Post AWYX6ptNG9OCthabNg by isaacs@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AWYBQzO1TIDJ8y864m by vandomva@bird.makeup
2023-06-08T20:07:02Z
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I want my taxpayer dollars to help trans people transition.I want my taxpayer dollars to help people with unwanted pregnancies get abortions.I want my taxpayer dollars to help people access HIV meds.Retweet if you agree. Conservatives should not dominate this conversation.
(DIR) Post #AWYFNNbjsKEqvH5052 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-06-10T14:42:28Z
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@vandomva>I want my taxpayer dollars to help trans people transition.Then pay for it yourself without using the state. Transitions are something people *want* not what they desperately *need*, so it's not justified to force people to pay for them, no matter how much you want to be forced* to pay for them.*as in, not able to change your mind@isaacs
(DIR) Post #AWYK53hhdcCnkax744 by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T15:35:10Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva gender affirming care is medical care, and we live in a society. If the purpose of society is not to care for its members, what the hell good is it?
(DIR) Post #AWYMOlJJvursPA4S4u by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-06-10T16:01:09Z
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@isaacsIt's more of a luxury. Should all body modifications be paid for by the taxpayer?@vandomva
(DIR) Post #AWYMmBFHfqONV7LjNI by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T16:05:22Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva all body modifications deemed medically justified by a doctor, yes. Most medical care modifies the body, that's generally the point.
(DIR) Post #AWYNFxGAElxOoPxV2G by wrongthink@cdrom.tokyo
2023-06-10T16:11:19.055607Z
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@vandomva It would be nice if the extorted could at least direct where their extortion money goes. I suspect very few would elect to send their extorted money to conduct wars or to experiment on populations. Even better would be if nobody was extorted at all. Imagine all the transitions you could have had already had you been allowed to save your money instead of being robbed by the largest cartel that happens to dominate your particular geographical region.
(DIR) Post #AWYRYiwu4GKRkO9fLE by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T16:08:41Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva but also, you're way off base in this debate, because it's not a matter of debate. OP said, and I agree, "I want tax money to pay for such and such". You can't disagree with some else's desire, you can have a different desire or think less of them for having it, but it is what it is. Yes, I want *you* to be *forced* to contribute to the welfare of the society you depend on, even if you are too shortsighted to see the value of doing so.
(DIR) Post #AWYRYjcNa3VPp1YmzQ by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-06-10T16:58:57Z
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@isaacsAnd I can say "fuck you". It doesn't contribute to the welfare of society as a whole at all. Just that small portion of it with weird ideas who threaten suicide if their weird ideas are not respected.@vandomva
(DIR) Post #AWYRptHatt5cig1DJQ by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-06-10T17:02:05Z
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@isaacsBy "body modification" I meant things like making your hand into a cup, tattooing yourself with stripes (say, because you feel like a leopard or whatever, making your ears pointy.Those are much closer to modifying your genitals because you feel like a different gender than actual lifesaving surgery.@vandomva
(DIR) Post #AWYTIvhd59TuZpbhTc by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T17:18:31Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva if you honestly believe that "gender affirming care" only means "genital modification because feelings", or that social and medical gender transition is not statistically proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be "lifesaving care", you are not informed enough to be discussing this issue in public.
(DIR) Post #AWYX6ptNG9OCthabNg by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T17:20:49Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva Health insurance routinely covers elective sterilization, post mastectomy breast augmentation, and reconstructive facial surgery, largely due to the social and mental health benefits of these treatments. If adding leopard stripes made a large group at high risk of suicide and depression 66% less likely to off themselves, yes, we should pay for that, because a society not worth living in for some is not worth living in period.
(DIR) Post #AWYX6qqvgj1nsPSAD2 by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T17:23:49Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva furthermore, our healthcare system *already* covers gender affirming care for cis people in a huge number of cases. How is transitioning logically any different than HRT to treat a cis woman with abnormally high testosterone levels who doesn't want to grow a beard? It's just oppression of a victimized class of people, and it's fucked up.
(DIR) Post #AWYX6reYiCj8MKfnZA by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T17:28:58Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva hell, I was able to get "genital modification because feelings" covered by my insurance. The social emotional benefits of me not being fertile were deemed medically valid enough to cover a vasectomy. Cis people get body modifications and gender affirming care, covered by their insurance, ALL THE TIME, for far less pressing "life saving" reasons than gender transitions.
(DIR) Post #AWYX6sX9REOb5eDOeu by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-06-10T18:01:09Z
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@isaacsThat makes sense. I would say taxpayer funds shouldn't go towards those two examples either. The fact that they treat cis people rather than trans people makes no difference.@vandomva
(DIR) Post #AWYXuqLDrbdClmScAy by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T18:10:11Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva what medical care WOULD you be ok with tax money paying for? And how is it any different?
(DIR) Post #AWYhunGGJXFwl6ktKy by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-06-10T20:02:15Z
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@isaacsThe ones that cure diseases, not ones that make people "more comfortable in their body".https://berserker.town/@Hyolobrika/110521001855980794@vandomva
(DIR) Post #AWYl1muiIw0VZQhe2y by isaacs@fosstodon.org
2023-06-10T20:37:06Z
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@Hyolobrika @vandomva so anyone with a terminal illness should just die in agony then?
(DIR) Post #AWZCSkBlF2XHhSkrUu by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-06-11T01:44:05.202867Z
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@vandomva I agree and I think it's already the case here (France), basically because we got social security.