Post AX5ELO2BGwkjdZEWgq by matthieu_xyz@calckey.social
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(DIR) Post #AX4InbMNWgxPjWQizw by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T01:51:35Z
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I'm taking bets on how long the #Fediverse has left, now that #Meta convinced the biggest #Mastodon instance admins to sign NDAs.
(DIR) Post #AX4J8sbuaI6pJeqFpg by nicemicro@fosstodon.org
2023-06-26T01:55:24Z
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@jeena well I guess they don't want their half-baked house of horrors to be presented to the world... yet.But that won't stop the Fediverse. Just like how Microsoft couldn't kill Linux.
(DIR) Post #AX4JVwCVOzT36xx9lY by aka_quant_noir@cinematheque.social
2023-06-26T01:59:33Z
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@jeena It's likely of no consequence.
(DIR) Post #AX4Ke1Fabwep2loTJI by ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch
2023-06-26T02:06:58Z
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@nicemicro @jeena > "I'm taking bets on how long the #Fediverse has left, now that #Meta convinced the biggest #Mastodon instance admins to sign NDAs."Signing Facebook's NDAs might be a death knell for those instances. And that will probably drive a lot of other #ActivityPub instances to #Fediblock those Facebook-compatible ActivityPub instances. And that would disconnect quite a large population of people from the #Fediverse at large, which would make it much less fun and interesting to use for the people outside of the Facebook network (let's call ourselves the "outlaws").But the outlaws will still have their own separate network, and it could still grow, and it could still be pay-per-user or pay-what-you-can-afford (no ads). The degree to which the outlaw network can thrive depends on the number of people who commit to the #Fediblock movement, so lets make it a large number.And I have not even mentioned the wider fediverse of non-ActivityPub services, which is smaller but still vibrant — pubnix (public-access Unix servers), the tildes, the Gopher/Gemeni servers, any self-hosted HTTP servers, etc.
(DIR) Post #AX4Ke2XLpOSX298AdM by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T02:12:14Z
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@ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro so you're saying that it might happen that it goes only "embrace, extend" but the "extinguish" might not happen?I could only agree with that if we agree that XMPP is alive and vibrant and well now, even after Facebook and Google took a liking to it.
(DIR) Post #AX4LKYKO1KLznHL2OW by ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch
2023-06-26T02:19:55Z
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@jeena @nicemicro > "so you're saying that it might happen that it goes only "embrace, extend" but the "extinguish" might not happen?"I am definitely concerned about the EEE strategy which #Meta is absolutely carrying-on with right now. This is another reason why I strongly believe we need as many #ActivityPub instances admins to agree to #Fedipact However the realy threat is not that the #fediverse will dissapear, only that some #ActivityPub communities will be destroyed, in particular #Mastodon #Kbin and #Lemmy , because these are the ones that #Meta would be targetting.The biggest short-term issue is that #Meta is targetting the instances that new, non-technically-inclined users would go to first to sign up. So the rest of the outlaw fediverse will probably see our exponential grown level off quite a lot as a result. We need to raise awareness about that.
(DIR) Post #AX4MseoWVmbFi5GEXw by Cyclone1070@mstdn.social
2023-06-26T02:37:17Z
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@jeena fill me up please, which instances, how did you know if what they signed was NDAs?
(DIR) Post #AX4N4xgmA0lPj0VJtw by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T02:39:32Z
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@Cyclone1070 https://433.world/@Yuvalne/110566872225488614
(DIR) Post #AX4NiVnHIEtsnEP8SW by stonedonkey@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T02:46:39Z
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@jeena which instances agreed.. I have no desire to be part of this awful experiment?
(DIR) Post #AX4NjzsQvjgmNrWYGe by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T02:46:58Z
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@stonedonkey https://433.world/@Yuvalne/110566872225488614
(DIR) Post #AX4OKL7DRZCsg8lfbU by tenaciouswisdom@freeatlantis.com
2023-06-26T02:53:30Z
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@jeena Individual users have the ability to block meta at the push of a button. 99% of people who are on the fediverse left Facebook, because we know who they are and the many shitty things they do.They will launch it. They will get torn a new asshole as soon as they federate. It shall be glorious.
(DIR) Post #AX4P8Qh2ylnySQPd2G by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T03:02:34Z
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@tenaciouswisdom I hope you're correct, but with that amount of money they have comes a lot of power over a lot of people running the fediverse. Once they divide us it's much easier to conquer, and they seem to have easy time dividing us.
(DIR) Post #AX4POr4efDZCuRHrAO by stonedonkey@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T03:05:32Z
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@jeena well hell guess it's time to do my first server migration.After watching the whole Reddit debacle and how those devs were treated I can't believe anyone would think Meta would be any different.It's insanity to engage with them.
(DIR) Post #AX4Qu2H9AP9Sa6YuBc by tenaciouswisdom@freeatlantis.com
2023-06-26T03:22:21Z
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@jeena Big instances have probably already been bought off with their owners long gone. Now meta staff are running the instances assuming their identities. Once people start catching on. There will be a mass exodus to new instances.The funny thing about the fediverse, it's beyond easy to switch instances. You will see new hosting providers dedicated to helping people run their own new instances too.You can divide a fractal, but all you get is more fractals. This is how the fediverse works.
(DIR) Post #AX4R6AkvSlnUMEHJ0S by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T03:24:34Z
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@tenaciouswisdom beyond easy if you don't care about your archive of your posts, which a lot of people do care about, including me. (And this is why I set up my own single user instance from the start)
(DIR) Post #AX4RiChafwDBOiqwBE by tenaciouswisdom@freeatlantis.com
2023-06-26T03:31:26Z
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@jeena They most likely already went through similar emotional turmoil when they deleted their Facebook accounts to came over to the fediverse before. It's like pulling off a bandaid. It will sting for about 10 seconds and then the pain from pulling it off is over. You can't leave it on forever.The vast majority of people in the fediverse already know what must be done. They will pull that bandaid off and be good as new. Rather than face have to go back to anything run by meta ever again.
(DIR) Post #AX4Rp52ZYk7Jf9wi1o by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T03:32:41Z
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@tenaciouswisdom haha that's a good analogy.
(DIR) Post #AX4U3yEhL9K0oMqTw0 by nicemicro@fosstodon.org
2023-06-26T03:57:47Z
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@jeena Was XMPP thriving and vibrant before Facebook and Google took a liking of it?
(DIR) Post #AX4UH9mdiav2OE0clc by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T04:00:10Z
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@nicemicro it was in a similar position as the fediverse is today. That is why they are taking a liking of it. It's a strategy they have been following for ever to stomp out the competition before it can get too big.
(DIR) Post #AX4Vq57f8hB61X3lIG by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T04:10:50Z
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@ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro @jeena This is possibly the most ridiculous notion I've ever seen. Signing an NDA for a meeting doesn't mean that instance/admin has committed to *anything* apart from *not talking about the contents of a conversation*.If there's a potential threat to the fediverse, and you can get told about it under NDA, there's two choices: Sign the NDA and know and prepare, or don't sign the NDA, and get blindsided by the Mack truck you had no idea about.
(DIR) Post #AX4Vq6JOiY9viDYeDw by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T04:11:01Z
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@ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro @jeena Anyone who cares about the fediverse seriously and had the offer signed the NDA. People posturing about refusing it only hurt their own community by ensuring they're less prepared.
(DIR) Post #AX4Vq6yAGyljkedClc by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T04:13:50Z
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@ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro @jeena If you trust those admins, you can be sure they will use that information to help the fediverse and make good decisions for the community to be prepared for an upcoming thing.If you don't trust those admins, the fact that they "signed an NDA" doesn't matter, because they never had to tell you in the first place... and like... they can just lie to you.So NDAs are completely immaterial except for being a fun topic to make stupid conspiracy drama about.
(DIR) Post #AX4Vq7m9H8keFg17g0 by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T04:17:39Z
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@ocdtrekkie @ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro Oh I definitely don't thrust those admins
(DIR) Post #AX4W9xmM9VlJ2VZelc by me@social.jlamothe.net
2023-06-26T04:19:55Z
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@jeena If worst cones to worst, we'll defederate from their crap and rebuild.
(DIR) Post #AX4W9yri75dgPP5Rke by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T04:21:16Z
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@me no worries, they will change the protocol in a way so we can't keep up with the implementation and then we can start over ;)
(DIR) Post #AX4WhOdVJpQBtMNMH2 by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T04:27:18Z
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@jeena @ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro Then, again, them signing an NDA never mattered anyways. Because you aren't necessarily going to believe anything they tell you anyways.
(DIR) Post #AX4X3Efn2flzMXrIoq by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T04:31:16Z
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@ocdtrekkie @ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro Not sure why you thing the NDA is such a central thing, the NDA and the willingness to do things in hiding is just a first sign where things are going from now on in the fediverse. And the direction is what I don't like because I left Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and joined the fediverse to get away from them and they try to turn this space to what they have to make money.If I want to interact with Instagram I can do that very well on Instagram.
(DIR) Post #AX4X9tgnSQyYJGVRE8 by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T04:32:27Z
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@jeena @ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro What willingness to "do things in hiding"? Signing an NDA is an agreement to *hear* things. Even journalists accept NDAs and embargoes, because choosing not to know at all is *stupid*.
(DIR) Post #AX4XJgwNiB6vfNSxI8 by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T04:34:15Z
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@ocdtrekkie @ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro Ok, let's agree to disagree, I can't explain it better right now, perhaps some time in the future.
(DIR) Post #AX4XMimHL0jgEUBXe4 by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T04:34:46Z
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@jeena @ramin_hal9001 @nicemicro Sure, my metaphorical door is always open.
(DIR) Post #AX4kh7Ryc9cnwtkIym by VikingKong@pl.starnix.network
2023-06-26T07:04:05.017636Z
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@jeena Fediverse is not only Mastodon, and Mastodon is the worst part of it. “The biggest Mastodon instance”, I take it, you mean mastodon.social? It’s already Twitter at it’s worst. So I think, it can be the death of Mastodon, not Fediverse which will be a good riddance.
(DIR) Post #AX4kxU3GLnx2gAzOsK by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T07:07:06Z
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@VikingKong I kind of agree, but when I tried to defederate from mastodon.social I got so many friends of mine upset and they chimed in and in long discussions convinced me that I should keep federating with it. So yeah, in the end it's like losing connection to friends from facebook because you don't log in there anymore.
(DIR) Post #AX4kyfPRbm4OC6ve5I by lina@eientei.org
2023-06-26T07:07:14.600696Z
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@jeena sucks to suck, meta won't want to have anything to do with this side of fedi, your fault for not being racist, transphobic and unprofessional
(DIR) Post #AX4vaXWUNRDkHTvCrI by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-06-26T08:38:07Z
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@Theriac @nicemicro @jeena @ramin_hal9001 If this is a gamergate comment, can we just not?All journalists balance things like embargoes and off-the-record conversations in the pursuit of the story. It's a tool in the toolbox, and there's nothing unethical about it.Do you expect every conversation you have to be public record?
(DIR) Post #AX4vaYHHZSeQcboZnM by nicemicro@fosstodon.org
2023-06-26T09:03:59Z
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@ocdtrekkie @Theriac @jeena @ramin_hal9001 at these point please stop ating me, as the conversation strayed very far from my interest.thanks.
(DIR) Post #AX4vaZ2miqeGzw2Vpw by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T09:06:11Z
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@nicemicro @ocdtrekkie @Theriac @ramin_hal9001 same for me
(DIR) Post #AX5AkGNSTfqtJSnBDM by lps@masto.1146.nohost.me
2023-06-26T11:56:00Z
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@jeena I hope the fedi block forces a hard break between large, meta friendly instances and smaller communities...seems like we have very different goals.
(DIR) Post #AX5BBZmqQD6rKSgrKa by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T12:00:59Z
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@lps Yeah we do indeed but I already failed to defederate from mastodon.social one time, not sure how it will go next time ...
(DIR) Post #AX5ELO2BGwkjdZEWgq by matthieu_xyz@calckey.social
2023-06-26T12:24:56.751Z
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@jeena@toot.jeena.net ActivityPub will die the day IRC will die.
(DIR) Post #AX5ELOfAvxwdaVTfTE by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-26T12:36:22Z
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@matthieu_xyz I see you're voting for the 3rd option then 🤣
(DIR) Post #AX5aunErkgxKw1SGga by frankmseattle@mindly.social
2023-06-26T16:49:15Z
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@jeena irrelevant. Other servers can just defederate #Meta servers.
(DIR) Post #AX5zRpE9mGAvYgPIG0 by flatchulancelot@cupoftea.social
2023-06-26T21:24:05Z
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@jeena I’m going to force myself to be optimistic and say that Meta can only claw so many instances. The way the fediverse is set up I think it would be impossible for them to totally decimate the place. That being said, I do think we need to watch them and take note on which instances are pro meta; I don’t think it’s a good idea to dismiss/ignore them either.
(DIR) Post #AX6Z0HMNBVEd3FPkRs by josephholsten@mstdn.social
2023-06-27T04:02:31Z
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@jeena You need to understand that there are people who still make replacement ink sacs for fountain pens from the 1919. The original equipment was from one manufacturer who supplied essentially all American pen companies. It went out of business in 1986. The equipment bought by a few pen nerds who learned how to operate it from original staff. This tiny company still makes the majority of ink sacs outside china.Nerds can make anything last forever.
(DIR) Post #AX9Hn5AG6FqXiVkW5A by fredds@mamot.fr
2023-06-28T11:33:48Z
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@jeena oh, you've got a poll with a total result of 101% 🤔
(DIR) Post #AXC6ZeouDiyUE12NSS by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-29T20:12:16Z
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@fredds 71% + 20% + 9% = 100%, what numbers did you get?
(DIR) Post #AXC9VgPcesh5rq0XwG by fredds@mamot.fr
2023-06-29T20:45:09Z
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@jeena 9 26 and 66 🤔
(DIR) Post #AXC9gAXZUtGsCij4ZU by fredds@mamot.fr
2023-06-29T20:45:39Z
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@jeena
(DIR) Post #AXC9gCE9E4vFR3eaZc by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2023-06-29T20:47:02Z
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@fredds wow that's so interesting, you also have a different number of how many people voted.
(DIR) Post #AXC9qQU14sKMXrxDKS by fredds@mamot.fr
2023-06-29T20:48:54Z
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@jeena humm, interesting...