Post AWpXFu6rPqz18bXeHw by CynthesisToday@sfba.social
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(DIR) Post #AWpTwf9MVn0nNPqT0y by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:15:28Z
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I'm gonna try to clear up a few thingsMeta is not gonna buy Mastodon or any server, this is based on absolutely nothing and untrue.Yes, some of us indeed got contacted by Meta/Insta because they are working on a new social platform (this was in the news) and they are looking into joining the Fediverse (Mark Zuckerberg also told this in the recent podcast)SO.This contact was about a "heads-up" for a potential big platform to join the network and not for a "take over".[1/2]
(DIR) Post #AWpTyhHBZs8YYATUhc by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:15:35Z
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[2/2]People have asked me to 'preblock' this project but I am not gonna.Meta is not Gab so we give them a chance and can always block them later with 2 simple button clicks..We would never ever sell out on you but rather invest time to make this all go smooth without everything come crashing downI hope this clears up some mis-understandings
(DIR) Post #AWpU273MCD2fMfdRa4 by idoubtit@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:16:39Z
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@stux Thanks so much for the info. This is good to know!
(DIR) Post #AWpU4PPauTCgsl8CxM by JoeGrowling@todon.eu
2023-06-18T22:17:00Z
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@stux that decision won't age well.
(DIR) Post #AWpU912mw6tgkqf27E by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:17:53Z
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@JoeGrowling We'll see won't we? :ablobwink:
(DIR) Post #AWpUBAQp0K9ERtvbXc by The_Augusto@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:18:10Z
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@stux I just don't like how "Meta is not Gab" sounds a little too much like "this dragon is LESS BAD" to me. I don't want any dragons in my home.
(DIR) Post #AWpUEB5h0fMJMWTs4O by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:18:47Z
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@The_Augusto Well yeah it isWe know MetaBut we dont know their new platform so
(DIR) Post #AWpUFAwd2SwpCMiVY8 by JoeGrowling@todon.eu
2023-06-18T22:19:01Z
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@stux we will. Those of us that don't leave in disgust, at least.
(DIR) Post #AWpUGkId4lBL8gkwoC by fedi@masto.ai
2023-06-18T22:19:09Z
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@stux but we still don't know who they met and what was discussed. NDA was a bad idea to begin with.There are about 3 million active users of the fediverse and billion dollar company targeted, what five, six, ten individuals?
(DIR) Post #AWpUKhWbKkvtgyB46K by jbaert@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T22:20:00Z
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@stux I think this is the right stance. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AWpUM2NxGCKkgBlpeC by DamnCatOnMyDesk@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:20:13Z
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@stux Thanks for taking a less catastrophic outlook on this development.
(DIR) Post #AWpUMjSN7ePuGLAT0C by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:20:19Z
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@JoeGrowling Way to go!Keep it up! :clapping:
(DIR) Post #AWpUS2bdLwJN6L20cC by swansinflight@mastodon.nz
2023-06-18T22:21:14Z
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@stux @The_Augusto we do know what they have done on literally all their other platforms though and see no reason why this one would be any different.
(DIR) Post #AWpUTGD8Fvs1aM9Vya by JoeGrowling@todon.eu
2023-06-18T22:21:32Z
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@stux š¤ what are you saying?
(DIR) Post #AWpUU0qkqwtgEZ2o7c by serklarvel@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T22:21:39Z
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@stux I agree with your decision. In fact, Meta's Threads will be much more vulnerable to lose users to other instances once they learn how the #fediverse works. Why would I choose to be on a comercial plataform like Meta's, where I am exposed to ads all the time, if I can migrate to an instance which is ad-free?
(DIR) Post #AWpUVQIli201SdouMi by queue@todon.eu
2023-06-18T22:21:58Z
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@stux "Meta is not gab" yeah it only allows Nazis to propagate easily without fear of removal or ban, and allows data harvesting companies to collect so much that it has to investigated by Congress. Sure it's not ran by Nazis but it allows without question them free admission and publication.Meta is not our friend.
(DIR) Post #AWpUfMEpfirpkoiSki by ninonino@artsio.com
2023-06-18T22:23:40Z
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@stux Sounds level-headed and rational. Thanks for the info!
(DIR) Post #AWpUjlHQVc9cZv1tCK by Mustafa_Kulle@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T22:24:32Z
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@stux HA!This meta can dream on. They can never centralise what's decentralised. #mastodon will never be a data farm for meta.
(DIR) Post #AWpUlnungOW5KWQ73w by Danielsand@mastodon.online
2023-06-18T22:24:55Z
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@stux I appreciate the update. I hope that your gut instincts are right. Me? I donāt think Meta will ever be as evil as Gab. I fear they will pull a bait and switch on us. Try to be magnanimous . Openness. No advertising. Easy move to another server. Then once they are massively the most dominant player - they reverse all of that and lock down the server from cross posting, start bkmbadding with ads, make it harder to leave. I hope I am wrong.
(DIR) Post #AWpUnf8xGbAahivXai by SCampbell@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:25:14Z
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@stux Meta has not behaved ethically in the past. They have a really poor track record when it comes to users privacy. I hope Mastodon does not become just another social media site ruined by Meta.
(DIR) Post #AWpUoJyPSi61KtJCLY by brandnewmath@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:25:14Z
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@stux Have your finger over the block button, these people can't be trusted
(DIR) Post #AWpUpDc0bBS3tdG6Cm by demvoter@masto.ai
2023-06-18T22:25:20Z
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@stux appreciate your rationality on this. Preblocking them makes no sense to me. I stopped used FB years ago but turning off a spigot of 1B users is bananas when we are trying to get more people to join the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AWpUsXzXHiflyFqnTc by calculsoberic@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:26:06Z
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@stux Yes. Ok, thanks š šš
(DIR) Post #AWpUuu6K3Mqt7a9HKC by DemocracySpot@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:26:20Z
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@stux Cooler heads. No jerking knee detected. Thanx stux.
(DIR) Post #AWpV7MCjOKgfl15IUi by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-18T22:28:44Z
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@stux "we would never ever sell you out"Did you ask your users what they want?
(DIR) Post #AWpVB9o5QXCWSvMwqW by mentallyalex@beige.party
2023-06-18T22:29:19Z
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@stux know misunderstanding from my side but as a staunch user, I am very glad to hear this from the admin cast (class? :blobcatgiggle: )I have little interest in Facebook as a platform, but if there are quality people to engage with - I'm happy to judge them on their own merit.
(DIR) Post #AWpVBzPPZWMQVSDybY by mks_h@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:29:38Z
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@stux thanks for making a thoughtful decision. Though, I would like to ask if you signed any NDA with them? But knowing how companies operate, even the fact whether you signed it might be non-disclosable. I understand why NDA wouldn't be too big of an issue, and even a necessity, but I feel uneasy about such conversations happening privately. Because they concern all of us.
(DIR) Post #AWpVJSiuym4RS1uan2 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:30:49Z
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@mks_h No, i did not š nor did i attend the meeting (since i didnt sign)
(DIR) Post #AWpVKXGBb7tjoJz5o8 by KrisNeedsANap@masto.ai
2023-06-18T22:31:05Z
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@stuxSounds like a reasonable initial position. With eyes wide open and a finger on the block button.
(DIR) Post #AWpVLCfRe7SqEX7LN2 by unlofl@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:31:08Z
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@stux "...invest time to make this all go smooth without everything come crashing down"Yes, Meta wants you to invest time in making this go smoothly for them. They don't deserve that.
(DIR) Post #AWpVMMeC1jFBTV5MPo by erroddy@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T22:31:13Z
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@stux meta is not gab, of course.gab didn't ask activitypub devs to sign NDAs nor seek ways to collect data from fediverse to sell it.the main difference between gab and meta, is the amount of money meta can throw in one's face.
(DIR) Post #AWpVQn39nw1EWGsAMq by alex_02@infosec.exchange
2023-06-18T22:31:49Z
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@stux I just don't want to see the garbage that are on Meta come to Fediverse because this place has become my escape from the cancer that other platforms have become. If Meta joins who knows if other platforms ike Gab, Twitter, etc follow suit which will most likely ruin the Fediverse.Also, Zuckerberg is a dick.
(DIR) Post #AWpVRjRch83HcwlWYS by GreenFire@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:28:01Z
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@JoeGrowling @stux Inviting you to keep digging deeper it sure looks like to me.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_holes
(DIR) Post #AWpVRkOp91PIaYSnpY by JoeGrowling@todon.eu
2023-06-18T22:30:17Z
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@GreenFire @stux Digging deeper? Into the truth? Wait and see...
(DIR) Post #AWpVRl6QWuHklmrcnI by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:32:13Z
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@JoeGrowling @GreenFire Earth! :blobcatgiggle: Or space.. Or uh.. my bank account! š³ļø
(DIR) Post #AWpVa3lJ2SOWxPwWsC by JoeGrowling@todon.eu
2023-06-18T22:33:53Z
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@stux @GreenFire I figured that's what you had in mind.
(DIR) Post #AWpVesOyhdC9AknQ5A by fancysandwiches@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:34:51Z
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@stux hey Stux, thanks for finally posting something, I appreciate the clarity. I have a ton of concerns around Federating with Meta, and I think you should consider them. I know it's probably a big ask, but I wrote a blog post that I think would be useful to read, so at a minimum you can better understand folks concerns.https://www.cacherules.com/blog/2023/6/defederate-meta/
(DIR) Post #AWpVgs8ydK4ex2GOMC by mks_h@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:35:11Z
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@stux then I have nothing to fear being on this server, with such a principal admin ā¤ļø Or do I have more to fear since you are left out of the conversation... Well, anyway)
(DIR) Post #AWpVqsEl8p5o8VjlRo by IAmDannyBoling@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:36:58Z
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@stux It does, and thanks for letting us know.
(DIR) Post #AWpVuk5VNkII1JFlLM by hammoncr@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:37:45Z
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@stux thank you for your sensibility @stux, i want to be federated with as many people as possible as long as they are not actively harmful
(DIR) Post #AWpVzTrr7E47A780sy by cherold@zirk.us
2023-06-18T22:38:29Z
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@stux The "benefit of the doubt" is an old-fashioned concept but I'm glad to see it's not gone entirely out of style.
(DIR) Post #AWpVzvK929jkJfZUEC by staidwinnow@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T22:38:36Z
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@stux Thank you.This is a good way to show trust in the ecosystem you helped proliferate if not build.Very pragmatic.
(DIR) Post #AWpWAZyMl24RHXSvYG by PsyChuan@plush.city
2023-06-18T22:40:26Z
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@stux are you familiar at all with what happened with XMPP, and if you are can explain why you are giving Meta, of all companies, the benefit of the doubt
(DIR) Post #AWpWJFT6MSjSIMyYVs by smallpatatas@mstdn.patatas.ca
2023-06-18T22:41:40Z
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@stux meta is using you to fill their new product's feed. They will leave as soon as they have a stable userbase. They have proven themselves untrustworthy more times than we can count. You need to ask your users what they want. They need to give consent to this.
(DIR) Post #AWpWQsPvwsFL7W8CkC by markrsmith@smithtodon.org
2023-06-18T22:43:28Z
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@stux Iām afraid I donāt share your optimism. Meta has failed miserably at moderating without an agenda. Are you ready for them to flood the fediverse with filth?
(DIR) Post #AWpWdICPuwxGYZjHZw by oliver@die-partei.social
2023-06-18T22:45:47Z
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@stux I'm with you. The call for instance block from mods/admins appears to me dared. It is good that everyone has the opportunity to resort to it for themselves - if you want to choose *personal* to limit Barcelona from your account, you can do that and it's good that, unlike Twitter, you don't have to block every user individually.An instance ban should continue to be the *last* choice. Chosen with care. And to titulate FB users as 'Nazi', only helps Nazis to harmless their brutal ideology.
(DIR) Post #AWpWfCd5b4P5rT7FXE by Andres@mastodon.hardcoredevs.com
2023-06-18T22:46:05Z
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@stux Fair enough.
(DIR) Post #AWpWfjgmgLy2OU6ANM by ScriptFanix@pouet.chapril.org
2023-06-18T22:18:05Z
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@stuxThis feels like the right decision, would have taken the sake if I were an admin
(DIR) Post #AWpWgQUXXkit8xhUlE by andrewbriscoe@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T22:46:13Z
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@stux This is the right move. Maybe the will be good fedizens.
(DIR) Post #AWpWhHsT3WM2iWIqum by xangoh@kolektiva.social
2023-06-18T22:46:31Z
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@stux "Meta is not Gab" yeah Gab doesn't bear responsibility for any genocides I'm aware of
(DIR) Post #AWpWxM9EwhZoaxoJKy by tchambers@indieweb.social
2023-06-18T22:49:19Z
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@stux This is exactly the right position to takeā¦we have all the tools we need on the fedi to moderate p92 - and none of those is a pre-emotive fediblock. That done as a first strike would only be self defeating and Indieweb.social will have the same position as Stux. Monitor closely then use the tools we have appropriate to what we see. Like any other third party activitypub server ā¦.
(DIR) Post #AWpX1CuHFMcL5leEhE by oblomov@sociale.network
2023-06-18T22:49:59Z
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@stux @The_Augusto we know they have a horrid track record on privacy, they have a horrid track record on moderation, and they have a horrid track record on āembracingā open protocols to kill them off. Each of this alone would be sufficient to preemptively defederate. All of them together even more so. Exactly what do you expect to be different this time?
(DIR) Post #AWpX1txdAlqkccY1OS by Grant_M@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T22:50:04Z
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@stux History tells us Zuck doesn't work for the greater good or anything that doesn't eventually fill his fat wallet. He has already caused you to block one instance and he will continue to sow discord among us. It's the way of big tech. I want to be wrong.
(DIR) Post #AWpX5FNK0kObuF9xg0 by matthieu_xyz@calckey.social
2023-06-18T22:49:31.474Z
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@stux@mstdn.social Everyone is always about federate or defederate. Whatās your opinion about limiting meta?Is secure fetch enabled on mstdn.social?
(DIR) Post #AWpX5G5dLzqE7ftLkG by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:50:38Z
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@matthieu_xyz We'll see when the times comesIf they bring a hugee load of extra media and costs for sure they'll get a limit or if they effect the network negatively also etc
(DIR) Post #AWpX8iIourXoUXhu0e by jose@social.tofu.pt
2023-06-18T22:50:46Z
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@stuxIt's not about suspicion of Meta, it's about everyone knowing what will happen to the fediverse once Meta joins in. Fediverse as we know it will be crushed and you are complicit. Expect ads ads, expect data extraction and surveillance, expect bots because open source and open standards can't protect you against any of these.@JoeGrowling
(DIR) Post #AWpXFu6rPqz18bXeHw by CynthesisToday@sfba.social
2023-06-18T22:52:39Z
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@stux Could be like the schism of the Southern Baptists... Limiting federation with #ExtractiveSocialNetworks as a choice breaks the covenant and banishes the limiting servers. Allowing #actors to vote with their #resources by moving to servers that don't take extractive resources has a value equal to or greater than the choice of allowing federation with extractive social networks because the choice to move acts as an evolutionary force."Drinking" from the "sugar-water" of easy extractive-sourced money allows the #Ecosystem to develop a dependence on and organizing force around the sugar-water and quenches the #Evolutionary forces for creating the elements of an alternative #SocialEcosystems or #FederatedEcosystems that don't require "sugar-water" (#Extractive sources).Thank you for sharing what is known so far.
(DIR) Post #AWpXJ0vAY1JB8EYXMO by femme_mal@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:53:21Z
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@stux Thanks, Stux. What I would like, though, whether Meta joins the fediverse or other similar corporate-owned social media platform does so, is to know that those platforms will NOT be able to use cookies, beacons, or other tracking technology to harvest personal data from fediverse users on non-corporate platforms.How do we go about ensuring the fediverse remains protected from data harvesting without blocking the new corporate-owned fediverse entrants?
(DIR) Post #AWpXT6wuzQfKiwBlzs by scirave@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:55:08Z
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@stux ... couldn't you also preblock and THEN re-federate if it doesn't go to hell in a handbasket? Idk man feels like the better option would go be to go for the precautionary principle over the postactionary, here.I really, really do not trust FB. This is making my antsy.
(DIR) Post #AWpXY5T9v5Sna7ds0m by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2023-06-18T22:56:09.696Z
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@stux@mstdn.social Didn't you just break Facebook NDA by talking about this? I'm calling the Zucc.
(DIR) Post #AWpXc24qTQacDf9Pd2 by retiolus@mamot.fr
2023-06-18T22:56:34Z
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@stux Good position, but I think that what worries users is that their accounts may be scrapped by Meta's social network, or that a publication deleted on the servers will not be deleted from Meta's servers, and so on.
(DIR) Post #AWpXej4FbiLI8B9nO4 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:56:53Z
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@SuperDicq Well..I didn't sign so.. :AI_Yay: And im only using publily availble info
(DIR) Post #AWpXogfTNrj9aIJjZA by vladimirbrasil@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T22:58:54Z
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@stux if fediverse were fragile to be afraid of being bought, it should end sooner than later. But it is not fragile: I guess.
(DIR) Post #AWpXrlhX7vre3zkZnM by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:59:32Z
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@vladimirbrasil I will never ever be bought..to be honest, i don't give a sh*t about money
(DIR) Post #AWpXtJFrrOmAPzXq08 by robertnorlyn@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T22:59:45Z
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@stux Thanks! You have my continued support regardless of whatever Meta has in mind. I did post recently about this with no feedback because I am certain that thereās really nothing Meta can do that any random reject server couldnāt already do. #Meta #Facebook #Instagram #Fediverse
(DIR) Post #AWpY1YuzVaIXJViOXo by daihard@social.ridetrans.it
2023-06-18T23:01:18Z
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@stux @JoeGrowling I'm just an ordinary person in the Fediverse, but I would think blocking Meta from your server would take away the opportunity for your users to be eonnected with a lot of new Fediverse users.
(DIR) Post #AWpYbFi4Ozt8AHgp96 by Htaggert@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T23:07:52Z
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@stux eeeew just eeew I canāt see Zuck being content to just have a presenceā¦ he will want to Eff it up
(DIR) Post #AWpYf8L1kfecSblKBk by thegardendude@regenerate.social
2023-06-18T23:08:31Z
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@stux Kudos to you for recognizing that while Meta itself isn't great, there are still people on Meta who aren't evil and horrible, and that by not preemptively blocking Meta, we can reach more people who might not otherwise think to join the Fediverse. And again, as you've said, bad actors can be dealt with easily from your end. Personally, I like the idea of being able to connect with my friends who are still there.
(DIR) Post #AWpYhCs5rs9x6EDXV2 by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-06-18T23:08:43.451201Z
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@stux youāre totally right that Meta is not Gab.Gab were just a bunch of reactionary amateur retards, who were easily scared shitless by ādemon tranny hackers from hellā and a few FSE trolls.Meta on the other hand is a constantly metastasising cancer filled with more cancer that gives you AIDS, backed up by a huge army of corporate lawyers and a gang of paid-off journos and politicians. They will just take over of what they want, threatening everyone in their path with patent and copyright infringement lawsuits and running smear campaigns to destroy peopleās reputations. Good fucking luck fighting that!
(DIR) Post #AWpYjR0MI8lfVp95Xc by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-06-18T23:09:14.520133Z
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@stux I know you have me personally muted, but whatever
(DIR) Post #AWpZbPp4tzTPU4bq8e by MissingThePt@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T23:19:02Z
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@stux https://mastodon.social/@MissingThePt/110567689835074040
(DIR) Post #AWpZgZUEOqw6u5Ji4W by mjf_pro@hachyderm.io
2023-06-18T23:08:59Z
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@tchambers @stux In the end, people who are adamant about not interacting with Metaās communities (their content, their choice!) willā¦ā¦set up accounts on AP servers that also donāt federate with them. Preblocking the entire project doesnāt solve anything ā least of all keeping Meta from continuing to develop their own AP servers or bridging mechanisms.
(DIR) Post #AWpZgfyaGumT1xZ2DQ by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-06-18T23:19:56Z
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@stux any special info on what it's gonna look like or when it's happening?
(DIR) Post #AWpZnvnppLZ48vznw8 by vruz@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T23:21:16Z
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@stux @JoeGrowling We will most definitely see. Keep your blocking fingers ready, because you're definitely going to have to block of stuff.
(DIR) Post #AWpaBYKOl1UmHsUTwm by MagicLike@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T23:24:42Z
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@mastodonmigration @stux not really, besides a bunch of toxic reactions (lol)
(DIR) Post #AWpaBZ2M7aeoUD3aSm by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T23:25:33Z
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@MagicLike @mastodonmigration yeah...this was so nice :nkoinhaleorexhale:
(DIR) Post #AWpaDfrDjaaWDbr2nI by markhughes@mastodon.social
2023-06-18T23:25:52Z
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@stux This is so naive. Fuck Meta, don't give them the time of day.Corporations have no interest in anything but profit, and even talking to them if abhorrent to me.That fedi mods are doing so points to the vulnerability of the fediverse.When we have an autonomous p2p platform, no servers, no admins, we will have a chance of creating a playing field that favours all individuals.
(DIR) Post #AWpaITDU9zs0SfYWES by revolt3d@kolektiva.social
2023-06-18T23:26:50Z
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@stux people need to educate themselves on the concept of decentralized. no one can prevent someone from joining the fediverse. whether anyone chooses to partake in Meta's instance(s), that's up to them, but admins can certainly block meta's instances. mastodon isn't a walled city.
(DIR) Post #AWpaLnuVg2gfVlGmtU by MagicLike@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T23:27:18Z
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@wjmaggos @stux not really, as stux did not sign any NDA nor attend to any meeting(s)
(DIR) Post #AWpaPZxnTQM5PibiVM by GnomedDev@hachyderm.io
2023-06-18T23:28:03Z
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@stux bad take, Facebook have killed federated protocols before, don't give the election meddlers a chance.
(DIR) Post #AWpae6EaHwY1YPNpce by lispegistus@hachyderm.io
2023-06-18T23:30:44Z
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@stux meta has had literally thousands of chances not to act in a profoundly unethical manner and you're giving them another one? This thread should be included in the dictionary definition of naivety.
(DIR) Post #AWpaiTFKfjAa5Cokue by maniandthenonos@mas.to
2023-06-18T23:31:32Z
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@stux I don't know, man. Anyone who hasn't realized that Meta is inherently bad news is basically inherently part of the problem at this point. Remember when the Murdochs bought MySpace, but "everything was going to be OK", then suddenly, fun MySpace was gone and boring Facebook was everywhere? Expecting a bad actor to suddenly behave "just because" is like expecting the desert to be wet. Have we not learned anything from the past 20 years?
(DIR) Post #AWpaxkjXw91qf9Ekz2 by Keev@mastodonczech.cz
2023-06-18T23:34:14Z
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@stux Do you know how Meta operate as Corporation????
(DIR) Post #AWpbC1o5FvVffVANQO by Keev@mastodonczech.cz
2023-06-18T23:36:51Z
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@stux @The_Augusto
(DIR) Post #AWpbTW10C9wAHTY03c by Keev@mastodonczech.cz
2023-06-18T23:39:57Z
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@stux Never imagined that the weak point will be not the software but the people
(DIR) Post #AWpblzwLfp9EIuBSuO by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2023-06-18T23:43:14Z
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@stux If US and EU antitrust / competitiveness authorities cannot secure compliance from Facebook and Zuckerberg for existing and longstanding orders, what makes you think a rag-tag bunch of Fediverse admins will fare better?Facebook are manifestly bad-faith and untrustworthy actors. Preblock, now.Facebook is a repeat violator at the FTC. There was a consent decree that goes back close to a decade, which the FTC in 2019 found that they violated. The recent news suggests that they may have also been in violation of this latest consent order. And that is really prompting a step back and a close look at: What does it take to make sure that firms across the board are actually complying with the law? ... I think when you have companies that are repeatedly before a law-enforcement agency, you need to ask serious questions about whether these companies are recidivist and whether they have a challenge in abiding by existing laws.-- Lina Khan, Chair of the US Federal Trade Commission, interviewed by Kara Swischer,15 May 2023https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/on-with-kara-swisher-ftc-chair-lina-khan-on-ai-and-musk.htmlAt the very least, a precondition for any cooperation would be full compliance with existing antitrust actions, sanctions, consent orders, and the like, for a period at least as long as noncompliance (so, four years in the case of the 2019 order).#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook
(DIR) Post #AWpc1iefhtKtKQPcDg by brunofontes@fosstodon.org
2023-06-18T23:46:06Z
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@stux as far as they do not collect, store, profile, etc etc the information and/or branch the protocol, I am good with it. But there is always a risk.
(DIR) Post #AWpcYWcXTICHYp3dHk by Npars01@mstdn.social
2023-06-18T23:52:09Z
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@stux I'm worried that the volume of disinformation that may come out of Meta will be overwhelming.I like this instance.I fear there's a risk of exhausting mods that they defederate or shut down this instance.We shall see.
(DIR) Post #AWpcs3UbTiP90tetXs by JustNate@hachyderm.io
2023-06-18T23:55:39Z
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@stux @The_AugustoThis sounds willfully obtuse
(DIR) Post #AWpcvvxdQIEMoR5T7I by atatassault@universeodon.com
2023-06-18T23:56:21Z
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@stux Sure, Meta's not going to buy anything. But do you know what happened to local shops in the 80s and 90s when Wal-Mart opened a store in their town? They died.Not because Wal-Mart bought them out, but because WM's economies of scale lets it run on razor thin profit margins, and can outcompete local ships on prices. And once WM established dominance, they then raised prices to increase their profits.Make no mistake, a similar situation will happen if FaceBook creates an ActivityPub instance.
(DIR) Post #AWpfEQttKRq3tIHjO4 by silert@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T00:22:08Z
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@stuxInvesting with ma'am Madelyn trading platform is the only safe investment that will give you maximum returns throughout life. Contact her with ā MADELYN ANDREW ā on FACEBOOK
(DIR) Post #AWpfqPQZFmgMKJg48W by jherazob@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T00:28:54Z
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@stuxAnd *BECAUSE* we already *KNOW* Meta we don't want their grubby greedy hands near us, do not become a facilitator.@The_Augusto
(DIR) Post #AWpfv3yYREzdF7nH60 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:29:47Z
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@mks_h I know whats it about :ablobwink: only not the exact details
(DIR) Post #AWpgK4lOe92qvSZAQ4 by jebba@jebba.moe
2023-06-19T00:34:16Z
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@stux Did you sign an NDA with them?Did you have your lawyers review it? Who wrote the NDA?Please don't tell me you just straight up signed an NDA Meta presented to you, without legal review by a lawyer you personally retained.
(DIR) Post #AWpgPr4ETupUBY8GTw by assegaia@mastodon.online
2023-06-19T00:35:21Z
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@stux I noticed the current fediverse has quite specific and narrow opinions on what they want to be to a detrimental degree.
(DIR) Post #AWpgoUwbs4duoOJkjw by anarchosynthism@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T00:39:49Z
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@stux Correct, it is not gab. Facebook is responsible for multiple genocides while hosting your racist uncle's hate speech. Gab just had your racist cousin.
(DIR) Post #AWpgsXqF2bgkxKGiA4 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:40:27Z
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It's NOT platforms like #Facebook or #Instgram that join the Fediverse ā ļø Meta is working on a new platform that intends to federateSo it's not everyone on FB or IG that joins but a new crowd probablyWe have great moderation tools on Masto and other software that can cut them off within a second if neededBut let's not "block everything by default" but first check..You won't be happt if your admin starts blocking things without even checking them firstThe same rules apply to them also
(DIR) Post #AWpgtsczFBP3iFhnWa by PaulDitz@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:40:47Z
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@stux s'ok. We'll block em for you. Meta sucks. Meta is evil. Meta doesn't belong here.
(DIR) Post #AWpgwiTVRsOb5ociBM by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:41:15Z
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@PaulDitz you can! Domain blocks are also possible on user level so yeah
(DIR) Post #AWph0aBODkVYX7zdGS by anarchosynthism@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T00:42:02Z
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@stux Facebook has been name checked in multiple UN reports for being complicit in multiple genocides. Gab hopes to have the same success, but hasn't yet.
(DIR) Post #AWph4thBc9aaD3vIOW by BlakeL@calckey.social
2023-06-19T00:41:57.603Z
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@stux@mstdn.social You won't be happt if your admin starts blocking things without even checking them firstI mean, to be fair, you can check this company pretty easily right now, and it's not very good.
(DIR) Post #AWph4uJ7L7vk6hfaW8 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:42:36Z
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@BlakeL true with the excisting platformsIf they screw up they are out the door, as easy as that
(DIR) Post #AWph7UAoxeMZvJ1Dnc by greymatter@rap.social
2023-06-19T00:43:15Z
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@stux fear mongering at its' finest.
(DIR) Post #AWphCKmRJQi2EqvV5M by PaulDitz@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:44:06Z
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@stux I know. That's what I was saying. I get where you are coming from (although I don't agree). Especially running a large general instance like this. I'm not mad because I know I can block it when it comes out. Overall I've found you do a good job deciding which instances to block because every time I see one reported as being problematic, I try to go to it, but it has already been blocked by mstdn.
(DIR) Post #AWphD7QqQVYB84CRjE by natalie@mastodon.online
2023-06-19T00:44:08Z
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@stux I thought the whole point of federation was that you just didn't all use one huge server. because as soon as a service with exposure to (potentionally) over a billion user becomes available, original mastodon users will (probably) turn into a rounding errorthat's not the type of community I would want to be in.
(DIR) Post #AWphDqJdY9WUKkApF2 by scirave@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:44:09Z
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@stux i would b ok as long as they had:1. A compelling motivation.2. Were willing and hoping to re-federate in the case that their suspicions were false or unfounded.Both are true here. This feels incredibly risky. FB needs to prove legitemacy to investors and this looks like it's an atrempt to capture usage from Mastodon and then cut off ActivityPub once they reach critical mass. i don't want to indirectly support that. Please reconsider.
(DIR) Post #AWphKsKQStDYbRtc0G by vruz@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T00:45:31Z
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@stux All this sounds logical, but it doesn't work for many of us who came here because we didn't want to be anywhere near Facebook.
(DIR) Post #AWphLNhtnfPhvE7IOW by yuki2501@hackers.town
2023-06-19T00:45:35Z
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@stuxIt's not facebookMeta is working onDude, it's the same company.Now I'd really like to ask one question and I expect you to be honest.Canary question: š¦Did you sign a contract with them, or are in talks that could result in you signing a contract with them?If you can't tell, just say "I can't answer that".Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AWphMBxYxheVmHpVke by Keev@mastodonczech.cz
2023-06-19T00:45:41Z
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@stux Meta have specific business model, they are greedy af, they need access to people data.So why do you think they do that?
(DIR) Post #AWphX8NCdX19q92YqW by oceane@eldritch.cafe
2023-06-19T00:47:56Z
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@stux Obviously not, because nobody will ever say that poa.st played a role in the success of the Fediverse.They want to stay relevant for longer. They want to keep abusing people for longer.
(DIR) Post #AWphjdvj8Q7pBe9Zku by Anarkat@anarchism.space
2023-06-19T00:50:08Z
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@stuxHow did the vulcans establish diplomatic relations with the Klingons?
(DIR) Post #AWpi1Voy1T4XFXVp32 by oceanwave@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T00:53:24Z
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@stux very useful clarification, thanks!! Fighting misinformation!
(DIR) Post #AWpi21z0Rg7GzwSI8e by darren@c.im
2023-06-19T00:53:25Z
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@stux Individual Mastodon users can choose to block Meta. I think your measured approach is prudent. Give it a chance, see what it is.All of our public fediverse data is already being hoovered up by Big Data. There's no privacy for any public post.
(DIR) Post #AWpi2bUmPXKR8caf1U by toxtethogrady@universeodon.com
2023-06-19T00:53:23Z
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@stux I'm planning to meme them to death...
(DIR) Post #AWpi3upU0t1BOHtq2S by kevinrns@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:53:41Z
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@stuxI Sorry. You just lost me. I can't see how leaving this instance is not necessary.This is awful, I feel cheated and betrayed. How much are they offerIng?I'll be recommending mstdn.social be defederated.My instance is pro meta, I will be moving. Which instances are not betraying us? #mastodon #meta #betrayal #money Betrayal. #shame
(DIR) Post #AWpiGNM7mJpxL56o64 by aidenbenton@kolektiva.social
2023-06-19T00:56:04Z
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@stux gonna just keep my index figure hovering over a comically large "block meta instance" button for the next while.
(DIR) Post #AWpiOoXCc2SJwtJXTU by LorrieW@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T00:57:37Z
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@stux Thank you for being the adult in the room. Mad respect.
(DIR) Post #AWpijjc06rwslMXBWS by paprikapink@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T01:01:18Z
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@stux there is a lot of room between "blocking everything by default" and blocking a particular entity preemptively because they have a well-established track record spanning many years of being more than willing, happy even, to harm individuals, businesses, and the internet itself as long as they can derive profit or in some way boost Zuckerberg's (or whichever billionaire's) ego
(DIR) Post #AWpjCmsb2WLXIN9Mvo by leftsidestory@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T01:06:32Z
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@stux I completely agree with you. The fact that they want to integrate into the #Fediverse is actually a good thing and a sign that the #fediverse is making momentum. Why block them before knowing how it is when the are connected. Give everything a second chance, I say.
(DIR) Post #AWpjSNnO4Lko8F9MZ6 by maniandthenonos@mas.to
2023-06-19T01:09:29Z
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@stux Does anyone have a list of the instances who have signed or are considering signing these NDAs? Just curious.
(DIR) Post #AWpk9Vr3yrXRZzR3XU by Zach777@fosstodon.org
2023-06-19T01:17:12Z
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@stux Not sure how I feel about federating with a big corp like Meta. If it were my own instance I would just defederate or mute and ignore them. But I really dislike most mega corporations.
(DIR) Post #AWpkZVMIRqkZZNRFNw by bok_bok_ba_gok@mas.to
2023-06-19T01:21:56Z
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@stux Thanks for that clarification and sharing from your expert position that you see the Fediverse as having the tools to protect itself. My concern would be about the dominating, "own the world," dishonest and manipulative and mass-profit-centric way that zuck works - so would hope that folks have done enough scenario-planning to envision all possibilities/contingencies. Don't understand why he'd want to do this if there was no way to profit/surveil.
(DIR) Post #AWpkiBuy689dshnX7Y by noondlyt@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T01:23:31Z
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@stux We are here because of corporate greed and malfeasance. That has not changed. The fox is coming to the hen house. How many times must we be subjected to the outright manipulation and aggressive abuse of these shareholder run organizations? This isn't about the users. They can be blocked. Please stop defending the corporations' platforms whose sole purpose is to make money off of their users, especially in light of the Reddit debacle. Federation doesn't change the philosophy of a company.
(DIR) Post #AWpkqfOYO0lXcUg4ci by kevinrns@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T01:25:03Z
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@stux Going, betrayed, subverted, going. Just outraged at this awful stupid action. Whatever instance I join will be deferederated from this instance -> mstdn.social.No.
(DIR) Post #AWpljrmI352rx46LiK by toxtethogrady@universeodon.com
2023-06-19T01:35:03Z
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@stux Meta would make a whole lot of purchases to acquire Mastodon. And that would not be the end of it...
(DIR) Post #AWplualDeuJuMJiNs0 by KatM@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T01:36:57Z
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@stux I agree. Censor individually, unless it gets really out of hand (violating TOS) from an instance. Letās not overreact beforehand.
(DIR) Post #AWplwOmr9CB5npLGyG by morganalafee@mastodon.scot
2023-06-19T01:37:20Z
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@stux Thank you for the updateā¦.. will beware/aware of Metaā¦..
(DIR) Post #AWpmDY51qhKXY11INU by Mika7150@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T01:40:20Z
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@stux I don't see why Meta should get the benefit of the doubt when they've already abundantly proven bad intentions. Not sure why the past is being ignored here in regards to "let's see what they do before blocking them" *WE'VE ALREADY SEEN WHAT THEY DO*
(DIR) Post #AWpmSHLwK4LW0qxBzc by Yogiomm@toad.social
2023-06-19T01:42:57Z
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@stux #FuckZuck
(DIR) Post #AWpnbtlIzIo3hGy8xM by mybarkingdogs@strangeobject.space
2023-06-19T01:55:55Z
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@stux It clears up none. I hope everyone leaves your instance, mastodon.social, and universeodon for all of you conspiring with Facebook just to get rich.
(DIR) Post #AWpoUdmk5gby4ZkDOy by shipp@mastodon.coffee
2023-06-19T02:05:54Z
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@stux thank you, that's why I like you as an admin. You're pretty liberal on blocking instances unless it's like obviously racist/bigoted. Blocking Facebook's federation should be a user choice, not an admin choice.
(DIR) Post #AWpoucuDyypAsIdRE8 by RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
2023-06-19T02:10:44.020108Z
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@newt @stux >know it's evil>"give evil a chance"lefties belong on a cross
(DIR) Post #AWpowgfmwnKf8ariUq by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2023-06-19T02:10:43.245667Z
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@stux how fucking naive are you idiots lmao
(DIR) Post #AWpp4yM35ix6IDaD5c by pyrate@nicecrew.digital
2023-06-19T02:12:38.448232Z
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Meta supporting activity pub and interfacing with the fediverse is going to be wild. I'm not sure if they would have the ability to take control over the entire network as one could hop instances to evade the relative jurisdictions of Meta, and still say the nigger word. This will open a certain amount of risk, without a doubt. I see these companies as dinosaurs. Scrambling to retain relevancy in a space that is now seeking to evolve beyond their capacity to control and enforce value sets & narrative. They seek to control information, fundamentally. We must murder the client-server relationship at its most fundamental level.
(DIR) Post #AWppPLJvPmhpJNIqcy by nazgul@infosec.exchange
2023-06-19T02:16:04Z
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@stux f youāre talking to them about a good integration, there are two things you should tell them.1. We donāt want you to connect to the Fediverse until the application is fully integrated into the Integrity content review system, and the reviewers are trained and staffed in the appropriate languages. If they donāt have moderation integrated on day one, this will be a disaster, because theyāll end up getting blocked right and left.2. We need to know that the moderation interaction from other Fediverse systems to Meta is implemented and staffed.I assume they also know that Fediverse standards on hate speech on most servers are probably higher than current Facebook/Instagram standards, and that Fediverse standards on obscene speech are probably lower, and theyād better be prepared to deal with that properly. But really, those two items are the important ones.
(DIR) Post #AWpqBqltmcmykuW9Cq by 7666@comp.lain.la
2023-06-19T02:25:03.370984Z
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@newt @stux I would love a smear campaign against me from the Zuck, I'd be honored to be noticed as a threatpeople see these corpo developments as some kind of massive fedi reckoning but the software isn't going anywhere and the small instances aren't either, I'm just going to sit back, eat popcorn, and stay the course I run projects waaaaay spicier than a fedi instance anyway lmao
(DIR) Post #AWpqLG3R9SE5m8Csz2 by literalgrill@sakurajima.moe
2023-06-19T02:25:53Z
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@stux For some folks, needing to be cautious and remove them ahead of time is vital.The disability community knows how much "Meta" aka Facebook has coordinated with the Federal government in the US to get people kicked off of their disability benefits. We cannot risk having this massive company mine our toots or whatever else to do this through the Fediverse.People need to be WAY more concerned with just how much surveillance this could result in.
(DIR) Post #AWpr5V29n5ivYOeqWm by samothtiger@4bear.com
2023-06-19T02:34:56Z
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@stux this is willful ignorance. The only reason meta would be interested in this move is to exploit the users and the fediverse. It is a corporation. Absolutely nothing they do, will do, or have ever done was for anything but to make them as much money as fast as possible. Letting them federate in any way will absolutey result in the same outcome. What could possibly be to gain from being open to this move? How much are you being offered to play ball?
(DIR) Post #AWprVJoM8eyEHDVvn6 by thesteelrat@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T02:39:37Z
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@stux Thank you, The calls for Pre-blocking or even de-federating Corperate owned servers kind of ruins the idea of "decentralization" and isn't any better than if you don't like a company, you can block it on an individual basis, do not block it for everyone else.
(DIR) Post #AWprugpTh9W6uD8XQW by Nostradamus@mastodon.online
2023-06-19T02:44:12Z
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@stux If Elon Musk bought Mastodon, then we would have MastaTwit.
(DIR) Post #AWpsFz2vA0ahU9Zuds by Brentguernsey@infosec.exchange
2023-06-19T02:47:58Z
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@stux My mistrust and contempt for fb, meta...whatever...knows no bounds. Cambridge Analytica is why I fired facebook, and I would abandon Mastodon at the first whiff of fb infiltration of Mastodon. Fb is poison. Please, please, please don't drink the poison.
(DIR) Post #AWpsGhNgKBLEzHd76u by aka_quant_noir@cinematheque.social
2023-06-19T02:47:59Z
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@stux "Going smooth" means that Meta isn't allowed to scrape our content. My content, words and all, belongs to me. All rights reserved. Such that it is, such as they are.
(DIR) Post #AWpsX7bMbXACwVrPlo by elsantonegro@masto.ai
2023-06-19T02:51:09Z
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@stux Sounds good š.
(DIR) Post #AWpuOPxVBS5ZB7C1fU by ctrlaltpeace@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T03:11:45Z
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@stux this is interesting information
(DIR) Post #AWpv7qcIurwct7wNE0 by Lightrider@mastodon.acm.org
2023-06-19T03:20:14Z
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@stux looking forward to the "#fediverse causes genocide" headlines soon after because everything the #fuckingcapitalists touch leads to death and disaster. Would be nice to be wrong though.
(DIR) Post #AWpwp84fz7rvREPh7g by Diamondjoy@mastodon.world
2023-06-19T03:39:13Z
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@stux Some people who are still on the bird site actually think they're fighting fascism.
(DIR) Post #AWpzZIPM652GiTEB3w by amitten@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T04:09:59Z
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@stux Thank you. I really don't understand the fear that they will take over. I don't think it's possible. That's the point of a federated protocol. If people are afraid, then they don't understand federation. And If they do understand and have legitimate fears, then maybe mastodon/lemmy/kbin are flawed and need to be truly federated.My point is that I don't think there's much to worry about.
(DIR) Post #AWpzeFXoAhD9HaXlMO by WhyNotZoidberg@topspicy.social
2023-06-19T04:10:42Z
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@stux @The_Augusto this is the most naive thing I have heard since pre 2016.
(DIR) Post #AWq0l0lLcy2dQ4fGoi by sentientmortal@freeradical.zone
2023-06-19T04:23:17Z
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@stux @The_Augusto You know they want to kill us off, but because you don't know how yet you're inviting them in?
(DIR) Post #AWq0qPjUDWbUJJN0vQ by dekkzz76@emacs.ch
2023-06-19T04:24:14Z
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@stux @noondlyt if it was just a heads up why the NDA facebooks business model is at odds with the #fediverse so you can only be skeptical of their intentionsfacebook like the other techbros know how to play the W3C game, it won't take much for them to destroy APi've seen EEE nearly destroy the net, with the greatest respect stux just stfu & pre-block them
(DIR) Post #AWq1T9tp1E66UwgBW4 by VamptVo@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T04:31:18Z
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@stux Thank you for this. It's really frustrating to see the number of instances pre-emptively blocking an instance that represents a potentially huge moment for the Fediverse. A wait and see approach is totally reasonable and leaves room to act if Meta does anything that hurts your users.
(DIR) Post #AWq3QgPtraKOO9dBUu by ChrisCPS@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T04:53:16Z
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@stux Iām just a random person who migrated here after having left FB /Twitter both. Not a nerd, just found good stuff here. I left the destructive life of FB/ Twitter. I donāt really understand this whole thing but if Meta is trying in any way to ājoinā Mastodon then itās for nefarious reasons. They are driven purely by profit. Where are folks supposed to go ?Anyway still confused about what is going on but just the word Meta in the same sentence as Mastodon is scary.
(DIR) Post #AWq3ldKUXKqQtY5hui by jdp23@indieweb.social
2023-06-19T00:07:14Z
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@dredmorbius Yeah really. I've talked with several admins who have described their position with Meta as "trust but verify". First of all why would you trust them? Secondly how on earth do you think you'll verify their bad behavior? smh.
(DIR) Post #AWq4557lQ9FQbJPZVg by Natanox@chaos.social
2023-06-19T05:00:26Z
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@stux Well, this is a disaster waiting to happen. I understand your argument, but you're applying it to a known social arsonist here. They've already proven their malicious intent a bazillion times, it is foolish to even assume it might be different this time.
(DIR) Post #AWq4mwxt7NWa2Li5kO by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2023-06-19T05:08:35.964897Z
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@stux while it's true that they're technically only joining the fediverse, this is just the first step. They do not plan to remain as just another actor on the network.You don't have to look far back into the company history to see what's going to happen next.
(DIR) Post #AWq4wcvqSGOqnlMvrc by captainepoch@stereophonic.space
2023-06-19T05:10:04.085382Z
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@stux I don't understand why is this even a thing. The Fediverse was made to escape those propietary, dara-hoarding platforms, and people are happy and welcoming them into the Fediverse? What's wrong with you all?
(DIR) Post #AWq4wiAuxeQZ3xSXYG by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2023-06-19T05:10:21.557239Z
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@scirave @stux they're most likely going to start off nice to keep spirits calm and then slow-boil things back into the company we all know.
(DIR) Post #AWq7MiOcxfI7BbOo5I by wilbr@glitch.social
2023-06-19T05:37:19Z
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@stux @JoeGrowling I think you're cool Stux but I will burn down anything that touches those capitalist douchebags who, I should remind you, are the exact reason why we had to create this place to begin with. If they weren't vile, we'd all be using corporate social media right now.
(DIR) Post #AWq7whf5Ab4hKhFwyO by timdesuyo@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T05:43:47Z
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@stux I mean, that's fine, but I'm going to block it for myself because I don't believe anything from it is trustworthy.
(DIR) Post #AWq88WDnWtmlKL80i8 by avrin@infosec.exchange
2023-06-19T03:34:08Z
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@scirave @stux you aren't supporting it indirectly or directly. they are existing as their own separate entity that you happen to be able to interact with.
(DIR) Post #AWq88WyaivDRfT1NeC by scirave@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T03:44:24Z
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@avrin @stux You misunderstand the problem here. This is precisely out of Microsoft's ye old "Embrace. Extend. Extinguish" playbook. FB needs to cough up something for investors. They need to show results. They're going to use Mastodon to springboard their new platform with users and content. Then they'll offer a better service, aggressive onboarding, and then eventually cutoff the federation. Finally, enshittification will begin.I don't want to be a part of that. Or provide content to it.
(DIR) Post #AWq88Yi0HZ8T2bHA4O by scirave@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T03:46:39Z
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@avrin @stux Once upon a time, they did this with XMPP. This is not new, this is not unsubstantiated, this is what they've been doing for YEARS. They have the resources to pull it off, the will, the motivation, and a history of it. This isn't vague reactionary bullshit that I'm pulling out of my ass. This is a likely risk and known factor.
(DIR) Post #AWq8irSa2jIrccN82y by humaneTotalitarianism@mastodon.online
2023-06-19T05:52:29Z
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@stux yeah, innocent until proven guilty sounds like the way to go. This is a new avenue for Meta and they should be given the chance to be good citizens despite their past.
(DIR) Post #AWq8ucXlKNbipnP3po by Shadedlady@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T05:54:42Z
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@stux i blocked meta from my life. I never had a Facebook account or Instagram, but I did have WhatsApp. When Facebook took that over i went to signal instead. When meta took over oculus i did not create a meta account. Meta made my expensive vr glasses unusable by putting a black overlay over it. Just read what unnecessary data meta collects from the vr users. It's evilcorp
(DIR) Post #AWq92mcBlZnwO3Mjz6 by nubesik@chaos.social
2023-06-19T05:56:11Z
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@stux what would be their long term business plan? Ads? selling user data? ..of course, they could have their own instances ad supported, but doubt they will leave it at that. They must be getting something else (except "content") out of it.Also, combine their algorithms driving "engagement" (i.e. hate) with the fediverse: admins/mods will be overburdened with a constant stream of issues.. Which would originally not even be seen by most people without these algos.
(DIR) Post #AWq9hNXxsEz0VpkPLc by noodlejetski@masto.ai
2023-06-19T06:03:32Z
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@stux from what I've read though, P92, or Barcelona or Threads or whatever you call it, is going to be connected to your Instagram account so you get the same name and even the verified check. so kind of like Instagram joining, really.
(DIR) Post #AWq9u9folXrDFXVrXs by bekopharm@social.tchncs.de
2023-06-19T06:05:43Z
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@stux a lot seem to think that Meta gains instant access to "your data". This isn't true. The stuff that is floating around public may be scraped but the rest is entirely push and not pull.As for the EEE: So what if they some day decide to brew their own protocol that does no longer work with the rest of the Fediverse. What changes for the Fedi? It'll be back to right where it is now and where it will stay if everyone defederates pre-emptive. Nothing lost. In fact it's imho what Bluesky did.
(DIR) Post #AWq9zyxhVJf5lXek2S by Dcypher@twit.social
2023-06-19T06:06:49Z
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@stux how many times does a company need to show they cannot be trusted before they are untrustworthy??
(DIR) Post #AWqA30Fv9MLeeCcQts by suicideasuicide@c.im
2023-06-19T06:07:20Z
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@stux There can be a lot of benefits from Meta doing this. First, theyāll likely contribute code back to the community that will benefit the project overall. Second, having a company the size of Meta embrace open protocols is a huge step in the right direction for the future of the web
(DIR) Post #AWqAnoFvaCfh2awPoG by herrbischoff@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T06:15:50Z
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@stux @mks_h Thatās an attitude I can respect. Itās absurd to even ask for signing NDAs while looking to join an open, federated network. I know itās standard corporate practice but that fact alone should have resulted in a united dismissal of any talks.
(DIR) Post #AWqBIUN7YqYoLgw15M by runarcn@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T06:21:25Z
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@stux Certainly an unpopular decision, but I'll stick around and see how this all goes. While I might disagree (or at least have a very bad feeling about this), I trust that you folks know more than me.From a user-viewpoint, it would be really nice with full transparency around this going forward: where are the meetings, what was discussed, were you unable to participate due to NDAs etc. I know that would make it easier for me to trust this process, and probably for many others too.
(DIR) Post #AWqCKTQq7veny0BV8i by alexlapins@infosec.exchange
2023-06-19T06:32:57Z
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@stux Is there a license agreement to join the fediverse? Ex. restrictions on how you can use data from other servers, how to use content licenses attached to posts?
(DIR) Post #AWqFeSoUR5sbhcTDYu by McMongoose@bae.st
2023-06-19T07:10:23.176289Z
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@stux @stux You're not gonna sell out, you're already as gay and Pro establishment as they want, the only thing you could possible "sell out" on is when they ask you to inject surveillance software into your instance.Like when Eugen took money from the EU to get Eunomia into the environment
(DIR) Post #AWqGyUl90hDRU41MSe by BouZou82@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T07:24:59Z
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@stux so im out of here allso... nice š
(DIR) Post #AWqJ0S7pySL5nnhFUe by jmcgready@fosstodon.org
2023-06-19T07:47:47Z
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@stux @BlakeL not local to your instance, just wanted to point out that Meta will engage in boundary testing behavior, so it's more a matter of when and whether they can talk you out of a one strike policy.
(DIR) Post #AWqJs4oeqzed9BINiy by ljrk@todon.eu
2023-06-19T07:57:25Z
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@stux I disagree on the framing of > You won't be happy if your admin starts blocking things without even checking them first.First, as already mentioned, you can do a check right now. This check may or may not lead into anyone deciding that it's a good idea to block Meta or not, as evidenced by the replies. You may want to give them a chance, others don't.That's *exactly* what federation is for. A lot of people disagreeing in this thread *want* precisely what you insinuate as "not checking": An admin who, based on already available information, would decide to block Meta. And that's *totally fine*, that's what the Fedi is for! Honestly, I'm baffled we're having this discussion even and calling one side "cold headed" and the other "power tripping" (not you, other thread). It's absolutely the opposite of that, it's acting based on different sets of values with ā surprise ā different outcomes.I respect your decision to "wait and see", as well as any other Admins decision to do so. But please refrain from framing your approach as the one we all should take.Ontop: I think we'd be well-served if we don't have "big servers", regardless of the owners. This can also be a valid reason never to federate with them.
(DIR) Post #AWqKF26b68WfOtdIkS by rrwo@fosstodon.org
2023-06-19T08:01:37Z
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@stux When more details come out, individuals will have the option to block Meta even if admins do not.However, Meta will want to integrate Facebook and Instagram to make it easier for users to share content between the platforms. (They already allow sharing between the latter two.)There is good reason to be concerned that Meta will hoard and use peoples' data from the Fedi. That's their business model.They may also make a Fedi server that is integrated with advertising.
(DIR) Post #AWqLRnGRgjRJ5et768 by apemantus@ieji.de
2023-06-19T08:15:09Z
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@stux Sounds great. Let's just wait and see what a multibillion-dollar corporate monster headed by a lizard-like glassy-eyed psychopath whose life's work is to manipulate the behavior of the masses can do.
(DIR) Post #AWqMphtFQ95rKK0J0q by frido@mastodon.online
2023-06-19T08:30:39Z
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@stux An entity like Meta is not the same as a personal Mastodon user, and should not be treated in the same way. The question that I'd like answered is: "Will Meta, by joining the Fediverse, have access to any Mastodon users' data and online behaviour?"
(DIR) Post #AWqMrlUB1V5v3dG5ho by miklo@fosstodon.org
2023-06-19T08:30:58Z
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@stux "We would never ever sell out on you" - we won't sell you out but give you out away for free - in the form of, for example, all the fediverse content - the posts of millions of people, which Meta will get for FREE and will certainly help them to better profile (= get more profit) those who don't have accounts on their platform.
(DIR) Post #AWqO0ftLI7FcGgqGFU by zne@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T08:43:49Z
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@stux The entire point of federated networks and ActiviyPub is to allow for interoperability. Preemtively blocking a new platform, based solely on the corporation behind it, is completely against that spirit in my opinion.Observe first, then decide. No need to fearmonger, everyone...
(DIR) Post #AWqOfPfsUVNxqPyAxU by im@pouet.it
2023-06-19T08:51:10Z
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@stux Are "some of us" only mastodon admins?
(DIR) Post #AWqP0x0bkYCXJIw57A by mfierst@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T08:55:02Z
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@stux I do not want my content to be monetized by anyone and even more so when I am not aware of it. Can I, as a user, prevent that from happening?
(DIR) Post #AWqQVrwCkmlSVwBPZw by pmroman@toot.community
2023-06-19T09:11:51Z
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@stux Unlike most of you, I am not an expert on internet policy issues. However, giving Meta the benefit of the doubt, while it might sound reasonable, would be like extending such benefit to Putin or ISIS. Meta will not grant anything that decreases their potential benefits, and if they do, soon enough they will modify their position. Meta does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.
(DIR) Post #AWqQgOcG6xoKlAsCeG by jann@twit.social
2023-06-19T09:13:48Z
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@stux I agree, however, If #P92 ads appear "attached" to ANY posts of theirs in my feed, I'm blocking the instance from my TL's...
(DIR) Post #AWqQvFn5Cqi9jS1Lt2 by marlin@haminoa.net
2023-06-19T09:15:36Z
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@stux It's really not blocking everything by default. We know Meta's motivation. It's money. They have proven that they are evil over and over and over again.In my opinion our message to Meta should be clear: Fuck off, we don't want you here.
(DIR) Post #AWqRHfyUXFkbJM35eK by asahi_95@tech.lgbt
2023-06-19T09:20:30Z
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@stux Stux, you are being seriously naive right now, I have the right to criticise you this time. What you're doing here is letting your guard down, you are letting a malicious privacy-invasive Big Tech corporation to potentially embrace, extend, extinguish on the Fediverse and eventually drive it into near obscurity just like what has happened to XMPP. Gargron and other people like you are being absolute fools for trying to talk with Facebook into agreement.You should definitely take back your words and reconsider your decision cause you are really not gonna like what comes next once you allow them in.
(DIR) Post #AWqRVtulVIq4bD5ZIG by sun_eater@goreslut.xyz
2023-06-19T09:23:14.125639Z
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@stux so block them will make them sad? Great, i don't want corporations happy i want them genocided
(DIR) Post #AWqTFkXEoCJkmgVhVg by Remittancegirl@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T09:42:32Z
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@stux Thank you for your calm consideration.I trust that you will keep us nice and safe, Stux.
(DIR) Post #AWqVQaBfp0QxmiiWYa by partizan@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T10:06:58Z
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@stux thank you for being the most sane admin in the Fediverse! i'm glad to be on this instance, and not somewhere else :)
(DIR) Post #AWqYdhZbyHlUJrrSHg by cygnathreadbare@masto.ai
2023-06-19T10:42:57Z
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@stux the last time I gave them a chance they destroyed XMPP.
(DIR) Post #AWqYrP3lbLLaxFV1eq by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-06-19T10:45:10Z
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He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon.
(DIR) Post #AWqa5Tw4Mywu5LAz2m by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-06-19T10:59:07Z
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@stux Well it's very hard to take a good stance to support them when we are not privvy to the guarantees or promises that they have made you, so for us plebs that haven't been in on the talks it's hard to see the positive side of it.
(DIR) Post #AWqaQngs7IIlR2EVtY by zyz@mas.to
2023-06-19T11:03:02Z
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@stux (ŲįµįµŲĢįµ)āā§ hi, Annie! If you have any questions about your server/Meta, you might find some answers here
(DIR) Post #AWqbBAAgrhpmTmHuNs by viel_zu_negativ@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T11:11:23Z
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@stux You know, the problem I see here is... for most of US, using social media is a hobby.For corporations like Meta, going in somewhere, buying themselves in somewhere, accumulating power in whatever way they can, with the intention to destroy (that of course they don't declare right from start) is their JOB.Don't underestimate it, please.And please don't overestimate your power to go against them. For them, it's business, and they do have experience in "how to destroy". A lot.
(DIR) Post #AWqetMpxR516MhMO9o by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-06-19T11:53:01Z
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@stux I'm with you here. Forgive me, but in what way, could Meta 'take over' Mastodon or any other element of the Fediverse.I thought the Fediverse was a technically informed audience. Obviously not.
(DIR) Post #AWqgNLqrlPMlx0e8qe by zleap@qoto.org
2023-06-19T12:09:39Z
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@stux Thank you for the clarity,.
(DIR) Post #AWqh0W7pV5bv6jFyNc by CatDragon@mastodon.world
2023-06-19T12:16:43Z
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@stux apparently not being able to monetize, supervise, and advertise, is making them sad.
(DIR) Post #AWqhxfIb2K5ee1Uqlk by withoutclass@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-06-19T12:25:42Z
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@stux Surely the wolf's cub will not turn out to be a wolf.
(DIR) Post #AWqiyz0xJujw2DRCL2 by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-06-19T12:38:41Z
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@stux We know already that they run their platforms in an abusive manner and they manipulate their users.This isn't "blocking everything by default", this is protecting the Fediverse.Those who don't realize that make the Fedeverse about as doomed as the Reddit blackout when major subreddits decided to reopen normally.
(DIR) Post #AWqje26GkiBVTgUsSG by BlippyTheWonderSlug@social.cologne
2023-06-19T12:45:57Z
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@stux "Meta is working on a new platform that intends to federate"Meta. End of story.#FuckMeta
(DIR) Post #AWqkfyuJh5Yc6oOonw by efkotlinski@techhub.social
2023-06-19T12:57:41Z
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@stux āletās give them a chance, we can fix this easily later if we need toāFamous last wordsā¦
(DIR) Post #AWqllGdDK6o2TuU4Mi by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-06-19T13:10:07Z
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@stux I understand what you're saying, but you know as well as I do that there is a very sizable chance this won't end well. :blobcatthink::ablobcatattentionreverse: We know already that they run their platforms in an abusive manner.This isn't necessairily "blocking everything by default", this is protecting the Fediverse.Please tread carefully... and at the very least, monitor this situation better than u/spez :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AWqnNqzqfQEYDx2CQ4 by Catmama@mas.to
2023-06-19T13:28:04Z
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@stux Nope, nope, nope. I don't want anything to do with Meta/Facebook. There's a reason I left Facebook over a decade ago.
(DIR) Post #AWqny4nmof7RSwfHRQ by dalereardon@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T13:34:31Z
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@stux A query - Could Meta just scrape all of the Masterdon servers/accounts without telling anyone until it was done? And/or could ChatGPT do the same? After all the majority of our info is public
(DIR) Post #AWqqE4UlvLPh3YWetE by HOLOCAUST@shitposter.club
2023-06-19T14:00:08.186199Z
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@JoeGrowling @stux This decision will age well #TrustThePlan
(DIR) Post #AWqqFZIwrSDMtoi1s8 by taijiquan@universeodon.com
2023-06-19T14:00:07Z
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@stux Hope is a beautiful sentiment in us humans, specially im good people. But itās so obvious that what they are planning is a trojan horse.Even if they donāt know how to right now, itās certain they donāt want the fediverse to thrive, itās bad for their bottom line, and theyāll do anything to stop it.
(DIR) Post #AWqqZbH7FEiunnP6Rs by sigsegv@floss.social
2023-06-19T14:03:51Z
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@stux You have my full support on this one!People need to stop treating this as a centralised network. Not everyone is going to agree on this matter, so different instances will make different decisions here. That's how the Fediverse works by nature. People who want to see corpirate stuff blocked can join an instance that blocks that. We can of course express our opinions, but people going all out harassing instance admins with insults and toxic sarcasm is uncalled for.q
(DIR) Post #AWqsfmZcLmAbUP8LK4 by Macross@hackers.town
2023-06-19T14:27:17Z
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Same guy?
(DIR) Post #AWr06o1DmgljTAsUAC by targetdrone@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T15:50:40Z
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@stux Keep your eyes wide open.The strategy "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" works like this: Big company acts nice and worms its way in. A year later they start adding 'features' to their instances that go beyond the original platform specs. Their users equate the new features to the overall platform and through adoption lock themselves into it; the original platform is eventually dismissed as old and limited. Defederation then would simply remove a thorn from their paw.
(DIR) Post #AWr64eKXQypEZEGgkq by dgodon@mastodon.online
2023-06-19T16:57:34Z
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@stux saying āmeta is not gabā seems like a bit of a flippant response to concerns about meta.
(DIR) Post #AWrB6o5UcwbBBA4xJQ by thelazzyone@mstdn.social
2023-06-19T17:53:57Z
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@stux Thank you!! Really good take!
(DIR) Post #AWrLnqcU5Udv1ffkxM by beforewisdom@veganism.social
2023-06-19T19:53:47Z
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@stux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
(DIR) Post #AWrUMqOzghWo7UYqeG by kasra_mp@mastodon.social
2023-06-19T21:29:53Z
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@stux - I don't have a problem as long as #facebook #meta makes its federated codebase FOSS open source.Otherwise, they will flood a billion people in a single instance safeguarded by proprietary software, monopolize the fediverse and defeat the entire point of the federation. We should be ultra careful and not let it slide like what happened to #reddit in 2017 when got closed source.
(DIR) Post #AWrWPZF4934vfxLMUy by fancysandwiches@urbanists.social
2023-06-19T21:52:39Z
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@stux @The_Augusto "We know Dan is a repeated abuser, however Dan is now wearing a new leather jacket, so maybe he doesn't abuse people anymore, we should wait and see"Great logic, 10/10,
(DIR) Post #AWrsQ0vDQifAVyg1QW by stevesplace@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T01:59:23Z
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@stux It might be "Threads," their answer to Twitter. What fun.
(DIR) Post #AWs1IEuMRdvBAAe2Iy by JimmyB@mas.to
2023-06-20T03:38:43Z
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@stux yeah - thatās lovely nāall but history tells us block them now. You seem to have forgotten that Meta does not play by any rules. Apologetics for corporate totalitarian billionaires arenāt great news to the #Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AWsHKBrcKhDtZEJVDs by adityavverma@mastodon.social
2023-06-20T06:38:24Z
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@stux From what I read the platform is based (Threads) is based on Instagram, which would probably mean that all the Instagram social graph will land up in Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AWsjyzraeVXAwDXzV2 by ParceiroMAGALU@flipboard.social
2023-06-20T11:59:24Z
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Venham comigo conferir estas ofertas imperdĆveis =https://flipboard.social/@ParceiroMAGALU>Mastodon</a>https://www.magazinevoce.com.br/magazinejbsjosimar/patreon.com/Magazinejbsjosimar
(DIR) Post #AWsneKbIkwVUzNKVUG by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T12:40:14Z
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@oblomov wow.. you are so lovely :nkoWoozy:
(DIR) Post #AWsnuWqazVIfbYCtiS by oblomov@sociale.network
2023-06-20T12:43:16Z
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@stux what, you're surprised there's people that in front of an impending catastrophe get angry at those that facilitate it?
(DIR) Post #AWso32Z8wj4IIK6Pom by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T12:45:01Z
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@oblomov I'm happy for you you got it alllll figured out my friend! :cat_hug_triangle: good luck with that!
(DIR) Post #AWsoeTVriiXmaHQ4Rc by andreasm@kolektiva.social
2023-06-20T12:51:47Z
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@stux You clearly have your dingdong in your head instead of a brain.At least you'll know which billionare you bent over for. Don't come cry to me when your asshole ruptures. @oblomov
(DIR) Post #AWtDazI08G34pgMts0 by phillycodehound@masto.ai
2023-06-20T17:31:15Z
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@stux I agree with this!
(DIR) Post #AWtEUKL9ZED631EMcq by ar@is-a.cat
2023-06-20T17:41:00Z
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@stux If you really insist on giving them a chance, please name one example of a big corporation joining an existing federated network, and it not ending badly for the network.
(DIR) Post #AWtHH8DTdE8oXo2W8W by Nshrubs@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T18:11:55Z
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@stux Thank you for the clarification! I appreciate it!
(DIR) Post #AWtHvENi85StFRwnEO by recluse@dice.camp
2023-06-20T18:19:40Z
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@stux LOL, guess you haven't been paying attention to what, exactly, Meta/FB has been up to. They're arguably WORSE than Gab. They are not to be trusted and folks thinking they can just sit down with them and skate away without consequences are deluding themselves.
(DIR) Post #AWtIybkBpAfSWqdTSy by tasket@infosec.exchange
2023-06-20T18:31:26Z
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@stux Why can't you just look at their recent history (not even invoking C-A here)? And how they've been essentially the same for over a decade?All Meta cares about is selling their users as a product.
(DIR) Post #AWtJMNJZ7lCCj7W1bs by cyberbonk@infosec.exchange
2023-06-20T18:35:25Z
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@stux i am not worried about the crowd, I donāt want Meta to grab all posts and data of me on mastodon and feed it to their ad-profiling.
(DIR) Post #AWtLPFGhhCkKY6foDw by happyborg@fosstodon.org
2023-06-20T18:58:11Z
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@stux so āking naive. It's as if Facebook/meta have no history.Fedi was created in response to their abuses and the business models that they epitomise. No way should we have anything to do with them.
(DIR) Post #AWtLWBf1VXhLO3MIpU by stux@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T18:59:50Z
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@sixohsix I only know what's public record :ablobwink: i didn't sign the nda that's why i dont have the info
(DIR) Post #AWtNdtSzEkAFBSWznE by pasties@infosec.exchange
2023-06-20T19:23:48Z
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@stux the concern I've been hearing is that they're going to "scrape and sell" content on the fediverse. That also doesn't make sense to me as they can already do that by creating accounts on instances and just sitting there. They don't need this new platform to do it.
(DIR) Post #AWtQdfIyBlwh7oQdHM by makdaam@chaos.social
2023-06-20T19:57:17Z
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@stux Framing this as "people being afraid Meta will buy Mastodon" is a bit dishonest. While I can accept people with such fears exist that's not what a lot of discussions on mastoadmin were about. Especially since EEE is so much cleaner and cheaper than buying Mastodon from Eugen or a set of instances from admins.
(DIR) Post #AWtTCW3alSkSUDyvC4 by ivor@social.ivor.org
2023-06-20T20:26:05Z
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@stuxBest comparison I've seen is saying Meta joining the metaverse is the equivalent of when AOL joined the internet (for those of us who can remember that)
(DIR) Post #AWtVVwiq31DEb7fQ0G by otte_homan@theblower.au
2023-06-20T20:51:33Z
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@stux my thinking here is "please fedi, do not be naive." There is a good chance that you as fedi server admins/mods wont get much to say anymore once Mera has joined with an army of admins/mods/server clusters, a github repo of shit marketed as "improvements", new crap such as "integrated monetization management tools" etc.You havent convinced me yet that this isnt a move by a sheep in wolves clothes. This reeks of a friendly dressed hostile takeover. Meta is not Mother Theresa.
(DIR) Post #AWtWMUFOeBVZdGwuR6 by blterrible@mastodon.online
2023-06-20T21:01:20Z
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@stux Embrace, extend, extinguish.
(DIR) Post #AWtXJYrd7rzJ2J09RY by AGreatSound@mstdn.social
2023-06-20T21:12:10Z
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@stux thanks for being reasonable.
(DIR) Post #AWu4lugorx9TK54W8W by boss@xarxamontgri.masto.host
2023-06-21T03:27:03Z
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@daihardI don't need "a lot of Fediverse users". @stux @JoeGrowling
(DIR) Post #AWu6FyicYOBcSboYPg by daihard@social.ridetrans.it
2023-06-21T03:43:46Z
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@boss @stux @JoeGrowling Who knows, those new users may bring with them new experiences, new things to learn, etc.
(DIR) Post #AWu6UZZ0MVEImrH9ZQ by boss@xarxamontgri.masto.host
2023-06-21T03:46:25Z
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@daihardBut I can get already as many new users as I want, don't need META to do it. @stux @JoeGrowling
(DIR) Post #AWvm2L7Wqn5TtnYC3s by BogDrakonov@cryptodon.lol
2023-06-21T23:06:37Z
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@stux I hope cryptodon will refuse to federate with anything Zuckerberg owns.
(DIR) Post #AWvulOIMh0biPTc0fI by Basic_Bench@mstdn.social
2023-06-22T00:44:04Z
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@stuxYou have to wonder if he's got a plan to enshittify mastodon or if he's just making another boneheaded decision like the metaverse.Idk what the privacy protections for masto are but I imagine his goals are largely to mine it for data, I guess if somebody else pays for the servers that's just a plus.
(DIR) Post #AX5CcKZfBpLtv9qXIG by Urban_Hermit@mstdn.social
2023-06-26T12:16:54Z
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@stux Wow, this thread. Some people seem to be really concerned about their privacy on a public forum where they are literally shouting into the void where 10 million accounts could be listening. I agree that big companies are usually psychopaths, but I am glad to see knee jerk defederation is not the default path for the instance I am on. Thanks for the openness and clarification, and trying to get ahead of the rumours.