Post AWp2VkYZbXTTZ1a1i4 by maphew@indieweb.social
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 (DIR) Post #AWngHavQE0uFUM9WE4 by tchambers@indieweb.social
       2023-06-17T20:37:42Z
       
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       To real concerns that Meta might do to Acivitypub as Google & they did to XMPP, this seems helpful including this point via  @darius "Regardless of bigco shenanigans around open protocols, Kazemi isn’t worried about what happens with ActivityPub. 'The nice thing for me is that if the big companies do jump in [to support ActivityPub] and then sort of walk it back,'  he remarked, 'at worst, we’ll be back to where we are right now, which is still a pretty nice place.'”https://thenewstack.io/why-developers-should-experiment-with-the-fediverse/
       
 (DIR) Post #AWngHbjlCrAk0Thigi by Blort@social.tchncs.de
       2023-06-17T20:53:03Z
       
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       @tchambers @darius Seems like that kind of ignores the "extend" part of #EmbraceExtendExtinguish... When they start adding their own weird, undocumented stuff on top of #ActivityPub and then all of the real #FOSS activitypub clients don't/can't implement it, then most people are going to blame them for being broken, rather than GoogBook for not following the standard. Then people learn that only MegaCorps clients "work right" and stay there when the clients stop using activity pub all together.
       
 (DIR) Post #AWp2VjnQQplDCnWNDk by maphew@indieweb.social
       2023-06-18T16:02:25Z
       
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       @tchambers @darius Meta, Google, etc. are enormous. Whatever they direct their attention to, and away from, will change. There's no getting around that.I'm silent on whether advance de-federation of Meta is good/bad. I just don't know enough.Email is a federated open protocol. It's alive for the independent operator, but only so long as they don't want to interact with the big boys. So that's a mark in the successful EEE column.Html5 and CSS is a mark for openness though. I remember the...
       
 (DIR) Post #AWp2VkYZbXTTZ1a1i4 by maphew@indieweb.social
       2023-06-18T16:10:26Z
       
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       @tchambers @darius...Html5 and CSS is a mark for openness. I remember the incredible lengths we had to go through to make a web page work with all platforms and their individual attempts to EEE.That success came because of strong efforts from places like Mozilla Foundation and web dev communities like A List Apart to make NOT being spec compliant embarrassing for Microsoft. The lesson here, to my mind, for what's needed for success is a coherent public message.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Standards_Project
       
 (DIR) Post #AWp2VlDh8eMrcYoro0 by maphew@indieweb.social
       2023-06-18T16:21:05Z
       
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       @tchambers @darius One of the related projects to the web standards effort that I personally think was integral to the larger eventual success was CSS Zen Garden. A public and engaging show case for what is possible with the standard. A flexible framework that anybody could pick up and publish their flavour of beauty and coolness for us to wow at and learn from.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Zen_GardenI don't know what the equivalent Activity Pub garden might be, but we should look for it.