Post AVWOfYAOPsITDeEhdo by calebccff@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AVWOfXSn1zQ12Ppsg4 by neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
2023-05-10T19:05:57Z
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It is such a shame that phones age, and become obsolete, so much faster than laptops.I am using a £190 laptop from 2017, and it works just fine - brilliantly, in fact - with Debian on it. Everything works, and the battery life is fine. I expect it to continue to work fine for quite a while to come.I have a couple of Mac Minis from 2012, with upgraded RAM and SSDs. Great machines.But a five year old phone, let alone an 11 year old phone?
(DIR) Post #AVWOfYAOPsITDeEhdo by calebccff@fosstodon.org
2023-05-10T19:19:38Z
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@neil the smartphone market has been on a major decline, removing expandability and upgradability in favour of thinner and more fragile aesthetics.and then the software supply chain is done so poorly than handling more than a few years of stable upgrades results in ungodly costs.there is no justification for it, and we should hold OEMs and BSP vendors to account
(DIR) Post #AVWXi5ALb0svjOUszo by VModifiedMind@know.me.uk
2023-05-10T19:07:51Z
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@neil 5 year old iPhones work fine - plenty of people use them and are on latest OS (iOS 16 supports iPhone 8 and later - that's 2017 so 5-6 years) - but yes 11 years... not a chance.But I would say that phones have had a lot more innovation in the last decade than computers - they're largely the same but just faster variants, whereas mobiles did spend the first half of that last decade rapidly improving... (not so much now).
(DIR) Post #AVWXi6VebHWRtlTPqS by neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
2023-05-10T19:18:51Z
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@VModifiedMind Yes, a 5 year old iPhone seems to be on the edge of support - I am not sure the iPhone 8 will get iOS 17, and there is little scope for installing a different OS after that.
(DIR) Post #AVWXi7Ive4wCMaWleK by VModifiedMind@know.me.uk
2023-05-10T19:22:52Z
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@neil indeed, although my iPhone 5 still receives iOS 12 security updates...
(DIR) Post #AVWXi7yP9s7ARDvtIW by neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
2023-05-10T19:23:58Z
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@VModifiedMind Which is impressive in a pretty bleak landscape, but not the same as being able to switch OSes to keep up with new features etc. or support more recent apps.
(DIR) Post #AVWXi8ZGwnbaHZBKlM by VModifiedMind@know.me.uk
2023-05-10T20:40:51Z
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@neil I agree - it is a shame - realistically the iPhone 5 is slow and somewhat obviously limited though even on iOS 12 - so I suspect the reality is it isn't 'that' useful even if you could.Whereas computers from a decade ago are being used by our customers every day without a thought... they're just as capable as the day they arrived.
(DIR) Post #AVWXi9JiA8kgbauQ9A by VModifiedMind@know.me.uk
2023-05-10T20:47:30Z
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@neil What I do wonder is, given phones are now mature, will the phones of today work well in a decade if you could get an OS that they can run...
(DIR) Post #AVWXiA5DJWkWyv8MBk by penguin42@mastodon.org.uk
2023-05-10T21:06:18Z
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@VModifiedMind @neil At least we're at 64bit phones now, so that's one reason not to deprecate the current set. IMHO the big problem is batteries; someone needs to standardise phone batteries.
(DIR) Post #AVWXiDQwrAuxNCKFyy by VModifiedMind@know.me.uk
2023-05-10T20:49:49Z
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@neil OF course there is another consideration - the older phones simply won't work soon in many respects as the networks they can connect to won't exist.It won't matter how good support is, if they've not got a 4G or 5G radio, they'll be useless regardless - and I guess phones of a decade ago are going to be much more likely not to be any real world use soon because of that.
(DIR) Post #AVWZCoW5eDET1dsvY0 by VModifiedMind@know.me.uk
2023-05-10T21:23:05Z
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@penguin42 @neil Batteries are readily replaced still - not so much the radios etc...
(DIR) Post #AVWbrd59GWdHLKsCo4 by penguin42@mastodon.org.uk
2023-05-10T21:52:53Z
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@VModifiedMind @neil I think you've got a fair chance if you start with a recent device to have a radio that's going to last more than 10 years. 3G was launched in 2003 here, so it's had 20 years. You say 'batteries are readily replaced' - how do you find a matching battery in 10 years time?