhere near the fediverse. Eventually everything they touch turns to shit.
(DIR) Post #AX9wdCTY9taBcJBASu by IpsoFacto@mastodon.world
2023-06-28T19:11:21Z
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@stux Maybe. If he knocks out Musk in the cage fight I’d consider it.
(DIR) Post #AX9wjA2k7BzFoJTz3A by natsume_shokogami@mastodon.world
2023-06-28T16:35:12Z
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@staidwinnow @stux Please don't, P92 is already splitting Fediverse apart, don't make it an echo chambers by blocking anyone you don't agree with.
(DIR) Post #AX9wjBcEGjy0gf5q08 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T19:12:27Z
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@natsume_shokogami @staidwinnow No im not gonna..Sorry but that is just not something we should do.. And I strongly encourage not toEnforcing blocklists gets you on the blocklist, at least in my book
(DIR) Post #AX9wvlVodGIbUe5jIO by mdb@newsie.social
2023-06-28T19:14:41Z
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@stux I realize meta will only want to embrace and extend. But I think blocking out initially might lead meta to ddos the many servers running now. Need to work on hardening the mastodon software against the coming abuse.
(DIR) Post #AX9x6S3jIYmALX3A48 by richlv@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T19:16:40Z
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@stux Here's a major problem for you.Facebook moderation team for Latvia (and possibly other countries) is reportedly supporting russia and extra harsh on Ukraine-supporting posters.The same team will likely carry on to Fediverse, thus FB/Meta moderation may not and cannot be trusted or accepted.
(DIR) Post #AX9xqJWlLqGDCrUzWi by Lemonandpeach@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T19:24:58Z
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@Grutjes gezien?
(DIR) Post #AX9xwzW29XfXAULFrs by goodenough@universeodon.com
2023-06-28T19:26:05Z
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@stux Given that most (or much) of the distrust of Mete concerns its corporate policies rather than its posting conduct, I wonder what standards and values might be used to moderate its presence in the fediverse?Moderating the instance and its operation must be very different than moderating users' posts.
(DIR) Post #AX9yaqRXItIQc6F3Q0 by hembrow@todon.eu
2023-06-28T19:33:18Z
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@stux More than ten years have passed since I deleted my Facebook account and blocked all their domains and IP addresses on my router.Since then they've gone on to do even worse things.I'm here because it is not like Facebook. Why would I want any connection with Facebook now?https://davidhembrow.blogspot.com/2013/04/why-i-am-no-longer-on-facebook.html
(DIR) Post #AX9zGhINhksQPAusvQ by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:04:24Z
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@stux Block from start, Meta's reputation is consistently horrible in terms of human rights, privacy, treatment of staff etc.They're the opposite of what the Fediverse should be.
(DIR) Post #AX9zGiZ4z9pOLFjjai by FransVeldman@fediverse.thefloatinglab.world
2023-06-28T19:33:23.769793Z
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Have you also blocked all emails coming from gmail accounts, because gmail is owned by Google?Block from start, Google’s reputation is consistently horrible in terms of human rights, privacy, treatment of staff etc.They’re the opposite of what Email should be.
(DIR) Post #AX9zGjmwR6Vi8XEJpw by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T19:37:18Z
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@FransVeldman @stux You realise that Google blocks emails coming from small independent providers, right?It is really difficult to set up indie email now because of all the roadblocks by the major players.They are doing everything they can to shut down choice in email. We can expect exactly the same thing on the Fediverse if major corporations get a foothold.
(DIR) Post #AX9zK0DVoNmzxRDOIS by jmccyoung@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T16:13:27Z
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@ATellurian @stux I voted yes for that reason but I definitely see a strong case for no. I think giving the instance a chance is worth it but if it proves to be problematic, block it. Thank you for soliciting our opinion!
(DIR) Post #AX9zYEPNqRM21fYKFk by ivy@cutie.city
2023-06-28T19:44:05Z
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@stux @obviousdwest I don't trust it, because no matter what, if an instance federates with it, the user's content on that instance will be available to meta and copies will exist on their server as things are federated over. even if they don't scrape it, everything new will be available to them. considering what Facebook does with data, that can't be a good thing
(DIR) Post #AX9zaEeDvSu5LbRvbE by LMNOChris@techhub.social
2023-06-28T19:44:28Z
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@stux Sorry, they ran out of goodwill with me a while back. I'm going to keep a wide berth between them and myself if possible.
(DIR) Post #AX9zsiyNurxobzhD84 by not2b@sfba.social
2023-06-28T19:47:47Z
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@stux It seems that there's another option, if I understand correctly: limiting. That would allow individual users to follow each other across the divide, without introducing a flood of people into the rest of the fediverse. Is that a possibility? It might allow people to connect with friends across the divide while limiting problems with the volume of unvetted people.
(DIR) Post #AXA0CVxQ19Fk2JgGTQ by austinwillis@sfba.social
2023-06-28T19:51:23Z
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@stux Without information on how they handle account migration I can't come to a decision. If they don't allow you to move your follows/following to a different instance, block them
(DIR) Post #AXA0HYH2peKwfXGLNg by utopify_org@veganism.social
2023-06-28T19:52:16Z
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@stuxC: Block before they go online, because they only need a short time to get all the data from us and process them.Do we really want to make rich people richer?
(DIR) Post #AXA0lXa7yDBdD3UKie by hughster@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T19:57:42Z
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@stux Problem being that anti-Meta activists are far more animated about this and are probably going to make more effort to share this around. Twitter polls are similarly unreliable.
(DIR) Post #AXA0meISUP3GKEkhG4 by strong_sue@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-06-28T19:57:53Z
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@stux I have feelings about FB Meta which centered around their letting Cambridge Analytica steal my data as I was friends with one who interacted with the offending app. AFAIK my data ended up with the FSB. Worse than being used for commercial gain, was being used for Russia’s purpose to elect Trump. Just found out about the lawsuit. Wonder if I can apply as I left after January 6th, 2021.https://www.npr.org/2023/04/20/1170987739/facebook-settlement-lawsuit-privacy
(DIR) Post #AXA0nhmV1GhfQEJ6bg by ErictheCerise@kolektiva.social
2023-06-28T19:57:53Z
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@stuxI voted, 'cuz why not.But I'm done with this debate.After 20 years of non-stop Facebook devastation and desecration, if anyone is still not sure what to expect, I want nothing to do with those people.The day FB comes to town, I will be aggressively blocking them, and anyone else that's still "giving them a chance", and I'll be moving servers if my admin isn't doing the same, and then y'all can enjoy your Metaverse w/o hearing from me anymore.
(DIR) Post #AXA0uD7hP67IMgKE6K by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T17:22:38Z
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@bill here's a different thought: would you help keep the captives in a walled garden?There are many ways to look at this. Looking at this only through the lens of Meta vs. fedi admins ignores *both* the agency of people using fedi, and people stuck in Meta walled gardens.I am no fan of Meta, and as I said my preference would be to pre-block and see later. But I recognize this is a nuanced situation, and removing this nuance just to do a hot-take-stab at a person is not helpful.
(DIR) Post #AXA11jO7qG94SZavOy by otheorange_tag@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T20:00:36Z
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@stux I really can't decide. I would say make an obvious switch in settings special for meta? Just spitballing. I would probably let it happen, then if I didn't like it, spend a few seconds trying to blanket block meta (think what dad would do) if I had to jump through too many hoops. I would burn whatever instance I was on and go to another instance or give up and just stay on discord. Or just be antisocial.
(DIR) Post #AXA1Znkq79EBqcSt1c by jeang3nie@social.linux.pizza
2023-06-28T20:06:47Z
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@stux I'm frankly amazed that there's a 38% here that is willing to take a wait and see on this issue. Don't mix yourselves here people. There is no universe in which Meta joins the fediverse with good intentions and plays nice.What about the people that might bring? Well what about them? If they have an interest there are plenty of free servers that could join. And in case you haven't experienced their platform lately, there's a lot of people on there who would only cause problems here.
(DIR) Post #AXA1geFfqLpGP29Ux6 by Hey_Beth@sfba.social
2023-06-28T20:07:55Z
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@stux @RufusJCooter If Meta intends to use its current Community Standards, it will be allowing content that targets our LBTGQ communities.
(DIR) Post #AXA1k3YmClTjlNiEWO by azar@fosstodon.org
2023-06-28T20:08:38Z
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@stux while I've waffled on this back and forth, I'm of the opinion that block from the start makes the most sense.Meta makes it's money through surveillance capitalism. While defederating doesn't block Meta from mining the fediverse, it does offer the best defense. I chose my instance on the fediverse in part to separate from the surveillance cap systems of the centralized web. I don't want to lose that haven and do not have the resources to start my own instance.
(DIR) Post #AXA1qqg6UuUTq1NWtM by rival@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T20:09:52Z
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@stux I think "Yes" with the block option could deserve a try, not a desirable one, but maybe a less-bad, thinking that right now, lots of people stay in META's platforms, and they don't seem eager to move out of that jail, so, to interact with them, at least we won't have to use that proprietary capitalist crap. But the devil is in the details. The technical implementation must be very finely scrutinised...
(DIR) Post #AXA1r5Y9Cm2Txglt4a by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T20:09:54Z
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@stux I am kind of on the fence, leaning towards allowing them (not that it's my decision or anything), simply for the fact that having Facebook (or whatever they call it) connected means that we can be in contact with FB users without actually going to Facebook.Means no ads.
(DIR) Post #AXA23eZqndGm4YYkNc by recluse@dice.camp
2023-06-28T20:12:11Z
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@stux Block early block often. I don't want any Meta influences on Fedi, we have years of detailed records of bad behavior. If my server federates with them I'll move to one that does not and aggressively walls off their bullshit.
(DIR) Post #AXA24EMziuNP56ozL6 by Silicanus@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-06-28T20:12:21.204151Z
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@stux @natsume_shokogami @staidwinnow the paradox of fediblockerance
(DIR) Post #AXA28kq4wi0owOaAXw by Silicanus@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-06-28T20:13:12.044838Z
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@stux @natsume_shokogami @staidwinnow if one fedizen sits down at a bar with 11 facebook users, there are 12 facebook users sitting at the bar.
(DIR) Post #AXA2be98uKRUaAHBPk by Grutjes@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T20:18:20Z
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@stux With all due respect, there's little chance this poll will get a reliable result,as you call collective defederation from Meta "childish" (collective defederating: defederating from instances that federate with Meta).and as most users don't know yet what's happening, or what the arguments for or against federating with Meta are.I don't mean to say this in disrespect, I just think that this poll won't represent very much (if I would post a poll, it wouldn't be reliable either)
(DIR) Post #AXA2mzKoTEUJTw8vho by tursiops@tooting.ch
2023-06-28T20:20:21Z
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@stux I’m torn between wait and see and block in advance. For the moment my users are happy to just wait and see.
(DIR) Post #AXA3C1alDPPpipXa2C by quixote@mastodon.nz
2023-06-28T20:24:52Z
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@stux The poll needs a "Not sure" option.Also a "Block first and see how they behave" option. The likeliest outcome, based on past behavior of corporate giants generally, is Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.Be nice to avoid that fate somehow!
(DIR) Post #AXA6NVud7mToo70Ktk by marcofanti89@fosstodon.org
2023-06-28T21:00:30Z
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@stux block from the start and maybe federate later if they will prove to be worthy (they will not)
(DIR) Post #AXA7D0tdgbubfg689Y by rebel63@mstdn.social
2023-06-28T21:09:54Z
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@stux meta = evil. End of. You let them in the door, thats it, game over. They want everything. Like every spoilt bastard billionaire anywhere zuckerberg wants to own all the socials. Power, influence, control. Big. Fat. No. From me. If they come in I'm out.
(DIR) Post #AXA8wRIOTsy8X4twNU by billyjoebowers@mastodon.online
2023-06-28T21:14:10Z
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@stux Needs a "not sure" option, but I'm going to be VERY quick to block.
(DIR) Post #AXA8zPVXaKoZr8T2Po by pieselpriemel@mastodon.online
2023-06-28T21:15:07Z
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@stux Ok, can't follow up all the discussion here but I saw no one else mention it. And I am sure I speak for all the others. We love you too. :ablobcatbongo:
(DIR) Post #AXA9GLzzsr4JtenBfE by soonix@ieji.de
2023-06-28T21:32:51Z
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@stux where can I find out how the proceeding / line of action was regarding Gab and truth.social? Of course, the situation at hand now is different, but perhaps some guidelines can be excerpted.
(DIR) Post #AXABgJ1tkJhi7oBTsG by copsewood@social.linux.pizza
2023-06-28T21:59:56Z
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Block from start helps prevent Metcalfe's law from eliminating all but one commercial and well funded Fediverse tech protocol compliant platform, which can bankroll it's own growth to monopoly status, whence it can grow the way a cancer grows - by throwing toxins into neighbouring tissue and expanding the tumour into the space vacated.
(DIR) Post #AXACmuqe9OM96ndYwK by FozillaMirefox@mastodon.social
2023-06-28T22:12:25Z
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@stux Like any spoiled food, the longer you leave it out the trash can, the sooner it stinks the kitchen out. Meta straight to the bin.
(DIR) Post #AXAEdadi7Ge7jcGctM by TobiWanKenobi@kolektiva.social
2023-06-28T22:33:08Z
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@stux I support kolektiva on this: https://kolektiva.social/@moderation/110612539820163987They're gigachads. So no need for me to take any action. They'll handle it by blocking the filthy corporate trash. 👍
(DIR) Post #AXAIiCjap1RCrJTTUW by Hyphlosion@donphan.social
2023-06-28T23:18:44Z
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@stux Super new to Mastodon and the Fediverse as a whole. I wanted to get <i>away</i> from stuff like Facebook/Meta.
(DIR) Post #AXAJNTemoF6dDRuGmG by silo_bear@mindly.social
2023-06-28T23:26:16Z
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@stuxThis is such terrible news. Who on Earth trusts facebook with our data after everything we've seen?
(DIR) Post #AXAKRiMMBdfhvbs2kK by average650@mastodon.world
2023-06-28T23:38:13Z
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@stux I would block him, but if we get some blocking and some not, then I'll be very happy for that. Give the users a choice.
(DIR) Post #AXAKdcMYJCKonvdcVk by robertadtaylor@ohai.social
2023-06-28T23:40:21Z
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@stux I dunno. Maybe if we don't block right away some echo chambers might be breached and people might learn there's an alternative from Meta.
(DIR) Post #AXANC1h0q3AR7Nk8Om by auginbirdtuga34@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T00:09:00Z
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@stux I'm open to many things,but this i am not. I do not want the Fediverse tainted by Meta's data grabbing soul stealing cash-making-only focused hands on this.
(DIR) Post #AXANNp7BQdRtaEbrBA by Vefhtagn@eldritch.cafe
2023-06-29T00:11:07Z
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@stux I will trust Meta when they will accept than a woman in a shirt auto moderate by a bot isn't violation of their ToS and actual Neo-Nazi group with call to murder are...So never.
(DIR) Post #AXASbOdl9mOzIb8dcW by lakelady@mstdn.social
2023-06-29T01:09:37Z
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@stux it's way too soon to have a thoughtful answer to this. Too many unknown variables. Seems to me that the prudent path is "wait and see" . . . at least for now.
(DIR) Post #AXAbNLVgtfkj7ljtkO by mochsner@mstdn.social
2023-06-29T02:47:56Z
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@stux Google's track record:EMAIL http://www.igregious.com/2023/03/gmail-is-breaking-email.html?m=1XMPP: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html... why would we give Facebook (who hires MANY google employees / also lives to build business value) the benefit of the doubt, when there are numerous legal claims against them for misuse of data for financial gain. Why would they NOT embrace tactics other than "embrace, extend, extinguish"? Even if the engineers implementing it aren't thinking it, when the team loses money, it can quickly change.
(DIR) Post #AXAeMHtDAlSnT4vaHw by gamermanh@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T03:21:22Z
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@stux if a user wants to see Meta content they can set it up themselves to do so and be fine.Facebook just generally has a bad taste for most people and many of us likely don't care that it'd be missed content for us - we likely didn't want that content in the first place and that's why we aren't on FB and IG to the numbers they want these days.
(DIR) Post #AXAf8vVPBUTWEcz9uK by Blackbuck@mstdn.social
2023-06-29T03:30:07Z
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@stux voted for a preemptive block. Don't trust meta, never will. My two cents:It's better to block from the start, see how it goes, and relax later if ever, rather than federate from the start, have people leave for it (and hate you for it) and then realize it was a mistake.I say this because I never used meta services my whole life, and I don't intend to start now.I may block their instances, and I may even leave this instance if the situation is not comfortable.Thanks for the poll.
(DIR) Post #AXAmNO1gdowoQJvXO4 by jecusky@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T04:51:11Z
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@stux Given Meta's reputation, no.
(DIR) Post #AXAqd2Ezo26JJ7ryWe by theLastTheorist@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T05:38:49Z
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@stux I have to say I don't really care because I think they're going to f*** it up. These are the folks who just burned tens of billions of dollars on a legless pachinko parlor. I'm on a big instance, so maybe I'll have to move if they poop in the pool, but otherwise it's a hard meh from me.
(DIR) Post #AXAufua38wrAEbLPmK by Jasonact@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T06:24:10Z
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@stux Wouldn’t a “no” answer essentially go against the whole idea of the free and open fediverse? Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see how refusing to federate isn’t hypocritical.
(DIR) Post #AXAzSXsij2OxqEWVgu by tsadilas@libretooth.gr
2023-06-29T07:17:46Z
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@stux i would vote for a "not sure" or "depend" option if it was there
(DIR) Post #AXB15y5DLIcCLsjH9s by GenXer@theres.life
2023-06-29T07:36:05Z
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@stux I read another comment here and I agree with them. I'll be blocking any instance in Meta's platform and everyone who uses it. I hope my own instance blocks them.
(DIR) Post #AXBAbeInK2n3rAGM7s by D1g1talDrag0n@techhub.social
2023-06-29T09:22:39Z
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@stux if Zuck kicks Elons butt in a cage match, heck I might just start using facebook again. Lol! But for real, I’m ok with their instance but as soon as ads roll in then no.
(DIR) Post #AXBLfnq0uRTq5Lz4Zk by Hand_Eye_Originals@mastodon.social
2023-06-29T11:26:38Z
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@stux Maybe if I understood just a fraction of what the hell that was all about I might have voted. Not clued in.
(DIR) Post #AXBN3cQT5fgvazxIzw by Clutha@mastodon.scot
2023-06-29T11:42:01Z
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@stux It might encourage others to join a ‘good’ social media site 🤔
(DIR) Post #AXBNaRKpLbLAkny2Ea by skquinn@toot.community
2023-06-29T11:48:06Z
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@stux Right now the whole reason for being on the Metaverse is with the idea of, long term, leaving Meta, Twitter, et al behind. Right now the latter is already out of my "traffic pattern" but some of my work will require me for the near future to have a presence on at least FB and IG. I'm looking forward to the day when I can de-Zuck my social media traffic pattern like I've already de-Musked it.
(DIR) Post #AXBZtz3zMwTGJSB2Qa by thebatz@sigmoid.social
2023-06-29T14:05:59Z
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@stux I voted yes, as I am curious to see what happens, but now that I am thinking more about it I don't see any good reason to not defederate them from the start
(DIR) Post #AXBbNhpQ72vvV86Cm0 by fabiscafe@mstdn.social
2023-06-29T14:22:43Z
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@stux [x] I'd want this poll after more information is available. Currently I i don't see any reason to welcome them, because i don't know anything about the project, but I i know Facebook. So I assume it will be not beneficial and can be blocked. But because in dont know anything I might be completely wrong, yet the decision is over because the poll was done yet, not later.Tl;dr It's too early to vote in a meaningful way, a vote because I hate facebook however would work. 😉
(DIR) Post #AXBlNnDp3gnblqC2oS by taatm@mathstodon.xyz
2023-06-29T16:14:43Z
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@stux @DataDrivenMD Please don’t block Meta. The point is an open protocol and I’d love to be able to keep up with my aunts and uncles WITHOUT logging into Facebook.The world is full of different people and I have little tolerance for hard-liners. Harm begets harm y’all.
(DIR) Post #AXBr9yxjD7WvqzSlyC by freakrho@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-06-29T17:19:25Z
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@stux what makes me weary is the precedent of other companies adopting open source projects and dismantling them, I think the most important part is mastodon itself not chasing after meta or other companies in order to mantain compatibility because that will completely stop progressat no point can we take promises from a corporation
(DIR) Post #AXByTn4HqGhAR2vIRs by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-06-29T18:41:29Z
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@stux I'll switch server/instance if #NSAbook isn't being preemptively blocked from accessing on mstdn.social.Not just defederated, but completely blocked!I didn't move to the :fediverse: just to have to deal with #PRISM #snitches again...
(DIR) Post #AXBzdPw0o3qBXQCtcG by doublejay@mastodon.xyz
2023-06-29T18:54:24Z
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@stux why do people wnat to federate
(DIR) Post #AXEDhtnRVhLezA9LpQ by joshgammon@mstdn.social
2023-06-30T20:41:33Z
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@stux to me, it makes no sense to cut off so many people for no real reason.
(DIR) Post #AXGV3r4EQPkiQdygT2 by ain92ru@mastodon.social
2023-07-01T23:05:11Z
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@stux There is no choice but to federate actually https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/op-ed-why-the-great-twittermigration-didnt-quite-pan-out
(DIR) Post #AXHKzrOYSYbTu4ts7k by jacks@mastodon.cloud
2023-07-02T08:47:19Z
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@stux I’m not a fan of meta but for us, being proponents of a decentralised system, to block a group of users purely because of them being on Meta services seems backwards, protectionist and in poor spirits of the overall goal of the system.
(DIR) Post #AXKiP5Q2Kww13cTFtQ by Grutjes@mstdn.social
2023-07-03T23:53:46Z
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@stux It's very unfortunate, the timing of the massive Twitter influx and this. Without a doubt you'll be working your ass off right now.Not a great moment for big decisions I guess. Still, I really hope you'll join the Fedi Pact.Wishing you strength with all the work and decisions! (also when they don't roll my way)https://fedipact.online/
(DIR) Post #AXLV3LSstS5sCq47Y8 by cuteanimegirl@mstdn.social
2023-07-04T08:58:53Z
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@stux Do we want for the fedivrse to take off?Then we must accept at some point all big tech compnies will have their own servers.Fighting a inevitable step for the grow of the fediverse will just increase the chances the entire network fails to becme a true alternative.It will also frustate users who joined a instnce that cant interact with other big instnces,and make them completely leave the fedivrse.Defederating from other instnces should only be done in extrme cases https://calckey.social/notes/9fa862hz3a
(DIR) Post #AXLnPpY7WFFR3bNzVI by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-04T12:24:28Z
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@Grutjes I’m trying to keep up! 👌🏻♥️ When Threads will come online it will take some time before they start federating, they won’t federate with many instancee I believe so this FediPackt doesn’t really do a thing since the chance is small Meta will ever federate with those platforms I thinkI’m keeping an close eye on the situation and take action when the time comes 🥰👌🏻
(DIR) Post #AXLnvMaWjPneVCY1B2 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-04T12:30:11Z
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@Grutjes Also.. I'm not really fond of to be listed between people who are okay with hate campaigns against others who think differently, but ONLY then it suits themI'll pass and take the mature way :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AXLoJMAlvZLGADwScS by Grutjes@mstdn.social
2023-07-04T12:34:42Z
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@stux Fedipact, not fedipack :)I'm not sure if I understand?If you mean you don't want to defederate from Meta, then why the poll?If you mean you may defederate, then why not join, or maybe join later if you're still doubting? You have a big instance, so it would be a massive help and strengthen our common action to protect the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AXLooME5mK15J6HFdQ by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-04T12:40:11Z
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@Grutjes Like the poll also said 😉 It's for an indication what the people think and not binding ---Like my previous post said: the chance Meta will federate with us is highly unlikley so im not gonna add myself to a list where people seem to wanna do everything to get their way pushed..It's not black or white
(DIR) Post #AXLosstwEfrPny0cjY by Grutjes@mstdn.social
2023-07-04T12:41:07Z
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@stux Ah, crosspost, I was still answering your other reaction.What people are making hate campaigns against who, and where?Could you give an example please? And is this really big enough to break solidarity?I've seen these allegations serveral times now, but never saw any examples of it. Maybe I just missed them, I'm sure you see more posts than me. But well, I don't mean to sound rude, but I actually did see some people blackening the name of people that want to defederate from Meta...
(DIR) Post #AXLp79MXpU04ugBx3I by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-04T12:43:38Z
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@Grutjes Ah Mastodon! :blobcatgiggle: I'm not gonna call any names or screenshot stuff since it's very painful.. But a major dev almost quit the Fedi, and from 2 other admins i know they got (dead) threads and almost gave up on the whole masto thingThere where groups that wanted to DM as many ppl as they could with false info and spreading hate that was supported by certain instance admins
(DIR) Post #AXLpdOhwJPsvluZlQm by Grutjes@mstdn.social
2023-07-04T12:49:24Z
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@stux If this is true it's very bad. And I do understand your reluctancy to screenshot or link - this is not Twitter, we don't want to add oil to the fire.And of course, I'm just some random guy interfering.But I do care.Maybe in a DM?
(DIR) Post #AXLrJYl5QxdJ3niSvo by msteenhagen@provo.lol
2023-07-04T13:08:05Z
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@stux @Grutjes I'm happy about how you're handling this, @stux. Even if you ended up not pre-emptively blocking, I'm confident you'd remain vigilant and open about how your instances will or won't get caught up with #metaBut that #meta won’t federate with any instances at first, and not with many in the long run only mean people on Threads can't follow other fedi people, right? It wouldn't prevent fedizens following Threads people. Or do I miss something? (Will #Meta have AUTHORIZED_FETCH?)
(DIR) Post #AXMLFFVw2UzaqEURAu by moira@mastodon.murkworks.net
2023-07-04T18:43:40Z
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@stux everyone keeps forgetting that there are layers of defederation and that matters.My plan has been to start by keeping them out of the Federated feed but not stop people from following users there. Assuming
(DIR) Post #AXMLRyMf71NvPxDflI by chewbacca@mstdn.ca
2023-07-04T18:45:47Z
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@stux I think we should be welcoming and accept that just like we have @gmail.com and @hotmail.com and @whatevermail.com we will also have @threads.net accounts. Because someone is a Meta user, I don't think we should punish them. No sane person is going to want their email servers to refuse mail from Google or Microsoft, and if the majority of users live on Threads it will really harm a local server not to let their users see them. My 2c
(DIR) Post #AXMQipnyglLLZ4r8KG by mechawatts@toot.community
2023-07-04T19:43:39Z
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@stux Meta has demonstrated that it is likely to exploit any trust given to it.
(DIR) Post #AXO9ivjhKNV73SEYLo by derek@toot.thedoodleproject.net
2023-07-05T15:43:58Z
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@stux really unfortunate seeing so many #mastoadmin folks cutting off their noses just to spite their face
(DIR) Post #AXOBFeu328PiMHFFMO by Herman@mastodon.world
2023-07-05T16:01:03Z
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@stux Meta’s track record is severely contaminated with carelessness and contempt of user data. Rather a bad idea to infect the Fediverse with these data robbers. https://www.npr.org/2021/04/09/986005820/after-data-breach-exposes-530-million-facebook-says-it-will-not-notify-users
(DIR) Post #AXOCY00fOiKazDeMiG by theLastTheorist@mastodon.social
2023-07-05T16:15:38Z
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@stux I voted yes/maybe later but then the Threads data access demands were posted, so I would say it's already "later."
(DIR) Post #AXOE0MORrxxsTDrSXA by stefan@stefanbohacek.online
2023-07-05T16:31:51Z
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@stux Interesting results. I'd also love to see a version of this poll for server admins.
(DIR) Post #AXOF0UuYIgR4qGVUMi by freeschool@qoto.org
2023-07-05T16:43:19Z
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@stefan @stux Hmm that might be doing too much homework for the opposition and showing weaknesses... ...privately between ya'll *maybe*.
(DIR) Post #AXOGPdVBb3VsgDC1S4 by Twitter_expat@mastodon.world
2023-07-05T16:58:48Z
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@stux It’s interesting the sentiment around Meta’s #Fediverse adventure.
(DIR) Post #AXOHaZrBac0KVwGRYO by wiredfire@mas.to
2023-07-05T17:12:04Z
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@stux so much for an open web.. 😜I get it's a contentious issue and I agree with the concerns.. but what's the real benefit of blocking when the majority of our posts are fully, no log on required, publicly visible already? What privacy are we protecting there?Blocking also shuts off the likely large numbers of new users from being able too explore and experience the fediverse and THAT is a crying shame.
(DIR) Post #AXOaooyS4yC0aBAUuO by pieselpriemel@mastodon.online
2023-07-05T20:35:03Z
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@stux Ok 5th time now. Can the notification that the poll is over stop coming in here.😱
(DIR) Post #AXOctF7d0GPikIhFc8 by Neilh90@mstdn.social
2023-07-05T21:10:44Z
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@stux the fear is real huh
(DIR) Post #AXOekBYd5Q9mzc8R2O by neferimhotep@hcommons.social
2023-07-05T21:31:05Z
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@stux Wow, almost 9k voted in this big sample. 😀@Gargron When was the last time a parliament/congress of a Western democracy had such a clear majority on an issue?!?#FediBlockMeta#BlockMetaWelcome all individuals who adhere to the instance's rules they register on and the laws of its country of residence, as well as to the Human Rights Convention.https://mstdn.social/@stux/110622583732793662
(DIR) Post #AXOqRt2mNdKLoLHK7s by randynose@fosstodon.org
2023-07-05T23:42:45Z
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@stuxLook, the main instance I use is Fostodon, years ago when I picked it, they already stated they filtered certain things out. I was good with that. I do have accounts on other instances, some of them because I really like the administrators, and to see how much of a difference the experience is on the fediverse. But I have no desire to have an account that is connected to Facebook. I love my corner of the web filled with wonderful weirdos. #my2cents
(DIR) Post #AyOjsnOypJenAxt1Oq by galacticstone@mastodon.social
2025-09-20T12:55:54Z
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@stux Hard NO. Any Meta instances will be blocked immediately.
(DIR) Post #AyOrGNikewQi9lKOxc by stux@mstdn.social
2025-09-20T14:18:38Z
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@galacticstone It’s been a long time since then, and a lot happened! They are blocked on all instances I host for some time now
(DIR) Post #AyOwYAvtRXVrTimMU4 by galacticstone@mastodon.social
2025-09-20T15:17:48Z
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@stux The idea of Meta spreading it's tendrils around the Fediverse worries me. Meta will always seek to dominate and control everything it touches.And, this might be a hot take, but at this late stage in the game, everyone knows what Meta stands for and I question the moral/ethical character of anyone who would still use a Meta platform. I'm don't even want those people around me.If somebody wants to experience the Fedi, just use Mastodon and reject the Meta option in the first place. :)