Post AWJL7BOVCaPWlQ9Jqa by smallcircles@social.coop
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(DIR) Post #AWJL7BOVCaPWlQ9Jqa by smallcircles@social.coop
2023-06-03T09:54:26Z
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Beware that #Matrix is fiddling with archiving public (world-readable) chatrooms and publishing that in a searchable manner at https://archive.matrix.org This already happened, while opt-out is still being discussed. Bad.The bot that does this is:@ archive : matrix.orghttps://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-public-archive/issues/47https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-public-archive/pull/239#Privacy
(DIR) Post #AWJMGKqhWCuEeEGchU by chiefgyk3d@social.chiefgyk3d.com
2023-06-03T10:09:12Z
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@smallcircles this is not a good idea 🤦‍♂️
(DIR) Post #AWJMGLTLCXoYa4LTvc by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-06-03T10:18:57.314Z
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@chiefgyk3d@social.chiefgyk3d.com Why?This seems like a deliberate effort to solve the "discord problem" with information being lost to unindexed chat rooms.It's not like matrix has any "under the hood" ability to steal information from rooms, it's a bot that transparently displays where it exists.@smallcircles@social.coop
(DIR) Post #AWJNy8ITeDMqPkhv72 by jaywink@jasonrobinson.me
2023-06-03T10:08:32+00:00
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@smallcircles@social.coop Public is public after all. I think people need to be more aware of that. Anyone could archive messages for any public rooms, and probably are doing so. It could happen via a normal user looking bot.At least in this case it's something that happens in the open.
(DIR) Post #AWJP5j3nSeWQPm1cno by elicin@stereophonic.space
2023-06-03T10:50:40.702141Z
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Does this only effect people using Matrix.org or any server running their software stack?
(DIR) Post #AWJSU3az3xCyurqFw8 by smallcircles@social.coop
2023-06-03T11:07:01Z
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@elicin I am not sure. Just bumped into this via a heads-up by @RyunoKi
(DIR) Post #AWJSU4LQHIM5EtZLJw by RyunoKi@layer8.space
2023-06-03T11:19:15Z
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@smallcircles@elicin I only learned about it while lurking in a specific Matrix channel for a project I used to be active in until a power grab occurred (my point of view. I blogged about it).From what I gather it was announced in a previous twim („this week in matrix“) and is actively discussed in issues.It even appears to affect members-only rooms (even though are assigned noindex, nofollow robots meta tags).That being said, I haven't fact checked.Let me know if you want to have links.
(DIR) Post #AWJSU5L6ZxhAKCQbSq by elicin@stereophonic.space
2023-06-03T11:28:37.123649Z
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If this is something implemented at the software stack level, then that may be a clear sign for us to jump ship. If it is something done on individual home servers, I.E Matrix.org you would only ever need to worry about having said users in your space where anything sent will be scrapped and cataloged. But that is pretty concerning indeed and what you've told us so far does seem to imply that it is affected at the software stack level.
(DIR) Post #AWJUWcY8H8TfoNrHQe by elicin@stereophonic.space
2023-06-03T11:51:32.871784Z
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If this is something intergrated into the software stack itself, enabled by default then that may be a clear sign for us to jump ship. If it is something that can just be enabled on each individua home server, I.E with Matrix.org where you'l only ever need to worry about having said users in your room where anything sent will end up scrapped and catalogued then that is pretty bad but could've been far worse. Though it is pretty concerning indeed and what you've told us so far does seem to imply the former rather tha the latter.
(DIR) Post #AWJUaojSvE1wkpA0Bs by elicin@stereophonic.space
2023-06-03T11:52:19.012253Z
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If this is something intergrated into the software stack itself, enabled by default then that may be a clear sign for us to jump ship. If it is something that can just be enabled on each individual home server, I.E with Matrix.org where you'll only ever need to worry about having said users in your room where anything sent will end up scrapped and catalogued then that is pretty bad but could've been far worse. Though it is pretty concerning indeed and what you've told us so far does seem to imply the former rather tha the latter.
(DIR) Post #AWJUcPriLcS8D4mUIC by elicin@stereophonic.space
2023-06-03T11:52:36.658144Z
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If this is something intergrated into the software stack itself, enabled by default then that may be a clear sign for us to jump ship. If it is something that can just be enabled on each individua home server, I.E with Matrix.org where you'l only ever need to worry about having said users in your room where anything sent will end up scrapped and catalogued then that is pretty bad but could've been far worse. Though it is pretty concerning indeed and what you've told us so far does seem to imply the former rather that the latter.
(DIR) Post #AWJUeAuIvuI4Ofpaxk by elicin@stereophonic.space
2023-06-03T11:52:55.623808Z
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If this is something intergrated into the software stack itself, enabled by default then that may be a clear sign for us to jump ship. If it is something that can just be enabled on each individual home server, I.E with Matrix.org where you'l only ever need to worry about having said users in your room where anything sent will end up scrapped and catalogued then that is pretty bad but could've been far worse. Though it is pretty concerning indeed and what you've told us so far does seem to imply the former rather tha the latter.
(DIR) Post #AWJUn8NDiqBx94d1aS by elicin@stereophonic.space
2023-06-03T11:54:31.445367Z
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If this is something intergrated into the software stack itself, enabled by default then that may be a clear sign for us to jump ship. If it is something that can just be enabled on each individual home server, I.E with Matrix.org where you'll only ever need to worry about having said users in your room where anything sent will end up scrapped and catalogued then that is pretty bad but could've been far worse. Though it is pretty concerning indeed and what you've told us so far does seem to imply the former rather than the latter.**__Edit:__** Sorry for clogging up your notifications from those last couple of redrafts. Must've been scatterbrained today as my spelling had been atrocious.
(DIR) Post #AWJWQYGDVaoEgFiDfE by RyunoKi@layer8.space
2023-06-03T12:08:29Z
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@elicinWhat I've read so far:The scraping is implemented by a bot (archive:matrix.org?) join your room, vacuum up everything and phones home.The room settings is only respected somewhat? (Reflecting robots meta tags).It's not clear by people in said channel how the bot decides which room to join let alone how to stop it from doing it in the first place.Banning it is meant to take down the associated content after five days max (could already be too late IMHO).
(DIR) Post #AWJWQYw304GmlzHcrg by elicin@stereophonic.space
2023-06-03T12:12:51.514974Z
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Banning the bot ahead of time could help in newly created rooms at least but is hardly ideal. I'm glad though that something like this hasn't been implemented at the server stack level for operating Matrix instances. I really do hope they'll provide documentation on how the bot will work so that we'll better understand how to mitigate it. The thought of a bot randomly appearing in a room and archiving stuff just because it was set to public at some point doesn't really sit well with me.