Post AWBlXjUS6FYPaEZcae by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
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(DIR) Post #AWBjSFPaItYywMYNRA by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:00:38Z
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Do I *really* need to write another Gilbert & Sullivan "Modern Major General" parody, this time about AI? Last time I parodied that song was about Google long ago.
(DIR) Post #AWBjkTPezD39ZpHORE by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:03:21Z
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@lauren
(DIR) Post #AWBkAmJhKCONje2A5I by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:07:05Z
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@escarpment Awful. Vomit inducing.
(DIR) Post #AWBkJ6NmbWG4Hjui5g by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:10:01Z
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@escarpment This is actually a good example of the kind of bland crap that spews forth from those systems.
(DIR) Post #AWBkL2zsAA1oMcep7Y by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:10:26Z
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@escarpment It's meter is awful. Not even close. Dismal. Disgusting. Vile.
(DIR) Post #AWBkU35rAoMvGlkTuy by whetstone@romancelandia.club
2023-05-30T18:09:52Z
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@lauren the world *always* needs another modern major general parody
(DIR) Post #AWBkYAT3hLRdIZZ6zA by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:12:53Z
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@lauren If an infant child or a canine suddenly started making parodies of Gilbert and Sullivan songs, I wouldn't remark "your meter is dismal, disgusting, vile"- I would be awestruck. That is how I feel about a computer doing this. Sure, its meter isn't as good as a person. But it's doing the thing. Nowhere to go but up.
(DIR) Post #AWBkjprs75t2stjdXU by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:15:08Z
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@lauren The blandness or non-blandness is pretty much irrelevant to me. I more marvel about how it captures something about the existing song- it "understands" that it needs to find words that create multi-syllabic near rhymes with the word "general", and therefore found words like historical, ethereal, mathematical, and categorical.
(DIR) Post #AWBklUcs3s5XaCVbxQ by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:15:29Z
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@escarpment It's just throwing together buzzwords at random to try match the song pace. In a quick search I was able to find where it likely pulled most of that from (and of course it didn't attribute it). It's garbage.
(DIR) Post #AWBkqWInFzPgEHVyym by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:16:25Z
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@escarpment Wow, it knows how to find rhymes. Alert the media!
(DIR) Post #AWBkvtE1SOSYluqNH6 by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:16:41Z
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@lauren And this "understanding" is completely emergent behavior given only a corpus of text to process. No one programmed in the concept that "Modern Major General" makes use of multi-syllabic near rhymes for the word "general".
(DIR) Post #AWBkvu3QNHZnLKtQOW by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:17:23Z
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@escarpment As I said, it only takes a couple of searches to discern where it likely lifted most of that.
(DIR) Post #AWBkzeFV515PTyKLQW by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:18:03Z
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@lauren How on earth does it know what the "song pace" is. It is remarkable that an AI system has a representation somewhere of "song pace". Where do you think it pulled it from? I have had it generate all sorts of song parodies, all pretty good in my estimation.
(DIR) Post #AWBl77MbEOs5o4D3Gy by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:19:23Z
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@lauren Where? I'm curious if you have a link. Even the ability to lift text from other sources and combine them into a song form is far beyond any computer program I could write.
(DIR) Post #AWBlAEx7TJlGDDmRUW by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:19:59Z
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@escarpment Just Google around. That's what I did.
(DIR) Post #AWBlC5nsSVhQPrLBYG by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:20:12Z
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@lauren It's not the mere finding of rhymes, but the genre of rhymes. How does it know what types of rhymes it is supposed to use? How does it form a representation of "rhyme types"?
(DIR) Post #AWBlENWlX4NxxuQWau by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:18:42Z
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@lauren Isn't the "throwing around of buzzwords" a *good* tactic when making a parody song?
(DIR) Post #AWBlEOF4sJpaBL9ufA by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:20:46Z
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@escarpment It's how one writes BAD parody songs.
(DIR) Post #AWBlVoiVhD5jDNEfTs by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:23:52Z
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@lauren Good and bad are in the eye of the beholder. Different people like different comedy. I don't expect the system to make groundbreaking amazing art.I'm just amazed that it seems to have encoded things about the major general's song such as "rhyme type", "pace", "meter". I'm amazed it can lift AI buzzwords from sources and package them into song form. Computers couldn't do that before. Now they can.
(DIR) Post #AWBlXjUS6FYPaEZcae by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:24:18Z
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@escarpment I actually played with these (including Bard and others also) fairly recently experimenting with just this topic. All the results were of the same low quality, with chunks obviously lifted from sites and no attributions offered. The EU is moving on this.
(DIR) Post #AWBlt9da51vkl73fBw by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:28:11Z
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There actually have been systems to do this sort of thing for many years (generally not public), that were actually far more proficient. But you are of course free to be amazed at whatever you wish.
(DIR) Post #AWBm17KAZ1vftxm8WG by raphael_fl@wandering.shop
2023-05-30T18:29:28Z
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@lauren Go ahead.
(DIR) Post #AWBmJ1ko0smJq0m58y by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:32:35Z
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@lauren I feel pretty strongly that "quality" is an opinion word. About opinion words, I feel the catchphrase "do not dispute over tastes" applies. Or the catchphrase "the is-ought problem"- that you cannot make an argumentative leap from what is to what ought to be. Ergo, your high quality thing may be my low quality thing.That's why I don't get too hung up on quality. Rather, I merely observe what is: it is in song form, with grammatical sentences, and multi-syllabic near rhymes.
(DIR) Post #AWBn8r9if6oc1i8qYK by escarpment@mastodon.online
2023-05-30T18:37:38Z
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@lauren I wish it weren't so. I wish there were good art and bad art. I wish people didn't like schlock and hate stuff I think is good. I wish people didn't like the Big Bang Theory. I wish every TV show creator shared my sensibilities so that I had more stuff to watch, so I don't have to rule out most stuff as derivative crap that I never want to watch.But alas, quality is subjective.
(DIR) Post #AWBn8rn4IoI5zkYGsy by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-05-30T18:42:07Z
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@escarpment Agreed that BBT was awful.