Post AX0aeusM8NQ68WsiQq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
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(DIR) Post #AWzwvw8igws2oT63fc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-23T23:27:39Z
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I've been meaning to comment on the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact, but @mako has worded the objections to it much better than I could have:https://www.loomio.com/d/AZcJK6y2/discussion-support-the-anti-meta-fedi-pact/88To add to this points, I want to encourage every supporting pre-emptive blocks to look at that from the POV of our relationships with people using fediverse servers owned by DataFarms, rather than our antipathy to their owners.#fediverse #Meta #Barcelona #AntiMediaFediPact
(DIR) Post #AWzx6vHoClmNLraQsq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-23T23:29:39Z
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Our whole complaint about Meta et al has been that people are trapped in their DataFarms. Unable to connect with people on other services, and therefore unable to leave the server without losing all their connections there. If they finally start federating with the rest of the social web, and we block those servers, then it's *us* keeping those people trapped there. That seems like a terrible failure of solidarity.@mako
(DIR) Post #AWzxLbpGq9FfLAF0Nc by kabrams@union.place
2023-06-23T23:32:16Z
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@strypey @mako thank you for eloquently expressing a concern I hadn't wrote been able to put my finger on that's definitely been a factor in my personal decisions here.
(DIR) Post #AWzzJFgsMrrS1AJnO4 by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-06-23T23:54:17Z
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@strypey @mako Sadly I feel FB will do everything it can to keep people trapped.
(DIR) Post #AX0K5g15n0WEeM8tIe by tetrislife@qoto.org
2023-06-24T03:47:02Z
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@strypey sorry, how does connecting with other networks relate to moving services with connections intact?#XMPP has #XEP, for servers to specify what features they support. Unless AP servers start enforcing that supported #FEP s be specified, you don't know that a new kid (bully?) on the block will both federate and support account portability (or when they stop supporting something).
(DIR) Post #AX0XiXCZnMZw0dNC0O by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-24T06:19:50Z
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@Oozenet> FB will do everything it can to keep people trappedThat would be consistent with previous actions, but it's no argument for doing their work for them, as the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact would.If I was a PR company working for Meta, an AP service and an AstroTurf opposition is exactly the kind of scheme I'd dream up. What better way to deal with the threat of a federated web to Meta's dominance? Induce *us* to be the ones refusing interoperability with *them*. Genius.@mako
(DIR) Post #AX0aeusM8NQ68WsiQq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-24T06:52:47Z
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@tetrislife> how does connecting with other networks relate to moving services with connections intact?You set up a new account on a different server. You can still find and interact with all the same people. ID portability would be even better, for sure, and full data portability better still. But we've never had either in the verse, and it hasn't stopped us celebrating how the freedom to change servers helps keep admins honest.
(DIR) Post #AX0u3QSKGmT89y6fpI by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-06-24T10:30:05Z
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@strypey @mako My position is that it should be up to individuals to decide if they want to block things, not instance admins. Otherwise we are just heading back down the path of a centralised elite making decisions for others.If an instance wants to have a vote of members about whether to defederate meta I'm for that.I'm not for admins deciding.
(DIR) Post #AX0uHbDV3dtbaWvkFk by Zergling_man@birds.garden
2023-06-24T10:32:45.702595Z
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@Oozenet @mako @strypey Says the massoc
(DIR) Post #AX0uNjoA1p0hyH0O9Y by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-06-24T10:33:44Z
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@Zergling_man @strypey @mako what's a massoc?
(DIR) Post #AX0uOBMTaLVDQWGftA by Zergling_man@birds.garden
2023-06-24T10:33:57.255732Z
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@Oozenet @mako @strypey mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AX0uYm6DqjsYGMiTGi by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-06-24T10:35:47Z
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@Zergling_man @strypey @mako ok. But I don't understand what you mean by "says the massoc?"
(DIR) Post #AX0ucYPSgoJ6xnW8kC by Zergling_man@birds.garden
2023-06-24T10:36:32.409704Z
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@Oozenet @mako @strypey massoc makes a huge number of moderation decisions on behalf of its members with no consultation or notice.
(DIR) Post #AX0uoHxzeMtrRQGU08 by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-06-24T10:38:31Z
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@Zergling_man @strypey @mako So far I am happy with their moderation choices (that I know of). I am keenly waiting to hear what they decide to do re meta.
(DIR) Post #AX0v9lHrpeecSUneGe by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-06-24T10:41:44Z
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@Zergling_man @strypey @mako I presume they are making moderation decisions based on the policies they laid out, because that is what I agreeded to abide by when I joined. If they aren't I would be most obliged to anyone who shares that info.
(DIR) Post #AX1q6PLod4MUwWBiMK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-24T21:20:33Z
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@Oozenet> I'm not for admins decidingThis is an entirely separate discussion.@mako
(DIR) Post #AX21DtDj4Y0L6XArey by Oozenet@mastodon.social
2023-06-24T23:25:05Z
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@strypey @mako Unless they are taking votes the fedipact is admins deciding.
(DIR) Post #AXJXCRYdQBEXIiIkjo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-07-03T10:13:32Z
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@Oozenet> Unless they are taking votes the fedipact is admins decidingWhat admins choose to block or not block is entirely up to them. Although it has implications for their members and for the rest of the verse, so we're entitled to hold them accountable for their blocking decisions.But that's an entirely separate discussion from the one this thread is about; whether the Anti-Meta Fedi Block is a good strategy for dealing with corporate entryism in the verse.@mako