Post AVv3MFE5FUpV8WMIsK by sparky@tech.lgbt
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(DIR) Post #AVuNFIC9cGcKF5SUvg by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-22T09:02:09Z
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With Instagram allegedly creating a text based app akin to Twitter that supports ActivityPub, would you support your instance blocking Instagram.Boost to help get a better view of the landscape.
(DIR) Post #AVuNoIPIosVj2GIdhA by thingsiplay@mstdn.games
2023-05-22T09:08:26Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Blocking is the opposite of what I want. I want companies to support and connect to ActivityPub. Why would I want block an Instagram instance? What is the reasoning behind it?
(DIR) Post #AVuNwiTFnbpoBgAAKG by thingsiplay@mstdn.games
2023-05-22T09:09:58Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Blocking is the opposite of what I want. I want companies to support and connect to ActivityPub. Why would I want block an Instagram instance? What is the reasoning behind it? (BTW I am on a gaming related instance, therefore I only boost gaming related stuff, so it does not get off topic stuff. Not sure if that is the correct way of handling Mastodon.)
(DIR) Post #AVuO8xdnDuFWi9vnd2 by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-22T09:12:11Z
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@thingsiplay I'm of 2 minds about it, on one hand it brings in a ton more people to the fediverse, on the other hand even assume 1% adoption instagram would 10x the size of the fediverse overnight which could cause some serious stability issues for larger instances.
(DIR) Post #AVuOAb24FggBAh46zI by torspedia@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-22T09:12:32Z
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@BrodieOnLinux the first time I'm hearing of this.
(DIR) Post #AVuODA5QtMqWTArXo8 by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-22T09:12:58Z
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@thingsiplay I'm of 2 minds about it, on one hand it brings in a ton more people to the fediverse, on the other hand even assume 1% adoption instagram would 10x the size of the fediverse overnight which could cause some serious stability issues for larger instances. Most instances don't care if you repost other things, but I can't speak for yours
(DIR) Post #AVuOILK4XmHylXBGgy by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-22T09:13:54Z
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@torspedia https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/19/23730070/instagram-twitter-app-competitor-leak
(DIR) Post #AVuOU4yHAFQ1Wka8n2 by thingsiplay@mstdn.games
2023-05-22T09:16:00Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Oh yeah from practical point, it can be problematic. I didn't see the question from that point, but more from principle point of view. So lets say the technical reason of flooding and breaking the system wouldn't exist, are there any "political" reason against it maybe?Yes, I hate Facebook and all sub companies of it.. oh wait, Meta, right. But connecting through Activity Pub I don't see any problem. Ideally Twitter should connect to us too. That would be ideal.
(DIR) Post #AVuOlZF5ryxuKomsV6 by raccoon@stereophonic.space
2023-05-22T09:18:57.374146Z
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@thingsiplay @BrodieOnLinux Keep in mind this comment might be based on misunderstanding or ignorance on my end, please educate me if that's the case. With that out of the way:Personally I would because their objective is collecting data, and they can do so if they federate.I have no interest in instagram posts, there's very little I would like to see and to me the trade looks like this:I get to follow the very few accounts I might have a shred of interest for.They get access to data they wouldn't otherwise get and which I go out of my way to try and not give to them.On the public timeline I get to see a ton of stuff that I just generally don't like about mainstream social media, in fact I might even see more of that than I would see fediverse stuff.In my case the trade is not good for me, so that's why I wouldn't want it.
(DIR) Post #AVuOxRHhHcMl81fLk0 by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-22T09:20:54Z
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@raccoon @thingsiplay The fediverse is all public anyway, making an instance to farm that data is more effort than just scrapping what they already can. You should assume anything you're saying on a public service is already being harvested
(DIR) Post #AVuPBCi6GZK7yvZyoy by raccoon@stereophonic.space
2023-05-22T09:23:44.526664Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @thingsiplay That's a fair point I didn't consider. I still feel like the other things I mentioned don't make it an exchange I would care about.
(DIR) Post #AVuQBYoUBhXcUGIfVg by fabiscafe@mstdn.social
2023-05-22T09:34:30Z
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@BrodieOnLinux An instance blocking them just because they are Instagram/Meta would be an instance I dont want to be on.I hate Meta the same way as everyone else, but I want the fedi to be a place for normal people, for companies, a place to build services on and share ideas and the usual gossip.
(DIR) Post #AVuQBu1JLDHIG7Shuq by thingsiplay@mstdn.games
2023-05-22T09:28:48Z
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@raccoon @BrodieOnLinux You can still block instances yourself. To be fair, I have my own trouble understanding some concepts of Mastodon (or Fediverse in general) yet.Having such Fediverse instance would make it possible to connect to all those people without Facebook getting your data. People who don't care have an Instagram account already. This would be beneficial for people who actually care.The reason why Facebook has this power is, because they excluded themselves from open standards.
(DIR) Post #AVuQBunsQe7sgkBUcC by raccoon@stereophonic.space
2023-05-22T09:35:01.582734Z
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@thingsiplay @BrodieOnLinux I feel you, but I don't trust them. If they do this there has to be something in it for them to do this. I fear it's gonna lower the overall quality of the fediverse content.
(DIR) Post #AVuQYzwXUAKXI0F7I0 by fortyseven@defcon.social
2023-05-22T09:39:16Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Only if they were disruptive.
(DIR) Post #AVuR3tp0IMkxHTS9YG by jrballesteros05@social.linux.pizza
2023-05-22T09:44:30Z
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@BrodieOnLinux They applied the EEE with XMPP protocol, so they can go fuck themselves. I will support any instance that block them.
(DIR) Post #AVuSWh72j4q6DUBXfc by thingsiplay@mstdn.games
2023-05-22T09:38:05Z
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@raccoon @BrodieOnLinux I understand you too. It's like when Microsoft says Microsoft loves Linux. Something fishy is going on. :D But the good side is, we don't lose control just because a big corporation comes in. That's the point of Fediverse. If Facebook starts doing dumb shit, then more and more big instances and individuals will block them. And the users can easily transfer their accounts to other instances.I see more benefit than harm, but off course I can be wrong too.
(DIR) Post #AVuSWhnECEaEKJvEQK by raccoon@stereophonic.space
2023-05-22T10:01:10.341284Z
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@thingsiplay @BrodieOnLinux Hopefully you're right, you know, I don't mind being wrong because it's always a growing experience, dunno if it's going to apply here, but I do hope there's more good than harm.
(DIR) Post #AVuUMtLMb36fA9KwwS by chrisdoestech@fosstodon.org
2023-05-22T10:21:36Z
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@BrodieOnLinux it depends on their behavior around other instancesI expect them to data mine/ad spam on their own instance but if they start doing that on other federated instances then it should be blocked all the wayFacebook isn't likely to change their business model for fedi but I'll give them a chance to prove me wrong
(DIR) Post #AVuaprJpnpGD0RokzY by jherazob@mastodon.social
2023-05-22T11:34:21Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I'm more afraid of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish here
(DIR) Post #AVujXi4uJuCcinFxAG by sparky@tech.lgbt
2023-05-22T13:11:53Z
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@BrodieOnLinux My reason for supporting a total block isn't "just because it's Meta"; Federating with Meta would genuinely risk the privacy of the network's users. I have zero confidence that Meta would respect the privacy of users on other instances - it would all just become another personal data mine for them. Also, I doubt an instance of that size could ever be moderated effectively by Fedi's standards.
(DIR) Post #AVujxONOC4vP989Bzs by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-22T13:16:37Z
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@sparky I don't really understand that concern, you already have 0 privacy here, everything you do is public. If meta wants that data having an instance or not doesn't change that
(DIR) Post #AVuscsGAn7grKp3yHQ by dracocide@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-22T14:53:42Z
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@BrodieOnLinux We need to see what will happen in the future. I just hope that Facebook isn't gonna pull a Microsoft on us and drown us out.
(DIR) Post #AVuvRmqcsAAFE7WCci by Aranjedeath@hachyderm.io
2023-05-22T15:22:45Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I'm totally neutral ("don't care") on instance admins making moderation decisions with and for their users. I'm more concerned about such a large company jumping in, doing things at (possibly) such high volume that they flood out smaller servers again. Part of that is AP implementations working on software speed and efficiency, but some may also be handled by defederation
(DIR) Post #AVuxzysspNiCJM0Upk by melroy@mastodon.melroy.org
2023-05-22T15:53:25Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @thingsiplay uhm scaling issues should not be the root cause of avoiding adaption. Growing pain needs to be resolved sooner than later.
(DIR) Post #AVv3MFE5FUpV8WMIsK by sparky@tech.lgbt
2023-05-22T16:52:57Z
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@BrodieOnLinux That's the same argument that Clearview AI use to justify their invasive technology.Also, if Meta wanted that data without being on the network, they'd have to scrape and aggregate it, which takes time, effort, and violates instance ToS, and probably a host of different data privacy laws. As an instance on the network, Meta would automatically ingest all network activity; no effort required, legally not a problem.
(DIR) Post #AVvzHjEw1fJg7FJ9pA by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-23T03:43:07Z
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@sparky It's not a justification, it's reality. You are posting on a public instance. You don't have any privacy. Meta wouldn't need to go through the trouble of building a massive new text based app and making it a part of the fediverse to collect your data, your data is right there to be collected
(DIR) Post #AVvzJoyneleaUql6iu by sparky@tech.lgbt
2023-05-22T16:59:40Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Aside from that, a Meta-owned instance would immediately be flooded with brands and advertisers, who don't understand the difference in culture between a Big Tech platform like Instagram and a community-run network like the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AVvzJpcrFphEV5V6A4 by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-23T03:43:30Z
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@sparky That's a fair concern
(DIR) Post #AVw0R8i4nY4ZfbzRMu by demitasse@pleroma.narrativerry.xyz
2023-05-23T03:56:04.088694Z
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@BrodieOnLinux if you just call the instagram fags niggerfaggots the problem will solve itself
(DIR) Post #AVwIJ2IwWmMef8WHku by sparky@tech.lgbt
2023-05-23T07:16:14Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I agree that, technically they could collect your public data. However, as soon as Meta joins the Fediverse, that data collection isn't just a speculative possibility, it is guaranteed to happen. The fact that Fedi data is public doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to prevent its unconsented collection and use by Meta.You're right that genuine privacy on a public network is an impossibility: I suppose when I say privacy, I more mean "the right not to be surveilled". This is a right that the Fediverse grants, but Big Tech platforms don't. Meta's presence on the Fediverse would definitely threaten that right.
(DIR) Post #AVwJPCPnwurtiCERAO by expertmanofficial@mindly.social
2023-05-23T07:28:31Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I think, no. Only would support, if Instagram's poor dog picture username mention spammers would be annoying. Only if that would happen. Otherwise, voted with "No".
(DIR) Post #AVwz7l1YjPjtubFzOa by pinkcreeper100@tech.lgbt
2023-05-23T15:15:35Z
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@BrodieOnLinuxMaybe instead of a block, maybe just a limit
(DIR) Post #AVy62zuQr6LPSyYooi by PublicLewdness@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-24T04:08:21.799699Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I don't support an instance blocking any other instance for any reason. It should be up to the user to block or mute and decide what they see.
(DIR) Post #AVyu11PvH1KHGvXdNA by torspedia@linuxrocks.online
2023-05-24T13:28:11Z
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@BrodieOnLinux added to my @omnivore, ta! 🙂