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(DIR) Post #AX6k6kzx0AZcCrDZnk by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T00:52:41Z
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The thing that saddens me the most about the whole fedi/meta drama is a thing I can't prove, but that I think is likely because I've worked in these kinds of tech companies.The notion that Meta is looking to embrace/extend/extinguish the fediverse is laughable. The entire fedi userbase is a rounding error for Meta. They arent looking to take down the fediverse, they're trying to take down TWITTER. They want the celebs and journalists back. Take advantage of Twitter's tarnished reputation.
(DIR) Post #AX6k6mtdwaiU5sHZFQ by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T00:55:54Z
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I can virtually guarantee that "let's join the fediverse!" wasn't Mark Zuckerberg's idea.It was probably some engineer that likes the fediverse concept, who had this long-shot idea. Everyone said the top brass would never go for it, but they put together a slide deck and presented federation as a powerful tool to take down Twitter together.And against all odds, the executive team went for it.
(DIR) Post #AX6k6ovUOhNiOBA4P2 by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T00:59:52Z
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That engineer probably became the lead for the whole effort to federate. Reached out to some big admins to ask ActivityPub questions. Wanted to show mockups to ask the experts if ActivityPub could support their designs, so an NDA was standard.That engineer stuck their neck out to solve their employer's business need while also supporting open tech. Put their reputation on the line to do what they thought was good for fedi and bring millions of users.The response must be humiliating.
(DIR) Post #AX6k6qhjmnZNu6k7FI by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T01:01:19Z
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Again, can't prove this. Maybe it's exactly as the detractors say, Meta just wants to crush the fediverse.But having been in the industry as long as I have I can virtually guarantee that's not what happened, and that it's far more likely an employee or a team went to bat for this place and we made them look like fucking idiots.
(DIR) Post #AX7HfqeHHZPuLzQAb2 by MyLittleMetroid@sfba.social
2023-06-27T01:35:54Z
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@rodhilton I think folks misunderstand how embrace/extend/extinguish works. It’s usually not something that is planned but rather something that happens due to the inexorable logic of corporate capitalism.
(DIR) Post #AX7HgUPRS9JhfYmt1c by matthieu_xyz@calckey.social
2023-06-27T02:13:53.467Z
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@MyLittleMetroid@sfba.social @rodhilton@mastodon.social EEE was specifically invented by Microsoft and used purposefully. It also was targeted toward closed source competition not just open source and finally it almost never worked against open source. Microsoft tried to kill Java, JS, the open web, office documents, etc. All of them are still here.EEE isn't exactly an easy strategy with a high rate of success. It's more like a convulated strategy that almost never work.
(DIR) Post #AX7HgbEi4RtKqIoulk by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T02:26:07Z
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@matthieu_xyz @MyLittleMetroid fantastic point. People keep citing FB dropping XMPP as an EEE example and the truth is far more boring: people stopping using XMPP after the iPhone put text messaging in everyone's pockets, so Facebook dropped support (supporting something costs money).Meta has done nefarious shit but a lot of the stuff they've been accused of doing lately is giving them way too much credit.
(DIR) Post #AX7Hn5hfhvv54XSiiu by ML2@akkoma.sandhill.social
2023-06-27T12:24:26.593530Z
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@rodhilton I agree with everything except the "we made them look like idiots" part. If anything, those people may have just made *us* look like idiots.
(DIR) Post #AX7I1SNGDO0dRFlV6u by rushraptor@babka.social
2023-06-27T02:06:48Z
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@rodhilton couldn't they do that with Instagram already?
(DIR) Post #AX7I1TBxAuYhyTTz7o by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T02:27:21Z
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@rushraptor I just think it serves a different audience/market. Insta is still very image based, and not ideal for text threads or conversations. That's why people still use Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AX7I4lxrpo6B49T888 by freakazoid@retro.social
2023-06-27T03:21:14Z
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@rodhilton Indeed. Destroying the Fediverse will just be collateral damage.I suspect they're also trying to head off Bluesky and Nostr just in case they end up going somewhere.
(DIR) Post #AX7I4melGKPTDBXNzM by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T03:27:20Z
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@freakazoid I honestly think if the fediverse pushes them out they'll just implement the AT protocol instead, federate with bluesky, and Mastodon will get destroyed all the same
(DIR) Post #AX7I95MDftE0Mzuqem by accretionist@techhub.social
2023-06-27T04:35:02Z
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@rodhilton does embrace extend extinguish even work with decentralization?assume meta has mass success with whatever it does with activitypub. and? what is already here is not going awayin the old world: i buy cool independent app. then microsoft buys it, mucks with it, ruins it: i'm stuck. i have to accept the new "better" appthat can't happen hereeverything anyone does in a decentralized domain is only additive. nothing is replaced. meta adds crap to activitypub? ok. somewhere exists crap. doesn't effect the fediverse. they can't buy/ replace the fediversethey could pump interest and money and make something substantially larger than the fediverse in terms of content and users. yes. so a "steal your thunder" scenario. but the fediverse is unchanged
(DIR) Post #AX7I967ipHDqkK8mhM by rodhilton@mastodon.social
2023-06-27T04:39:01Z
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@accretionist really glad you said this, I was thinking about this too...the level of fear people have of Meta joining the fediverse is so strange because it sort of betrays a lack of confidence in the entire selling point of decentralization. If a single company with ill intent can destroy the whole thing (intentionally or not) then uh, it's not doing the thing it was designed to do.
(DIR) Post #AX7IAZgcOiCsiuARE0 by noondlyt@mstdn.social
2023-06-27T01:13:10Z
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@rodhilton It's another potential free revenue stream. They don't want to destroy it. They want to exploit it by having one of their tentacles wrapped around it. And, yes, they want to do this before twitter does.
(DIR) Post #AX7IAaeWny83iiCHbc by ablackcatstail@goblackcat.net
2023-06-27T01:19:01Z
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@noondlyt @rodhilton Which just proves the point that Meta has nefarious intentions. Given the company's awful history, it's folly to expect anything else. Meta will not be federating with my instance as long as I'm A) Alive or B) Able to continue to run my own.
(DIR) Post #AX7IAbM8Br0Vtwb6ZM by noondlyt@mstdn.social
2023-06-27T01:22:42Z
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@ablackcatstail @rodhilton Same church, same pew. I just look at their history and know exactly what is coming down the road...with their users. Those that are toxic and bent on destruction of anything that has the appearance of a functional supportive community.
(DIR) Post #AX7IAbwI1Pvli5Vyvg by ablackcatstail@goblackcat.net
2023-06-27T01:25:47Z
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@noondlyt @rodhilton Well put!
(DIR) Post #AX7IAcc7VtOJnp5O88 by msbellows@c.im
2023-06-27T04:58:26Z
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@ablackcatstail @noondlyt @rodhilton You all realize you're just talking about humanity, right? Individuals can be wonderful. Families can be wonderful. Small businesses and small communities can mostly be wonderful. But some humans are broken, and any enterprise that gets large enough to be impactful and efficient will include some broken individuals, who skew it.That's true of Facebook. That's true of the Fediverse. That's true of our governments. That's true of your high school. It's not the tech. It's the humanity.
(DIR) Post #AX7SQCkoQUhRm6DkbQ by kingu@mstdn.social
2023-06-27T14:23:31Z
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@rodhilton I believe you are right.
(DIR) Post #AX7UDBLuWgLnZUUWbw by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2023-06-27T14:39:58Z
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@kingu @rodhilton They can still EEE ActivityPub in the process, as a means instead of an end.
(DIR) Post #AX7UDCrUujDAFkHGU4 by kingu@mstdn.social
2023-06-27T14:43:29Z
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@hypolite @rodhilton They can sill (and probably will) EEE, but I agree it might not be the main goal Taking over the Twitter people is the goal, the Fediverse people are both unreachable and mostly worthless (for them).Would be like Microsoft trying to get the Debian people to switch to windows.