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(DIR) Post #AVjr3kiwqTEKCtKBhQ by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T07:14:11Z
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I remeber that it was simply forbidden for students to get to school with the car in highschoolOne of the main reasons: there's simply no space for thousands of cars around a school :amaze: Most kids came on bike, walking or with the bus and maaaaybe a few got dropped off by their parents but that's because their bike was broken..
(DIR) Post #AVjrKNjdZRNppaZnPc by ff0000@chaos.social
2023-05-17T07:17:16Z
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@stux Yes exactly! I went to a high school, which took me almost an hour to cycle to. Crossing a huge bridge in Rotterdam (van Brienenoordbrug) both ways. Only in the worst of winter i was allowed to have a public transport card. And i think for a high school of ~ 2000 people, we had at most 50 parking spaces around the building.
(DIR) Post #AVjrOy2EYB0TZVSepM by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T07:18:02Z
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It's also quite normal that kids walk to school by their own! 💪 Or play outside without a parent constantly looking at them.. Here in the Netherlands it would be kinda suuper creepy if you constantly hang out around kids actually
(DIR) Post #AVjrTPhBeQAKW9jkLA by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T07:18:58Z
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@ff0000 Rotterdam is a more extreme example in this but yeah :blobcatgiggle: I lived in Drenthe where we solved by coming with the tractor :bloblaugh:
(DIR) Post #AVjrfc7DIgBcVnjCro by ff0000@chaos.social
2023-05-17T07:21:08Z
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@stux Hahaha! Hunebedden provincie represent! :yayblob: But i think it was, and mostly still is normal right, for teenagers to cycle to high school. I was an extreme example because the high school was a more regional one (raised gereformeerd vrijgemaakt, so high school was also gereformeerd vrijgemaakt).Tractors were not an option for us. :P
(DIR) Post #AVjrjePGivAsmC69ia by Kaetchi@mastodon.online
2023-05-17T07:21:52Z
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@stux totally agree, often no time for free play at all, either some sports music or other lessons after school, it’s mad and bad for kids
(DIR) Post #AVjrrP8DOqKpiaopPs by MagicLike@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T07:23:19Z
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@stux same here in Germany
(DIR) Post #AVjs6Ny40bD6S8DL4S by s1m0n4@ohai.social
2023-05-17T07:25:58Z
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@stux well it depends on the age. Young children get easily injured when playing or climbing things. Starting from 8 y/o you can let them play alone outside, but you still need to check frequently on them in case something happens. And this includes regular fights among children or inappropriate language. Until they're ready for a smartphone, you need to be close. As a parent I don't wish my boys to get a device before middle school
(DIR) Post #AVjsXSSZPoeQCfOOaO by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T07:30:55Z
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@stux same in #Germany:Kids take pride in walking or even biking to school - even in Elementary...
(DIR) Post #AVjsgz9BFpIqBfrkum by Cameo@mastodon.social
2023-05-17T07:32:32Z
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@stux my high school was a 15 minute drive, or a 42 minute cycle with a 450 climb. Growing up rural in America, cars were the main way to get fur than then a few miles. The school bus would take 45 minutes to get to school. Only about 500 kids in the entire school, so 30-60 cars were typical for a day. Most kids carpooled if they knew someone with a car.
(DIR) Post #AVjsmHiHeYH3DWoQAS by Cameo@mastodon.social
2023-05-17T07:33:35Z
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@stux it’s so weird that as a kid, we never had supervision, but most of my peers Hyper-supervise their kids to the point where the majority of their 21+ kids still live with them. So weird.
(DIR) Post #AVjstyrJdXvL3fhryC by paul@oldfriends.live
2023-05-17T07:34:54Z
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@stux I was older than my classmates because of a winter birthday and a mother that held out sending me to kindergarten until the last moment possible.I started driving midway through the 10th grade.Usually at my school in the U.S. it was 11th graders that started driving. We were a rural school. Most students lived miles away and there was no public transportation or sidewalks. There were school buses, but most would spend more than an hour and half each way on the bus.
(DIR) Post #AVjtB2VFLEupHbWBSS by 10011011000010@mastodon.online
2023-05-17T07:38:00Z
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@stux I remember a winter where we went to school on ice skates because the bus was canceled, 6 km and on time 😂
(DIR) Post #AVjtBcdJ0kkjL1Z81A by Noordkaapfujin@mastodon.social
2023-05-17T07:38:08Z
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@stux However, the car industry is working hard to put an end to this.
(DIR) Post #AVjtOTPMcWAEUaAkRE by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T07:40:24Z
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@Cameo Exactly! And we turned out all right and not kidnapped right? :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AVjtUvVv2L53OkJdBo by nlarson830@techhub.social
2023-05-17T07:41:37Z
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@stux Not Netherlands....LAMy highschool was 9km away.175m down and then 100m up to the school. Riding a bicycle to school did not happen.Local City College that I did bicycle to was ~8 km but 200m down. Dad would come pick me up in the car to go 200m back up to home.
(DIR) Post #AVjtckkCxfgmJVjOIS by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T07:43:00Z
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@nlarson830 :blobcatgiggle: I also had to bike 14-15 Km to school but thats about 30 min or so 😮 not as many hills though!
(DIR) Post #AVjtvERjGjqBe3tobA by Melinda@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T07:46:23Z
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@stux Yes, we have noticed on holiday in the Netherlands that children enjoy much more freedom and fun than in the UK. Lovely to see them peddling everywhere on those lovely safe cycle tracks next to roads. That's what childhood should be like. Also the fact bikes have priority, car drivers have to give way to bikes. Fantastic.
(DIR) Post #AVjuJGmUEvmDpv4Qoi by nlarson830@techhub.social
2023-05-17T07:50:44Z
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@stux Yeah, not so many hills there 😁 A few kids rode to school, not many, others came by the school bus and parent's cars.I don't think anyone came by public transport.
(DIR) Post #AVjujq4VeVoOolAa4O by picard@mas.to
2023-05-17T07:55:31Z
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@stux I live in the UK, near a few schools. And the amount of traffic is remarkable. Seems like almost every parent brings their child in a car. Dozens or hundreds of cars, seemingly all bringing one or two children each. Massive queues, everyone totally stressed out at being stuck in traffic.I really hope we in the UK learn from the Netherlands about the huge advantages of building shared spaces that are people-first.
(DIR) Post #AVjzBp7fAsOJnbFD5U by cloudy@chaos.social
2023-05-17T08:45:25Z
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@stux That’s why my school recently built a new parking lot 💀 (approx 200-300 cars capacity; germany)
(DIR) Post #AVk06RlOhBktrGpVKa by stux@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T08:55:40Z
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@cloudy wooaw! that's like an airport!
(DIR) Post #AVk07cbfrmLxmFqGoK by rossaverde@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T08:55:46Z
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@stux used to be like that here. Now they and there parents are so car-bound you never see them playing
(DIR) Post #AVk0SRvqkWa6kgD6zg by cloudy@chaos.social
2023-05-17T08:59:37Z
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@stux The second lot shown is the one I meant. 3 rows deep and about 200m long I’d say 🥲
(DIR) Post #AVkKdLVWyRwl5yNCRU by djshep1973@mastodon.online
2023-05-17T12:45:44Z
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@stux Same here, in the UK - or at least it was like that, when I was a kid, in the 70s/80s. Seems like something changed though, in the time between - now the ‘school run’ is a big thing and a nightmare for anyone that lives near a school. Same, re. playing out, without supervision. What happened to the mass games of football that I was always doing, after tea?
(DIR) Post #AVkVXD9QEIsww6JEiO by trebach@masto.ai
2023-05-17T14:47:48Z
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@stux The schools here are all along the same road. It's 70-90 km/h with blind curves, no bike lanes, and no shoulder. It is far too dangerous to bike to school
(DIR) Post #AVkrRKGb3hZcG8GQhk by Melinda@mstdn.social
2023-05-17T18:53:20Z
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@stux The Netherlands got it right! In the UK children tend to be driven to school, sport and other classes. It is not good for children or the environment.
(DIR) Post #AVlENFxLRPIqg5HtNA by TheNurseIsIn@med-mastodon.com
2023-05-17T23:10:00Z
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@stux this was the best part of being a latch key kid. #GenX
(DIR) Post #AVoHDp1776oZrF7hEO by skquinn@toot.community
2023-05-19T10:26:14Z
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@stux I remember that the first high school I went to require you to be a junior for a parking permit. I managed to miss by half a credit because I calculated wrong so I was technically a 10th grader for 2 years in a row. The few times I drove to school I parked on the street about a block away, not on campus. Due to some unrelated issues, wound up transferring to a school that was much less strict about who could park on campus. Life was good.