Post AVLOvjqg83dymKsybA by MarcinW@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AVKsnO1cBhP8FByUwC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T06:02:51Z
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Here's the problem.Recent growth on mastodon.social is greater than the growth rate of November 2022.But growth on other servers, like mstdn.social, has flatlined.This has been confirmed to me by numerous Mastodon server admins.Very concerning!@fediversenews
(DIR) Post #AVKsnOtUxMVQwJBWvQ by selea@social.linux.pizza
2023-05-05T06:06:02Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews And it is because they claim that people are confused when they are going to chose a server.I personally, think that changing the word "server" to "community" during the signup process would make the process easier for new users (I think/hope).
(DIR) Post #AVKtF4lLOlbIbwZFSK by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T06:10:59Z
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@selea There's a few problems:1. There was any wizard to help people find the *best* server -- it was just 10,000 servers and hope for the best2. People don't know what "decentralized" means, so they go for the server that they perceive gives them the biggest network effect3. People are being sold on "Mastodon as a Twitter replacement", not on "Fediverse as a Big Social replacement", which means federation is something people don't figure out until they register.
(DIR) Post #AVKtJIuGkmPpdUl4k4 by cnx@larkspur.one
2023-05-05T06:11:52.093159Z
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I know I’ll sound telling you this, @atomicpoet, but have you considered not being part of the problem by migrating to elsewhere?
(DIR) Post #AVKtzaIgTSIVkDL5BQ by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T06:14:19Z
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@cnx And I'll respond the same way I do ever time:1. I admin three Calckey servers, including the flagship2. I admin a Pleroma server3. I admin a Pixelfed server4. I run two Friendica groups5. I'm active on Streams, /kbin, sequel, and others.Just because I'm here doesn't mean I can't be elsewhere.
(DIR) Post #AVKtzb1hm4JHzqP2MC by cnx@larkspur.one
2023-05-05T06:18:36.952797Z
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Sorry, should have looked you up first, @atomicpoet, but then perhaps stop posting from the instance you’re reading this reply from? If anything, people registering because they want to follow someone would first try to do so on the web UI without being informed otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AVKxDdPG1SCXIInxtg by ErikJonker@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T06:43:21Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews is that worrying from a scientific perspective, should we expect in a system/network like Mastodon that all nodes grow at the same pace ? Will a large Mastodon.social not also lead to growth of other nodes in the end ?🤔
(DIR) Post #AVKxDeDwyykbpWWRua by cnx@larkspur.one
2023-05-05T06:55:39.820642Z
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@ErikJonker, I don’t think it should be viewed as a binary problem, e.g. the growth of gmail and outlook also correlates with the growth of other email providers, but it’s hardly what we want for obvious reasons. I think we should come up with a size threshold for an instance to healthy and sustainable, socially.Unlike emails, most messages are public, so we’d want members, even though/if originally being total strangers, to develop a sense of community and self-regulation for common benefit. This can only be done if they know each other (in the sense of seeing others’ posts regularly) and I’d draw the line at around a few hundred (to be generous) active posters.Cc: @atomicpoet and @fediversenews
(DIR) Post #AVKyGSvpWVH9d9xE92 by skua@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T06:59:10Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews @atomicpoet Seems it's time for newish mastodon.social users to move to other instances.If you've got the hang of Mastodon then consider the benefits of diversity and move to support diversity if you can readily.Time to find out how to move and what it results in.:bongoCat:
(DIR) Post #AVKyGTgciWhpyHqb56 by cnx@larkspur.one
2023-05-05T07:07:23.798920Z
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Yep @skua, or even better, all mastodon.social users aware of the issue. BTW I strongly recommend checking out other microblogging implementations as well.
(DIR) Post #AVKyKxkStCxgMhmafI by xarvh@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T07:08:08Z
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@selea @atomicpoet @fediversenews That is a really good suggestion!
(DIR) Post #AVLAaCPpq1PdeHAINc by zimzat@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T09:25:19Z
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@selea The problem is that I don't define myself by a single interest and I don't want to shard my personality into a dozen different accounts. There's just one me and that's too much work to keep track of.I am a venn diagram of developer, gamer, reader, open source, techie, LGBT+, etc; picking just one is impossible.If it were as easy to create a server as to create an account I'd have done that instead, but then I'd be in no community.
(DIR) Post #AVLOvjqg83dymKsybA by MarcinW@mastodon.social
2023-05-05T12:06:04Z
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@selea @atomicpoet @fediversenews that's because people *are* confused when choosing the server.Personally know people who bounced off that step.Also being defined by just 1 community is silly for most people. Even if servers would be communities (which they are not) I would be totally puzzled on which one to choose as there's many things that interest me with little overlap.And that's before we start talking about moderation and long-term reliability of these, often small, servers.
(DIR) Post #AVLRS6GOWiDfTJTOXw by ianp5a@mastodon.cloud
2023-05-05T10:25:04Z
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@zimzat @selea Yes. trying to use an instance as a special interest community is a big fail. It adds an artificial barrier for newbies joining. It fails for people who have more than one interest. It's "centralised" so the elitist "you have to join or we exclude you" again. You get every post from everyone on there, regardless of topic. And you won't get all the top people for that topic, as they already joined elsewhere.Pick an instance you like the name of, and has a middle number of users.
(DIR) Post #AVLRuV9BbRoCkue0Ia by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-05-05T12:39:28Z
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@ianp5a @zimzat @seleawe need a ton of instances based on location.
(DIR) Post #AVLS9sDk6Ai2f16bD6 by ianp5a@mastodon.cloud
2023-05-05T12:42:15Z
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@wjmaggos @zimzat @selea Yes that would help people decide.It would also get the attention on non fediverse people. And lure them in to finally join.And it would also give a useful username if you are running a club or organisation related to that location.
(DIR) Post #AVLdHt2G3IFD03l0Ii by selea@social.linux.pizza
2023-05-05T14:46:55Z
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@ianp5aI am very happy that it is only your opinion, and not fact that it is a "big fail".Noone have excluded anyone just because they have more than one interest or post about other stuff. That is something you just made up. @zimzat
(DIR) Post #AVLlyCIBe2pKWItUEy by ianp5a@mastodon.cloud
2023-05-05T16:24:14Z
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@selea @zimzatI didn't say that. I'll break it down for clarity.If you don't join that instance, you don't get that local timeline to join in. That's the problem with centralisation.If you 'do' join the instance, you get 'everything' on the local timeline. Regardless of topic.
(DIR) Post #AVLzhnp4FmN1LzLmKW by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2023-05-05T18:31:22Z
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@selea @zimzat @ianp5aPeople can understand and manage a lot of stuff. We believe they would enjoy fediverse the way it was intended, ie. setup a couple accounts on instances that interest them, and toot in them. That has been the basic promise and beauty of #fediverse and can be explained simply and easily.What we got is people being funnelled into another silo, and it almost seems intentional, ie. search-engine based, but there's another element. 1/2
(DIR) Post #AVLzhoWJeyxtW7aJk0 by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2023-05-05T18:55:53Z
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@selea @zimzat @ianp5a2/2 We as humans love #iconography and apps with fun icons. The more fashionable the better. Icons really, really, really, really matter. We know because for a year we ignored Fediverse, on #FDroid it had an almost satanic ritual icon. On a good day with jarring colours.Icons matter.In 2021 we began work on a replacement. In 2022 we finally arrived at a good design with a (2/3)
(DIR) Post #AVLzmEcqXizjdikOxc by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-05-05T18:59:04.098Z
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@dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info Do you have your logo available as .svg by any chance?
(DIR) Post #AVM1Mp2Mk73Ewnh5IO by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2023-05-05T19:09:57Z
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@gabriel Yes, just boosted for you. Our preference is the party_circled_purple_48. You might need to go into the "party" folder to see that one.But really whatever icon suits the design of a website is the one to choose. :)
(DIR) Post #AVM1MpeeRlfyrXbeyG by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-05-05T19:16:51.685Z
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@dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info Thank you!