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(DIR) Post #AUscshy6QYuvquyBEG by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-21T14:55:40Z
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Research shows that people don't say "um" and "uh" because of nervousness.Instead, one reason people say "um" and "uh" is that it tells listeners you want to keep talking.The amazing thing is that we don't use them nearly as much when we're talking to a computer, like Siri, or when we're giving a formal talk—because we don't expect to be interrupted!
(DIR) Post #AUsczg2zy5WJvCaBpw by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-21T14:57:04Z
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To hear more amazing things about "um" and "uh" (and about the word "dude") check out the whole Grammar Girl interview with Valerie Fridland.Listen: https://pod.link/173429229/episode/8ba1dcf074c5ce9f5eb52ab1f2a4b6fbWatch: https://youtu.be/0biGEct51qsRead: https://grammar-girl.simplecast.com/episodes/valerie-fridland/tranascript#podcast
(DIR) Post #AUsdUZRgZ07wQJrRgW by mvaneerde@tooting.ch
2023-04-21T15:02:17Z
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@grammargirl this looks really interesting and I plan to watch the video, but I wanted to let you know that your "Read" link goes to a "404 not found" page
(DIR) Post #AUsdVI5aa0BqsorvzU by Cleopatra@c.im
2023-04-21T15:02:34Z
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@grammargirl That makes sense.
(DIR) Post #AUse7aohOorZyCETtg by bornach@masto.ai
2023-04-21T15:09:28Z
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@grammargirlBut when an AI says "um" or "ah" it is trying to mimic a human speaker in order to put the person on the other side of the conversation at easehttps://youtu.be/JvbHu_bVa_g
(DIR) Post #AUseD0GGDyxeKghiro by dmandl@mastodon.social
2023-04-21T15:10:29Z
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@grammargirl Not sure I agree with that last part. I often hear radio DJs say "um" (I'm especially conscious of this because I'm a DJ myself). In that case it seems like either a tic or a slight stalling tactic when they can't find the right word. But some DJs say "um" a LOT. I had to train myself not to do it.
(DIR) Post #AUsefDi3ojQK9OA7WK by oblomov@sociale.network
2023-04-21T15:15:21Z
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@grammargirl
(DIR) Post #AUsfChV44uYE6G33U8 by NJWookie@mindly.social
2023-04-21T15:21:13Z
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@grammargirl Interesting, for public speaking I was always drilled to remove the Ums & Uhs. In those scenarios I have learned to embrace the silent pause & use other cues to the let the listener know I am not done talking. I have carried this over to regular 1-on-1 conversations and rely on physical pause language rather than the vocalized pauses to let others know I have more to say. I never considered that an Um or an Uh could be useful just that it makes the speaker sound less intelligent
(DIR) Post #AUsfVtlsg74zf14HuS by BarrenPlanet@mastodon.social
2023-04-21T15:24:50Z
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@grammargirl I personally try never to use filler in my sentences, and sometimes find it irritating when others do it too much.Interestingly (to me), I do it far more when being recorded. I can't explain why, I've just listened to myself back and thought, "what's with all this um-ing and ah-ing?!". I rarely do it face-to-face.
(DIR) Post #AUsfY6KewphxCGNz04 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-21T15:25:35Z
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@mvaneerde Thank you! Editing the original post now.
(DIR) Post #AUsftARuptVy2xpDd2 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-21T15:29:23Z
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@dmandl I supposed individual behavior may vary, but this is what linguistics research has found in general, according to people I trust.
(DIR) Post #AUsg4S2Fn8unm5CboW by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-21T15:31:28Z
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@bornach Wild!
(DIR) Post #AUsgDCaia8WwTvUmmW by Rozzychan@fandom.ink
2023-04-21T15:33:01Z
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@grammargirl I didn't know the thing about Siri. I did know about the transtion cues because I was the youngest, and when I got the attention of my family, there was no way I was going to stop talking and have the attention taken away from me. I had to train myself out of all of the ums and ahs I did, but now that I am older I use the imperious raised finger to show that I am not done without making all the noise.#cues #linguistics #talking #um
(DIR) Post #AUsgLtx1FtdLHB4hsG by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-21T15:34:39Z
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@Rozzychan 🤣
(DIR) Post #AUsgVIORkTO3gmNpQW by gordonmeyer@mastodon.social
2023-04-21T15:35:59Z
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This completely tracks. Some people also use this as a dominance strategy on conference calls. If you’re still making a sound, the single-duplex connection never releases and nobody can interrupt you! @grammargirl
(DIR) Post #AUsgqogItiJJuSzvSy by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-21T15:39:53Z
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@gordonmeyer Oh wow, that makes sense. I hadn't thought of that angle.Some linguist should do research to see if patterns have changed since Zoom calls have become much more common.
(DIR) Post #AUshotEn5QdHPpm3F2 by julian@fietkau.social
2023-04-21T15:50:53Z
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@grammargirl Fascinating, thank you! 👍I've been taught that "um" and "uh" should be avoided during presentations because they signal a lack of confidence. It feels true that in situations where imposed "speaker" and "audience" roles already suppress conversational turn-taking, there'd be less need for the function you mention. But I still bristle against the framing of a presentation as a "battle of wills" against the audience we must strive to "win." Need to think on this more.
(DIR) Post #AUsl6lhu7gO58SbmUa by trz@ioc.exchange
2023-04-21T16:27:57Z
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@grammargirl As one who had to train other System Engineers on product, as well as your normal work-type presentations, it was beaten into me (not literally) to use silence rather than um-uh-er. To me, the silence seems more awkward than um-uh-er. LOL
(DIR) Post #AUsl7XBdax68OHsgrY by Piousunyn@universeodon.com
2023-04-21T16:28:07Z
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@grammargirl Uh, okay.
(DIR) Post #AUt6O3SVTRp49SUSci by j34329z@anti-social.online
2023-04-21T20:26:23Z
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@grammargirl I read somewhere that using 'um', 'er' and pauses are predictable, and usually occur before words or concepts that are new to the discourse are added. It's like the speaker has to take a moment to bring to mind the word they want to say.
(DIR) Post #AUt7urOrQfVkGJzY0m by Oggie@woof.group
2023-04-21T20:43:31Z
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@grammargirl As an autistic person, I had to work up a while series of tics to socially interact with others ( and a different set for voice only). Noises to make it clear I am paying attention ( uh huh, huh, so, okay), eye contact on certain things, nodding, etc. You would be amazed at how often people get wildly uncomfortable if you simply listen to everything without moving and looking at them. It absolutely causes stress in people.So I had to learn nonsense filler for comfort.
(DIR) Post #AUtFKP7dt3BZlj46r2 by elzbethmrgn@aus.social
2023-04-21T22:06:31Z
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@captainfez it's ok to um!
(DIR) Post #AUtGKmiuErhGv7EyJM by zebibyte@mas.to
2023-04-21T22:17:51Z
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@grammargirl um 🤔
(DIR) Post #AUtIHcV7zKI6FwPkzA by rolenthedeep@tech.lgbt
2023-04-21T22:39:42Z
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@grammargirl I'd also posit that people tend to better formulate a sentence in advance of speaking to a machine *because* the machine doesn't respond to cues like "uh"I'd love to see some research on the dialects evolving specifically for speaking to TTS systems. It sounds like a really interesting subject!
(DIR) Post #AUtKCDuCCsMoQzh6PY by billyjoebowers@mastodon.online
2023-04-21T23:01:03Z
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@grammargirl Interesting, but it makes sense.
(DIR) Post #AUtLX4GnKIAIaNlfgu by log@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-04-21T23:16:03Z
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@grammargirl I always called them "priority-preserving null tokens". Not that I ever get to use them. When a log talks, everyone is always interrupting with "Who's there?" and "Who said that?".
(DIR) Post #AUtPwASFrs1wp9LuIy by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-22T00:05:28Z
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@log 🤣 It's big, it's heavy, it's wood. It's better than bad; it's good!
(DIR) Post #AUtQ1UwT7kHLoQ1hDM by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-22T00:06:24Z
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@rolenthedeep That does sound like an interesting study topic!
(DIR) Post #AUtQD6A94xR6R2xGr2 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-22T00:08:24Z
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@j34329z It does have to do with the complexity or novelty of the words. Valerie talked about it in the full interview.
(DIR) Post #AUtS5tqif2y07xZ116 by leadore@toot.cafe
2023-04-22T00:29:38Z
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@grammargirl So maybe when I run out of characters and need to continue in a second post, I should start putting "um" instead of "1/2" at the bottom. :thaenkin:
(DIR) Post #AUtgjDJ5ePD17sTTc0 by shyduroff@mastodon.mit.edu
2023-04-22T03:13:33Z
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@grammargirl … interviewed also by alan alda …
(DIR) Post #AUtgsKipS0VijJrVfk by mcnulla@techhub.social
2023-04-22T03:15:16Z
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@grammargirl I noticed that when I had meetings with people of one particular country, their uhs would carry for long periods of time. I thought it was because their culture is aggressive and people didn’t want to be interrupted. And I’m not judging the aggressive culture, just noticing it.
(DIR) Post #AUtiAxPWRiNxt4HB7A by RhondaBracey@mastodon.social
2023-04-22T03:29:51Z
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@grammargirl Re: the history of 'dude'. I went to Trove (National Library of Australia's online newspaper archive, effectively to about the mid 1950s) to see what I could find. If you can see it (hopefully not geoblocked), expand the date range on the right sidebar to see the prevalence of the word from the late 1800s in Australian newspapers. I didn't check many but some made interesting reading: https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/category/newspapers?keyword=dude
(DIR) Post #AUu8TYNGLve8Y3kNsG by tashen@mstdn.games
2023-04-22T08:24:29Z
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@grammargirl I say it so I don’t get cut off by the other person wanting to just cut in as I’m speaking. Happens often and I don’t know why.
(DIR) Post #AUuAh9G8j3v4cP1efg by theboba@aus.social
2023-04-22T08:49:19Z
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@grammargirl @rabcyr The lack of filler words when talking to Siri just blew my mind. I’ve never noticed it but it is true
(DIR) Post #AUuekr55Ferc1SXPnc by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-22T14:26:12Z
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@shyduroff I know! She's killing it.
(DIR) Post #AUufUGKKEcgBLuJpsO by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-04-22T14:34:26Z
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@RhondaBracey How interesting! The first page alone had three different "dude hate" poems from the 1800s. It seems like it was a whole genre.And I didn't know about that archive either. I'll save it for future research. Thank you!