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(DIR) Post #AVm8XQk1n8gKSMUEr2 by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T09:38:10Z
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The FSF is considering appointing John Gilmore to their board? The same John Gilmore who invites people to parties and just fails to mention to them that there's LSD in the bottled water? https://www.fsf.org/news/the-fsf-board-candidate-discussions-will-start-on-may-29
(DIR) Post #AVm9lcaSe7wnCgLInY by RogerBW@emacs.ch
2023-05-18T09:52:09Z
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@mjg59 The same FSF that refuses to censure RMS and is inviting no candidates who signed the open letter calling for that, yes.
(DIR) Post #AVm9ubcrabpQpQkaNE by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T09:53:52Z
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@RogerBW There's a reason I resigned
(DIR) Post #AVmA5U8jlJnsnSqYd6 by RogerBW@emacs.ch
2023-05-18T09:55:30Z
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@mjg59 I'm getting a definite "it's perfectly normal for strangers to be naked in the hot tub together, you prude" feeling from them.
(DIR) Post #AVmAGk6OksfjUL7XtI by virtulis@loud.computer
2023-05-18T09:56:46Z
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@mjg59 oh, I forgot RMS is back on the board too.To be honest, I'm not really aware of what FSF actually does these days (except looking pretty bad).
(DIR) Post #AVmAfTnIWcry9Jyx5k by Specialist_Being_677@hachyderm.io
2023-05-18T10:02:04Z
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@mjg59 they are speedrunning "how to alienate those who might support you"
(DIR) Post #AVmDyEbtVDtWQDHbKC by Orca@nya.one
2023-05-18T10:24:38.382Z
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@mjg59@nondeterministic.computer Hello. I searched but there doesn't seem to be many meaningful results, can you share some links that mentioned the drugged party?
(DIR) Post #AVmDyFT4JWQf58A4Cu by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T10:39:07Z
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@Orca no
(DIR) Post #AVmE5IhMhWWT81D9f6 by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T10:39:38Z
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@Orca (not everything that happens ends up documented online, sadly)
(DIR) Post #AVmECu5474LB5uvEUi by erincandescent@queer.af
2023-05-18T10:40:41Z
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@mjg59 I'm sorry WHAT
(DIR) Post #AVmEKhuVFJTZfJhdE8 by CatherineFlick@mastodon.me.uk
2023-05-18T10:42:08Z
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@mjg59 they went batshit a while back, so this doesn’t surprise me in the slightest
(DIR) Post #AVmKI4ufrhzDraudRw by xxv@mastodon.social
2023-05-18T11:49:54Z
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@mjg59 is there any more to the story that you can share here? (There doesn't need to be more to make it bad, but it sounds like it was a lot)
(DIR) Post #AVmLHq3xB7X9lBhc0m by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-18T12:02:33Z
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@mjg59Then don't say it at all, you rumour-mongering, bordering on libellous cunt.@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVmLarwIQSXn59C9tw by djmitche@mastodon.social
2023-05-18T12:03:36Z
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@mjg59 that surprises you?
(DIR) Post #AVmf1pEoTXwpeTQKC8 by film_girl@mastodon.social
2023-05-18T15:41:58Z
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@mjg59 it’s the FSF. Why are we surprised?
(DIR) Post #AVmsJe9BkRVZs4cYC0 by krono@toot.berlin
2023-05-18T18:10:50Z
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@mjg59
(DIR) Post #AVmsgF7swRuovjmnAW by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T18:16:43Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca why not?
(DIR) Post #AVmuokdTsDOksekWRc by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-18T18:40:41Z
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@mjg59Would you like it if someone made unsubstantiated claims about you?@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVmvGhgwPgstrEhFwG by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T18:45:42Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca Evidence not being available to you doesn't mean there's no evidence
(DIR) Post #AVmvSnVsavfnO7I0p6 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-18T18:47:54Z
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@mjg59You expect people to believe you without evidence. In addition to that being disrespectful both to the person you are accusing and the people you expect to believe you, it creates a situation where false accusations can more easily spread. This could hurt anyone, including yourself.@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVmva2JJybPpJBrp5M by emmah@wandering.shop
2023-05-18T18:47:42Z
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@mjg59 "The California Ideology" is a warning not a runbook.
(DIR) Post #AVmvk25beaq1WCDcmm by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T18:48:44Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca I don't expect people to believe me. I expect people to make up their own mind based on how trustworthy they find me in general.
(DIR) Post #AVmwGPT4Gj85I9dCUq by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-18T18:56:53Z
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@mjg59And then you open yourself up to being falsely accused of something bad and not being believed because people find the accuser "more trustworthy" for whatever random reason.Do you really want a society based on mob justice? If you do, don't say I didn't warn you.@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVmweVWbOtfJ1km7QO by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-05-18T19:01:14.124333Z
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@Hyolobrika @/mjg59@nondeterministic.computer @/Orca@nya.one who even knows this guy, personally, well enough to trust his unsubstantiated claims, for the other *every other person on the fediverse he's broadcasting to* it's no better than slander.
(DIR) Post #AVmyMKmOoPjUOhcsRU by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T19:20:18Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca People have already made false accusations about me. I'd rather they have the freedom to do that than it be impossible to warn about potentially dangerous people.
(DIR) Post #AVmz4QEvs9SQ4czkqu by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-18T19:27:56Z
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@MoonMost people in this thread seem to be believing him, sadly.
(DIR) Post #AVn19a1L8QnXlSDySG by QuatermassTools@infosec.exchange
2023-05-18T19:50:00Z
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@mjg59 i think we can safely summarize as, Fuck the FSF and anybody who stills thinks they have value.
(DIR) Post #AVn2oHG1tshzOn46oS by chucker@norden.social
2023-05-18T20:10:12Z
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@Hyolobrika “I don’t want to associate with the FSF because of what I’ve heard and read” isn’t mob justice. It’s someone coming to their own conclusion. You’re welcome to defend RMS. I personally wouldn’t.
(DIR) Post #AVn3jlGH1EZOxcad04 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-18T20:20:37Z
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@chuckerThis has nothing to do with RMS. Also, do you see all the people in this thread believing OP without question?(Also, he didn't say "I don't want to associate with the FSF", he just made a claim)
(DIR) Post #AVn3poiF6IlFOxYl9s by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-18T20:21:43Z
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@mjg59What are your views on misinformation? Say, COVID misinformation.@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVn4Juu8dz1NIDTblY by chucker@norden.social
2023-05-18T20:27:09Z
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@Hyolobrika I don’t believe allegations without question. I believe allegations based on *me seeing* a pattern of defending perpetrators, not victims.
(DIR) Post #AVn4Z8JF5SPrD9TTJg by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T20:29:53Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca People shouldn't say untrue things
(DIR) Post #AVnJiQePlIAE0zGgV6 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-18T23:19:37Z
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@chuckerYou're not making any sense.How do you know John Gilmore is a perpetrator if you haven't seen any *evidence*?
(DIR) Post #AVnNEMIzklclfPAN3A by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-18T23:57:48Z
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@atax1a eep :(
(DIR) Post #AVnPoGnFvKYUuBZWcr by tomlowenthal@mastodon.social
2023-05-19T00:26:34Z
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@mjg59 He did freaking what?!?
(DIR) Post #AVoEtCaW5A6CyLiqyu by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-19T10:00:11Z
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@mjg59What if they don't think they are untrue?@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVohIkroZIAjF7movQ by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-19T15:18:38Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca then they're either corrected by other users or the hosting platform decides that removing the material is to the public benefit
(DIR) Post #AVoifqNQLglkwi9332 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-19T15:34:02Z
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@mjg59And how do the other users / hosting platform know it's not true without *evidence*?@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVokFSNLA8h8t0eR96 by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-19T15:51:38Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca how do you deal with any information you see presented without additional evidence?
(DIR) Post #AVokvUPZyyvRMbk1RI by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-19T15:59:16Z
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@mjg59I don't believe it immediately, obviously. I don't start punishing or slandering people for no reason.@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVolMKLXVqPhxweIAC by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-19T16:04:06Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca if someone you know says they had eggs for breakfast, you don't believe them?
(DIR) Post #AVolVX7nN9hKCfbsW0 by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-19T16:05:47Z
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@mjg59Believing someone had eggs for breakfast doesn't harm anyone's reputation.@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVolh8irvNZPzrU8ci by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-19T16:06:40Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca but you just said you don't believe things unless you have evidence
(DIR) Post #AVolr6eIUP7OSe6DIW by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-19T16:09:41Z
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@mjg59Don't be a pedant.@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVomIjnl1rWJi2hSMq by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-19T16:14:39Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca so your objection is not actually to claims being presented without evidence in the general case
(DIR) Post #AVonKRwWUvYKr5BEQa by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-19T16:26:11Z
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@mjg59Not really, just accusing people of a crime without evidence.@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVoooxPYAFPN5rrtOC by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-19T16:42:53Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca when you say "without evidence", what do you mean?
(DIR) Post #AVovCZmKHTjeTPAQEK by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-05-19T17:54:23Z
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@mjg59What do you think I mean?https://www.dictionary.com/browse/evidence@Orca
(DIR) Post #AVovbg10EK1V3W078K by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-05-19T17:58:56Z
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@mjg59 @Hyolobrika @Orca "Trust me bro"
(DIR) Post #AVovgvBXFwYdYIQcAi by moffintosh@berserker.town
2023-05-19T17:59:53Z
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@mjg59 @Hyolobrika @Orca 🤣
(DIR) Post #AVovqhJzehOjS12vUO by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-19T17:59:21Z
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@Hyolobrika @Orca Ok, good, I have evidence
(DIR) Post #AVpju3g0aHeCX9dlfU by fuzzychef@m6n.io
2023-05-20T03:21:07Z
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@mjg59 They're consistent, at least.
(DIR) Post #AVpkiqN5oOb62O0csK by dirkhh@hachyderm.io
2023-05-20T03:30:13Z
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@mjg59So what does the FSF actually do these days?
(DIR) Post #AVsrFMk3Jua6eWLUJM by jamesvasile@fosstodon.org
2023-05-21T15:26:41Z
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@mjg59 From first-hand experience, I can say John is an amazingly conscientious board member. He won't reform the politics of FSF and he won't be the one to move it beyond RMS, but he will show up, dig in to the details, grapple with hard issues, require straight answers to practical questions, and listen to concerns.Adding John to FSF makes FSF better, perhaps not in the ways it most needs, but better.
(DIR) Post #AVtAyG0D7cpTuY1TJQ by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-21T19:07:44Z
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@jamesvasile can you discuss why he's no longer on the EFF board?
(DIR) Post #AVtF1DxNaG2oFgMvAW by jamesvasile@fosstodon.org
2023-05-21T19:53:25Z
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@mjg59 I don't speak for EFF, but the public statement captures it: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/10/john-gilmore-leaves-eff-board-becomes-board-member-emeritusI personally enjoyed working with John, even when we disagreed. Every human is flawed (especially me) and comes with tradeoffs. Tradeoffs hit different over time and between different sets of people. Under the right circumstances, I would happily work with John again. In fact, I do --- Open Tech Strategies (my company) provides some services to ARDC, where he's on the board.
(DIR) Post #AVtG1gUvZJYQizqO1o by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-05-21T20:04:41Z
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@jamesvasile The nature of those failures to see eye-to-eye seems potentially relevant