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(DIR) Post #AVPsjzRq4zdywQQA7M by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-07T15:52:54Z
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There are two very wrong, very dangerous claims being made in my mentions right now. One is that nothing ever happens on gun safety. The other is that Democrats have done nothing on the issue.There’s even an odd third one claiming Democrats haven’t been bipartisan enough on the it. These claims are not only wrong but dangerous to efforts to elect people to office who will bring more change. They’re dangerous to efforts to save more lives. Don’t spread such things if you care about helping. 1/3
(DIR) Post #AVPsk1HHHENscFUkvw by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-07T15:55:08Z
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Biden signs gun safety bill into law : NPRhttps://www.npr.org/2022/06/25/1107626030/biden-signs-gun-safety-lawGov. Whitmer Signs Commonsense Gun Violence Prevention Legislation to Keep Michigan Communities Safehttps://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/news/press-releases/2023/04/13/whitmer-signs-commonsense-gun-violence-prevention-legislation-to-keep-michigan-communities-safeThese are the gun control laws passed in 2022 | CNNhttps://www.cnn.com/2022/07/30/us/gun-control-laws-2022/index.html 2/3
(DIR) Post #AVPsk2wn4NBVnHvQHI by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-07T15:58:16Z
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Washington adopts historic new gun safety laws | Governor Jay Insleehttps://www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/washington-adopts-historic-new-gun-safety-lawsAre Democrats perfect? No. Nobody is claiming that, either. But we are the ones making progress and the party overall trying and succeeding in taking this on.By claiming otherwise dishonesty, you hurt the election efforts of the very people were trying to put into office to make more progress and the organizers doing the work. There’s nothing progressive about that. 3/3
(DIR) Post #AVQbPkIBDMuK59cjy4 by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-07T16:01:51Z
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As as addendum, a great post from @DemLabs about the importance of following the money. Follow the money blocking gun safety reforms-https://thedemlabs.org/2023/05/07/follow-the-money-blocking-gun-safety-reforms/
(DIR) Post #AVQbQQa1zO8tEgIaci by Lowie@universeodon.com
2023-05-07T15:59:10Z
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@TonyStark You. Rock. 😎❤️
(DIR) Post #AVQtqNO0HkEk2ACD1E by stopgopfox@libretooth.gr
2023-05-08T03:45:57Z
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@TonyStark Most of these are bad faith actors making bad faith claims. I'm not sure if many foreign ops are on here or not, but plenty of right wingers gleefully figure out ways to suck the energy out of the left with the time tested method of divide and conquer. The good news is they typically reveal their game pretty quick, which makes blocking easy enough.
(DIR) Post #AVQzwElPr5sUkqKCUi by KathyLK@universeodon.com
2023-05-07T17:38:50Z
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@TonyStark The problem is that as has happened with local laws, the NRA can sue and the Supremes will rule in the NRA's favor. We need tough national gun control laws. Until we can get the Greedy Obstructionist Psychos (GOP) out of office, that's not likely to happen. What we COULD do, though, is to somehow insure SCOTUS is not overrun with GOP partisan hacks. The Dems haven't exactly been proactive enough in that regard.
(DIR) Post #AVRbKDbbVfy2Ps29LM by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T11:53:08Z
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@stopgopfox Yeah, some pose as left or maybe are misguided left, too, though. Those are more dangerous IMO especially when I see people I know interacting and falling for it.
(DIR) Post #AVRdJ9tY1JBCWj36Vk by Pineywoozle@masto.ai
2023-05-08T07:41:07Z
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@TonyStark I would reblog this endlessly if I could. Progress is doing the work & moving forward, not standing and pointing at what imaginary thing you think is wrong with someone else’s work. #USPol #farL
(DIR) Post #AVRpAkVLjfhkuhUG8G by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T14:02:46Z
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@DemLabs @mentallyalex @Linza @MeeMee I am not . For some reason you’re twisting my words and making odd assumptions about me. We cannot reverse Roe. It’s a case that’s gone. It would require a new case to make it to the court and be redecided which won’t be happening with this SCOTUS. Also, you don’t know what body parts I have. Lastly, I’m not throwing anyone under wheels. I work for abortion rights every day. I don’t accept taking rights.
(DIR) Post #AVRpAlF4zeHhCWsmPY by JamesBazan@mastodon.coffee
2023-05-08T14:24:08Z
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@TonyStark Reading back through that exchange, there is bird cage level bad faith from that person. I've been seeing a lot more "Blame Democrats First" in the past few days. It seems the GOP figures they can finally move past Trump and are starting to try to weaken the Democrats.
(DIR) Post #AVRpAltUZObvDrn3Oy by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T14:27:51Z
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@JamesBazan I’m sure you’re right. It’s not the only exchange- there are at least 5 more. One I just blocked outright claiming Dems could have stopped Trump via the GOP primary. Not how it works. We (obviously) don’t control that process.Lots of my mutuals are following that one, too. I simply worry this stuff might work on some people.
(DIR) Post #AVRpFYi510xDmTjdLc by mentallyalex@beige.party
2023-05-07T20:11:21Z
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@TonyStarkI really wish more people would focus on what exists instead of what they want to see.The dishonesty cycle is good for the short-term business gains, but at the cost of our civilization. @DemLabs
(DIR) Post #AVRpFZMqZRZ1ouoBtI by MeeMee@universeodon.com
2023-05-08T01:19:40Z
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@TonyStark @DemLabs @mentallyalex I was just telling someone in my mentions that the current GOP fascist op has been in the works for over 40 years! Change takes time. (If Dems had stuck like glue behind our own candidates and went out to vote in midterms the way we do in the president election, we wouldn’t be living this nightmare right now. We have to cut through the bs and vote every damned time and stop giving the GOP a platform.
(DIR) Post #AVRpGzrNYeH6H5lohM by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T01:24:06Z
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@MeeMee @DemLabs @mentallyalexSo many current issues wouldn’t be what we’re now dealing with. I mean, just starting with SCOTUS. Roe would still be the law of the land. Sad.All we can do is go forward now and I truly hope most people get it.
(DIR) Post #AVRpWXc8LKs7Iy3Flw by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T11:55:55Z
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@DemLabs @MeeMee @mentallyalex @Linza Uh, that’s kind of a cruel reply but at any rate, moving forward with electing people who will protect the right to choose and therefore be able to change the makeup of courts over time is just what we need to do. Holding people accountable and protecting rights is moving forward.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbeG9lIuX2i9cnI by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T14:37:03Z
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@TonyStark @JamesBazanI'm seeing increasing activity from Pro-GOP Left accounts too. They're not brand-new accounts, so I suppose this is due to changes in how I'm interacting with the Fediverse, or how they are.Immediately after Dobbs, Pro-GOP Left messaging was extremely effective in converting pro-choice sentiment into anti-choice action. It was all over national TV news and talk shows, not just on social media.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbet9QK6QzeOlZg by mentallyalex@beige.party
2023-05-08T14:42:58Z
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@barney I've seen that too.It's almost like 'sleeper cell' activity. Like they've all got pre-2020 join dates but were mostly dormant or innocuous until a few months ago.it's anecdotal, I haven't really dug into the info, but yeah... there is something there.I have no idea *why* they're suddenly visible or active, it might just be I'm noticing them but I don't think so.@TonyStark @JamesBazan
(DIR) Post #AVRwbfSbIWSWlaz4pU by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T14:51:32Z
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@mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan On Twitter, I had a better sense of inauthentic or coordinated propaganda campaigns. Often, nonstandard language revealed ostensibly US accounts to be foreign-based.The Fediverse is changing so rapidly, I don't as confident making similar assessments here.I think it's clear that protracted exposure to disinformation and defective journalism has both instilled false factual beliefs, and destroyed rational thinking ability, across all voter segments.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbg376lfMaq4Ek4 by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T14:55:23Z
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@mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan My conclusion is that supplying evidence that corrects false factual beliefs, and/or pointing out invalid reasoning, has potential value in helping voters to realign their behavior to match their own values.In general I think that change is likely to occur not in the Pro-GOP Left accounts that post false information or magical thinking arguments, but in others who may be following them, or following relevant hashtags.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbgan5YbYHHp8Ea by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T14:59:25Z
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@barney @JamesBazan @mentallyalex Barney- first I really, really like what you have to say. Glad we met.How do you suggest dealing with an account who, no matter how many facts (with good, agreed upon sources) you supply, just say “you’re wrong.”Say for example, the one I hear often that Democrats could have simply codified Roe during Obama, or that Biden can throw Clarence Thomas off the court. (Seriously suggested to me more than once recently.)
(DIR) Post #AVRwbhEqgceCHWZ7fk by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T15:05:41Z
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@TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex Another falsehood I often see is "Biden could expand SCOTUS right now if he wanted to."I think there is potential value in responding to such false posts with factual information, and including or adding any hashtags that might enhance the ability of one's post to reach other users who may have been induced to believe falsehoods.Again, the target of such a reply is probably not the account to which one is replying, but others who may see the reply.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbhp0WBZS5fU024 by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T15:08:22Z
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@TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex Sometimes, a Pro-GOP Left account will reply back to me, restating the same falsehood. I think there's potential value in replying to that reply, again supplying disconfirming evidence.This is in case someone happens to "tune in" to the conversation late, such that their exposure to the thread stared with the false reply.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbiQwF9ubzJEI9g by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T15:10:08Z
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@TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex However, posting correct information and valid reasoning process only has the potential for positive effect if it reaches someone who believes a falsehood or isn't thinking properly.If you reply to a low-follower account, and your reply contains no hashtags, then you're really only reaching your own followers, and that is not helpful.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbiv4R80zUlKM7c by mentallyalex@beige.party
2023-05-08T15:12:52Z
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@barney equal challenge of providing bad faith accounts with a platform. Someone like Tony responds to someone with single or double digit followers and now everyone who hangs on Tony's account looking for people to bully can now drill into his response for new targets and potentially new members of their campaign.I know it seems fantastical, but like Necromancers they raise soldiers from the bodies of those they attack.@TonyStark @JamesBazan
(DIR) Post #AVRwbjQcXpFh4c5YIa by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T15:20:11Z
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@mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazanGood point. Replying to a disinfo account gives that account a second chance to target your own followers. That problem is larger for a big account like Tony's.The relative effectiveness of that follower-targeting tactic is smaller in the Fediverse than it was on Twitter, because people follow hashtags here. Disinfo trolls can target a hashtag's followers just as easily as they can attack a person's followers.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbk7VyLYzDe9o9o by mentallyalex@beige.party
2023-05-08T15:26:42Z
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@barney I agree in part, but I would think that hashtags make weaker targets.If someone is following a hashtag I have to either target the person using the hashtag directly, or hope for someone to also use the hashtag that I can 'twist' for my purposes, right?By attaching to Tony, I can reply to him, heat him up with something minor. I don't want him to reject me I just want *his* followers to engage. Similar to the old joke about the secret to finding out something on Stack Overflow is to make two accounts.1 - Ask the question.2 - Answer yourself wrong.3 - collect the 40,000 right answers from people wanting to correct you.You can use that on someone like Tony as well. "trip" or make a subtle misstep and see who shares his responses and who responds to me. Those people are likely targets for "high impressions".With disinformation, subtle is going to play a lot harder than direct. Not everyone has the mentality to loudly disagree so they'll just consume without question.@TonyStark @JamesBazan
(DIR) Post #AVRwbkhJpECf0guOxs by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T15:39:33Z
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@mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan Excellent point. One that I shall ponder more deeply offline.Follower-triggering often allows trolls to change the subject of a thread and effectively instill false info. E.g.:Me: Actually, Biden can't expand SCOTUS. That requires an act of Congress, and the Dems don't have enough votes.Troll: Whatabout how the Dems could have codified Roe, but they refused to, because they are secretly anti-abortion? [this is false]My follower: You suck, troll.
(DIR) Post #AVRwblN9JhfD6QToAK by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T15:46:15Z
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@mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan That kind of "follower-targeting whatabouting" allows trolls to attack my followers with disinformation. The absence of a directed reply tends to imply that the disinfo is true. My follower is unwittingly helping the troll attack themself and all my other followers too.
(DIR) Post #AVRwbm1Culhr6fDnbU by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T15:49:00Z
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@mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan Sometimes I'll jump back into such a thread, even if I previously deemed it unworthy of further engagement, with something like this: "That's false, but the topic of this conversation is expanding SCOTUS. Biden does not have the ability to do that. You said he does have that power, but that is false. Expanding SCOTUS requires an act of Congress."
(DIR) Post #AVRwbmi6LI19FhI3Si by GreenFire@mstdn.social
2023-05-08T15:51:35Z
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@barney @mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan The pushing of false narratives about what it is possible for Biden or Congress to do contributes a lot to the voter apathy which is what makes progress so much more difficult.
(DIR) Post #AVRwjheX1vuDsoOdZA by edgeoforever@mastodon.world
2023-05-08T15:53:15Z
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@GreenFire @barney @mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan it’s the reason. Only some of the pushers are ignorant. The ones starting those are devious.
(DIR) Post #AVRwrzh7ppOG9hYxyC by GreenFire@mstdn.social
2023-05-08T15:54:44Z
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@edgeoforever @barney @mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan I hope that some teaching colleges are now offering classes on how to teach about modern mis/disinformation techniques.
(DIR) Post #AVRyd0LtJ9U5l8bwky by ChristiJunior@bae.st
2023-05-08T16:14:27.760288Z
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@TonyStark @TonyStark We need nigger- and tranny control, not "gun control".
(DIR) Post #AVS3BziC51Fxj2yzsO by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T16:12:51Z
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@JamesBazan @barney @mentallyalex @GreenFire Hoping everyone who follows me takes this in, although the last person I explained this too in a very sincere way told me to fuck off, which in turn affects my motivation and negatively affects turnout. Suppose I’ll just block those people from here forward.
(DIR) Post #AVS3C0WB5BEsE4Mumm by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T16:43:47Z
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The explosion of anti-Dem disinformation in the immediate wake of Dobbs was, IMO, probably the clearest-yet demonstration of how our faulty information environment causes would-be progressive voters to act in direct opposition to their own deeply held values.1/n@TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire
(DIR) Post #AVS3C186o9a27i7CuO by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T16:46:55Z
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One day post-Dobbs, MSNBC interviewed an attractive young woman who used her national platform to unleash a litany of anti-Dem lies. MSNBC didn't push back to correct her.MSNBC identified Zoe Warren only as a "protester." In fact, she's a member of Rise Up 4 Abortion Rights, a phony front for a cult that is well known to real abortion rights groups (https://www.instagram.com/p/CfPGy-Vub-u/?img_index=1).2/n@TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire
(DIR) Post #AVS3C1uftaQcYKpzbk by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T16:55:28Z
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A Pro-Republican Left activist with a large Twitter following amplified those lies, and took them a step further: In a Twitter video that I think is still up now, he asked his pro-choice followers to sign a petition, in which they promised NOT to support the pro-choice party.A petition is a powerful "foot in the door." Inducing someone to take an action like that helps to cement their commitment to a cause, and ensure their later loyalty.3/n@TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire
(DIR) Post #AVS3C2WFdsUCQsQ0B6 by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T16:59:01Z
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Those anti-Dem lies, which originated from a tiny extremist cult that isn't a real abortion rights group at all, were picked up and repeated by a high-profile anti-Dem politician. She amplified the lies on social media and national TV platforms, including Stephen Colbert's show.4/n@TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire
(DIR) Post #AVS7huJo4Emo5834qG by zleap@qoto.org
2023-05-08T17:56:09Z
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@GreenFire @edgeoforever @barney @mentallyalex @TonyStark @JamesBazan Agreed, however given the reasoning behind the book bans seems to be books turn you gay / trans which of course is just GOP nonsenseEspecially given the fact in Florida you are risking a 3rd degree felony charge for not removing non a p proved books.So you may determine the reasoning is flawed but have little choice but to follow the ban anyway.
(DIR) Post #AVSAAqXTOlkyfLMsZk by JamesBazan@mastodon.coffee
2023-05-08T18:23:46Z
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@zleap @GreenFire @edgeoforever @barney @mentallyalex @TonyStark The point of requiring people to agree 2+2=5 is not to make them believe it, or even to claim is is true, but to deny the existence of a reality external to the Party.
(DIR) Post #AVSL52pnryvUYgNUem by edwardchampion@universeodon.com
2023-05-08T18:35:54Z
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@barney @TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire To Tizzy's credit, he removed the tweet and the TikTok. But I can find no record of what he actually said.
(DIR) Post #AVSL59EU58EYOxyHxY by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T18:43:14Z
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If he did delete only that Tweet (and not, say, all of his tweets), then I agree, that is to his credit.He replayed MSNBC's video of the anti-Dem cult telling anti-Dem lies, and then he mirrored their anger, demanding that the Dems "do your job." He asked his followers to sign an online petition, pledging to stop donating to Dem candidates, and not vote for them, until they did things that were not actually possible to do.@edwardchampion @TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire
(DIR) Post #AVSL5DGP5w96u4tsVU by edwardchampion@universeodon.com
2023-05-08T18:45:24Z
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@barney @TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire I don't see any tweet or TikTok to this effect. It would be helpful when making claims about someone to archive the tweets and the videos.
(DIR) Post #AVSL5DkBJDxuOQpevA by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T18:51:50Z
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Well, you're in luck. Turns out Tizzy never deleted the tweet. It's still up:https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1541203023984197634@edwardchampion @TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire
(DIR) Post #AVSL5EXSM1NerFt0j2 by edwardchampion@universeodon.com
2023-05-08T18:59:52Z
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@barney @TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire Thanks. I watched his TikTok and it is not so much about her and more about the general problem of Democrats begging for money when they refuse to do anything to codify Roe. A criticism that you probably don't want to hear, but given how many pledges for money I get in my inbox, often from Democrats who have done fuck all, it isn't invalidated by this "activist" being a possible plant.
(DIR) Post #AVSL5JGykiAfXbDQEi by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T19:06:13Z
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The topic of this discussion is how the messaging of the Pro-Republican Left causes even people who care deeply about abortion rights to act in direct opposition to their own values.This video is an example. He asked his pro-abortion-rights followers to stop donating to or voting for the party whose work protects abortion rights for millions of American women.@edwardchampion @TonyStark @JamesBazan @mentallyalex @GreenFire
(DIR) Post #AVSURjb6SSWJ8xOciG by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T14:45:12Z
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@barney @JamesBazan @mentallyalex As a long veteran of social media, and not to imply anyone else isn’t, it’s coordinated. Look at Facebook. There’s no reason to assume Mastodon is immune, especially because a large number of administrators pay no attention to their instances.
(DIR) Post #AVSUVrikCKk7UmwLAG by jeff@federated.fun
2023-05-08T22:11:37.096880Z
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@TonyStark @barney @JamesBazan @mentallyalex you dont seem to understand here. people aren't being attacked by russian bots, we all just think you're all vapid retarded dipshits who have shitty opinions.
(DIR) Post #AVSVmjEL7NyU2YK6fw by mia@freespeechextremist.com
2023-05-08T22:25:59.502933Z
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@TonyStark @barney @JamesBazan @mentallyalex Says the man that larps as a children's movie character to shill occupy democrats bullshit on fedi.
(DIR) Post #AVSlc0Iqts3N4VLGmO by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-08T19:09:14Z
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@edwardchampion @barney @GreenFire @JamesBazan @mentallyalex We also need to keep in mind that we’ve never given Democrats big enough majorities in the national level to accomplish codifying Roe although we can’t actually codify it now, Roe itself. Ship sailed. On the local level where the majorities are sufficient, Democrats are doing quite a lot.
(DIR) Post #AVSlc106J4eFEdZoBs by barney@mas.to
2023-05-08T19:35:22Z
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Yes! Dems are responsible for numerous state and local laws that protect abortion rights, as long as we keep voting for them.Even the most well-intentioned among us are too easily dragged away from reality in our inability to remember that. Professor Darren Hutchinson of Emory Law prepared this lengthy thread to bring us back to reality, by reminding us how many millions of lives depend on our votes:https://twitter.com/dissentingj/status/1541409863905034245@TonyStark @edwardchampion @GreenFire @JamesBazan @mentallyalex
(DIR) Post #AVWtsItdbD3YCdxbxA by Tengrain@mastodon.social
2023-05-11T01:07:35Z
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@TonyStark And let’s not forget that WA State just banned assault weapons, mandated training, and put a waiting period, and allows citizens "to sue firearm manufacturers or retailers for irresponsible conduct.”More here: https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-media/washington-adopts-historic-new-gun-safety-laws
(DIR) Post #AVWtsJVZKBOi6Hhu4m by TonyStark@progressivecafe.social
2023-05-11T01:08:58Z
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@Tengrain Thank you, Tengrain! It’s my 3/3 but I will boost it as many times as possible. It’s a big accomplishment. 💯
(DIR) Post #AVWtsKDsfQqKJiRI92 by Tengrain@mastodon.social
2023-05-11T01:13:22Z
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@TonyStark Gov. Inslee is going to be so hard to replace. I wish he was staying on for a 4th term.