Post AWRVCmVhBcL08CVAIq by thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io
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(DIR) Post #AUaJuz5PE9Gob3zYUC by mac@jawns.club
2023-04-12T18:30:34Z
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The opposite of “return to office” advocates isn’t “work from home” advocates. It’s a rich tapestry of “open offices are distracting” people and “I’ve never gone this long without being sick” people and “commutes are a waste of time I don’t get paid for” people and “I’m an introvert and playing house with coworkers sucks the life out of me” people and “I have a family and appreciate the flexibility” people and “I primarily communicated with coworkers through Slack anyway” people and “no one wa…
(DIR) Post #AUaWF7MVMmwDVOMAZk by wyri@toot-toot.wyrihaxim.us
2023-04-12T18:45:25Z
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@mac Exactly! In the same way that "return to office" isn't just control freak bosses/managers. It's also people "that need it for structure", people "that need people around them", people "that need a clear separation between home and work life".
(DIR) Post #AUaWF8XB0b4J8mMCqe by Mabande@mastodon.social
2023-04-12T19:04:02Z
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@wyri @mac Honestly, the employees demanding that everyone else come in so they can hang should get a hobby, a hubby, or a social life. I don't mind anyone (nor myself) going back into the office if it serves a purpose, what I detest is being required to because someone else has a need to see me be there while they not interact with me.
(DIR) Post #AUaWF9Ig9z49W6a8tE by wyri@toot-toot.wyrihaxim.us
2023-04-12T19:27:43Z
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@Mabande @mac they need a job where that is the situation. While I would love to have more people in the office. My believe that you should work where you work best, office, WFH, train, beach, park bench, is a lot stronger. Zoom and such tire me out a lot more than in person pairings. But when that isn't possible we'll figure something out and I block my calendar to decompress afterwards. Not that it matters as my current team is NA east coast while I'm in Amsterdam
(DIR) Post #AUaWF9nsI01H4rB3Vw by walruslifestyle@octodon.social
2023-04-12T19:37:38Z
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@wyri @Mabande @mac people who don't want to return to office: working in an office is destroying my life!you: Zoom makes me tired
(DIR) Post #AUaWFARZuNmL3zklOq by wyri@toot-toot.wyrihaxim.us
2023-04-12T19:40:35Z
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@walruslifestyle @Mabande @mac Go back and read the rest
(DIR) Post #AUaWFAroKqlKNM1iHw by walruslifestyle@octodon.social
2023-04-12T19:46:32Z
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@wyri @Mabande @mac already did. I don't usually dive in and make a smartass comment without context. What I see is that you're attempting to "both sides" an issues that is absolutely not a "both sides" issue. Besides the fact that this behavior is annoying as hell, it's a bizarre position to take.
(DIR) Post #AUaWFBOQNaqm0VHl7g by wyri@toot-toot.wyrihaxim.us
2023-04-12T19:54:01Z
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@walruslifestyle @Mabande @mac Mandatory WFH fucked me over badly and was literally destroying my life. Trying to make this about anything else then making sure people work where they work best is destructive on the same level and empoyees/employers demanding you are coming to the office/WFH. There is no "both sides" there is people, and everything trying to make this about "office side vs WFH side" is part problematic at the very least.
(DIR) Post #AUaWFC2TyetQ0k1kYq by wyri@toot-toot.wyrihaxim.us
2023-04-12T19:58:15Z
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@walruslifestyle @Mabande @mac Further more, tons of articles, social media post, etc etc claiming that you work better from home feels very demeaning when WFH fucked up your life for 2 -3 years just because some people work better from home. Great, then work from home. I'm not going to tell you shouldn't, I rather have a coworker that is happy then one that is depressed because they have to come to the office.
(DIR) Post #AUaWFCbZsAxvlaRmGO by bananarama@mstdn.social
2023-04-12T21:16:33Z
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@wyri @walruslifestyle @Mabande @mac WFH fucked me up too. I became completely unemployable, nearly went homeless and I am still recovering.I appreciate this response and the grace with which you delivered it, especially in contrast to the obnoxious tone of the guy who made it necessary.
(DIR) Post #AUaYTsRxI839Va4Uy0 by wyri@toot-toot.wyrihaxim.us
2023-04-12T21:41:44Z
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@bananarama @walruslifestyle @Mabande @mac Hope you will fully recover from it, that sounds even worse then we went through :(.Thanks, because I was really pissed while writing that. Guess my communication skills have improved.
(DIR) Post #AUaYYOxsLNxDVf9wau by gotofritz@fosstodon.org
2023-04-12T20:34:29Z
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@mac Look I am sorry that you USians have built your cities around cars and the average commute to work is about 1.5hrs of hell. But can we stop with this this tiresome "work from home" fetish? Which is only open to white coller workers, those with big enough homes, and other privileged classes.Anyone who doesn't recognise that groups of people working together are more productive when actually in the same space are arguing in bad faith, too self-absorbed, or both
(DIR) Post #AUaYYPmZIuVI2ssQbo by bananarama@mstdn.social
2023-04-12T21:42:34Z
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@gotofritz @mac Remote work isn't just for US elite though. The same technologies are being used to help distribute work across areas with lower costs of living. If you can cut costs because you can employ people living in lower CoL areas, that's a big benefit.
(DIR) Post #AUbtn7z5WUYQITJdzc by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-04-13T13:15:16Z
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@mac While valid, those reasons also come off as a bit whiny
(DIR) Post #AWRRlNWxeUimyeKqqu by Alex@wreck.rocks
2023-06-07T07:58:17.502924Z
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@mac and also "get a job that doesn't require you to be in an office" people
(DIR) Post #AWRVCkhfu6jQWm5hhI by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2023-04-12T18:43:50Z
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@mac @thomasfuchs And also, the 'I'm significantly more productive now and therefore better for the organisation I work for than I ever was before' people like me. If you want to see me being a worse worker, just bloody observe how much less I get done on the days you make me go into the office versus the days I don't.
(DIR) Post #AWRVCleWNJnrTHchQ8 by mudasobwa@mastodon.social
2023-04-13T06:37:28Z
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@JonnyT @mac @thomasfuchs that does not work for those who bring some value beyond pure code. Brainstorms, knowledge sharing, pair programming etc does not work well from the remote.
(DIR) Post #AWRVCmQjU4MrsoBCZE by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2023-04-12T18:49:07Z
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@mac @thomasfuchs And if you really want to see my productivity sky rocket, give me a 4 day week, dammit.
(DIR) Post #AWRVCmVhBcL08CVAIq by thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io
2023-04-13T14:06:21Z
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@mudasobwa @JonnyT @mac I’m, sorry but you’re wrong. You’re making blanket statements without backing them up.Remote work works really well for many companies, and more importantly the people working there. It’s actually better in many regards as things are documented better and don’t get lost in ephemeral meetings.
(DIR) Post #AWSBPUmWblakzE7PXM by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2023-06-07T06:58:48Z
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@mac the people who'd like to "return to office" aren't a monolith either. There's the "why should I pay for electricity and internet that I use for work" people and the "I can't focus at home" people and the "slack prevents information from getting to me through osmosis" people and "I have noone to talk to" people and....
(DIR) Post #AWSBPVSi4vKt63r6I4 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2023-06-07T16:16:41Z
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@lispi314 > most non-barbaric placesIf there is one barbaric place that does that, then it's valid for people there to use that reason.Also, having 2 or more people in a video call at the same time may require upgrading to a more expensive plan with higher speed or lower latency.> electricity costs you can file in with your taxesMaybe in your place, also taxes are scary and not everyone knows how to min-max them without getting in trouble
(DIR) Post #AWSBPXKz6cLQugFxWi by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2023-06-07T16:20:58Z
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@lispi314 As for Slack - in my experience, most of the nitty-gritty details are discussed in DMs. You can't just overhear one coworker explaining a problem to another while going to the kitchen get more tea.At my previous job, which was part-time and mostly remote, me becoming roommates with a coworker increased their awareness of the situation at work by an order of magnitude.
(DIR) Post #AWj0gcBbhTXrvr8Co4 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-06-07T18:47:44Z
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@mac and "commuting is a bitch" and "i'm not a morning person" and "all my favorite snacks are here" and "half the fucking team is remote already so what's the point"