Post AVM8mp5frlmaJyaR1M by Johannab@wandering.shop
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 (DIR) Post #AVLjmkp7EXDqEViCdE by Johannab@wandering.shop
       2023-05-05T14:00:47Z
       
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       I wish people would stop using terms like "war room" and "arms race" in realms like technology advancement and social structures like organizations and government/politics.We need "strategy tables" and "community forums" and "collaboration interfaces".The words have meaning and shape the interactions. The message, in its connotations, corrupts the medium.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLjmlUEle7EI2x2jA by ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch
       2023-05-05T15:48:09Z
       
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       @Johannab > "I wish people would stop using terms like "war room" and "arms race"I am not sure I agree. I believe this betrays the fact that people who work in science and technology are often doing so in order to strengthen the class of people that include the most wealthy people in the world. It betrays the fact that the wealthy class has a deep understanding of class war, they have a deep understanding that the working class is their mortal enemy, and that they are actively, consciously engaged in class warfare against us. Unfortunately, the working class doesn't understand the class war that they have been forced into, they don't recognize who their true enemies are, so they fight each other. I wish the working class would recognize who their true political enemies are and start fighting back. By all means, use the terms "war" and "arms," that is what is going on, and we're losing.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLjmmAQEnrMOsgjTs by Johannab@wandering.shop
       2023-05-05T15:51:59Z
       
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       @ramin_hal9001 Sorry, I'm really not going to be pursuaded on that. Buying in to that system is the problem. I'm here in federated and open-source communications spaces to do less of that. If "people who work in science and technology" are indeed doing so to strengthen the capitalists and oligarchs, THAT'S THE PROBLEM and why the language around it needs to shift to disempower that.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVLjmmioAxMi7WmC4u by feld@bikeshed.party
       2023-05-05T15:59:30.300918Z
       
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       > If "people who work in science and technology" are indeed doing so to strengthen the capitalists and oligarchs, THAT'S THE PROBLEM and why the language around it needs to shift to disempower that.How do the people who work in science and technology make a living if they're not working for the capitalists and oligarchs?
       
 (DIR) Post #AVM8mlWT8Cq5Fv5mEK by ramin_hal9001@emacs.ch
       2023-05-05T16:01:28Z
       
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       @feld @Johannab > "How do the people who work in science and technology make a living if they're not working for the capitalists and oligarchs?"Exactly. There is no way to make a living in tech WITHOUT serving the oligarchs.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVM8mp5frlmaJyaR1M by Johannab@wandering.shop
       2023-05-05T19:13:06Z
       
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       @ramin_hal9001 @feld I recognize this. Also gotta pick the small battles at times and start shifting the ethic in those ways.Unions, co-ops, labour-favouring market conditions can all be leveraged. As can "more ethical leaning capital" choices, like baking in a lower shareholder return that comes AFTER something like carbon offsetting.My current tear is about language. My team should not see our customers as "the other side" from a "war room". We're all trying to keep hospitals running, FFS.
       
 (DIR) Post #AVM8mtHsGLuzKyKEam by feld@bikeshed.party
       2023-05-05T20:39:11.555667Z
       
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       I always interpreted the "war room" as the _problem_ being the enemy, not the customer/client