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(DIR) Post #AUgYpqj90y44Oe79u4 by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-15T19:13:59Z
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Love this take on how to avoid feeling depressed by the rapid advance of #AI art:“As long as we think of art as a product, AI will win. When we think of art as a human process, humans will win.” -Suzanne Yada
(DIR) Post #AUgZZHeFlkxqvEUWsS by vruz@mastodon.social
2023-04-15T19:22:11Z
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@shacker People who use AI art in commercial settings and don't value art, were never going to buy art anyway.The people who are moving to AI-generated art for commercial purposes are the same people who used to buy clip-art CD-ROMs or the bundled clip-art in Microsoft Office.
(DIR) Post #AUgbSOyALoFfVeeSUi by jeff@indieweb.social
2023-04-15T19:43:20Z
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@shacker Realistically, I think we’ll see both.Artists whose deeply personal creative work expresses something intrinsically tied to their humanity will not be displaced. Because, even as a “product,” their work’s value is inherently tied to the life and experience of the artist.But that won’t help artists working on advertisements, product packaging, or pretty-but-bland nature scenes and abstracts in chain hotel rooms and dental offices. Human touch is of limited value there.
(DIR) Post #AUhRPC9IktruUmeV8K by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-16T05:25:27Z
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@jeff Art can still be as satisfying to make as it ever was. Though it's sad to see the public preferring AI art over the real thing when given a choice, since it will undoubtedly make it harder for artists to sell their work.
(DIR) Post #AUiBGnyDMbkf55P5yy by PChoate@mas.to
2023-04-16T13:59:22Z
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@shacker I feel the same about computer enhanced art in general. But then stop-motion and models on wires were still used in videos when I was a kid. Now the cheapest commercial has CGI embedded and you can mix movies on your phone. In my opinion AI will become another type of paintbrush. Like the Dutch masters using lenses and reflections, future art will be a technological blend.
(DIR) Post #AUiBiSw3AG2jx0a5D6 by PChoate@mas.to
2023-04-16T14:04:21Z
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@shacker @jeff Most people read at a 6th grade level. It’s those of us who know how to read that create appreciation of literature. It’s in human nature to be challenged. In my city large creative murals have sprung up everywhere in the past decade. All local. All human. We all love it. (Or at least I haven’t heard complaints.)
(DIR) Post #AUiEJKDajkrBXQUPeS by opendna@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-04-16T14:33:22Z
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@shacker GPT is going to wreak havoc on commercial art, but fine art will be fine. The fine art market (which isn't predominantly elite) values artisanship and the story of acquisition. Those who buy paintings and prints, for example, have a story to tell about every piece. "It was produced by OpenAI and an on-demand printer" doesn't scratch that itch.
(DIR) Post #AUiKcNe8oZ35OiNSaG by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-16T15:44:06Z
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@opendna The question is, will art buyers be able to tell? AI art is already winning competitions- judges could not tell!
(DIR) Post #AUiKgffljeP4SnBW3E by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-16T15:44:52Z
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@PChoate I like this optimistic perspective.
(DIR) Post #AUiKiwBrIJG2GrH7VQ by kierkegaank@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-04-16T14:25:25Z
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@vruz @shacker i buy all my art at wal*m*art. Check mate
(DIR) Post #AUiKiwn53v228IgqWW by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-16T15:45:17Z
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@kierkegaank :)
(DIR) Post #AUiKtXzBcs5qO6PI6i by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-16T15:47:12Z
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@PChoate @jeff Are you saying that sophisticated art lovers will still be able to distinguish an AI photo from a real one? I hope you’re right, but it’s not looking promising for authenticity.
(DIR) Post #AUiNXxMUYgsccUQPeS by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-16T16:16:54Z
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Good read on this topichttps://medium.com/the-generator/wow-and-whatever-60ca4f49d88e
(DIR) Post #AUiUAHsLKwMQyGz4Fs by opendna@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-04-16T17:31:03Z
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@shacker That's a problem for art competitions which rely on digital copies and have no "real world" importance.At arts & crafts festivals, they'll bomb out, if they don't get kicked out and banned. To get past a jury, you have to claim original work and a selection that's convincigly by one person. If you then show up with posters, you're going to have a bad time.
(DIR) Post #AUigsuxEbPpKMcJshs by PChoate@mas.to
2023-04-16T19:53:35Z
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@shacker @jeff I think AI is going to become a medium like a new color of paint. Artists will use it for creating new ideas and references. As it is with modern art, much is computer-generated now anyway. I go to art shows all the time and half of what I see is coming off of printers or out of photography studios. I think the issue is whether or not there is an artist behind the work.
(DIR) Post #AUkNcLqFsAxY1AMVFI by opendna@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-04-17T12:38:33Z
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@shacker I should probably admit my background: (1) the child of fine artists who made (less now) their livings selling art at shows, festivals, and galleries. And (2) an ex-INS/CBP officer who was central to birther claims about Obama's birth certificate.Digital is so central to our culture that it's easy to forget that the analog exists. It's easy to pass a digital replica; duplicating authentic analog is orders of magnitude more difficult to pass. Not impossible, but very expensive.
(DIR) Post #AUkNcMb34COEMIFsBM by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-17T15:27:07Z
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@opendna Excellent point. Though for photographers to participate in that form of authenticity they’d have to return to film days.
(DIR) Post #AUkgPXDo9L8afzys1Q by opendna@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-04-17T18:57:39Z
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@shacker I know next to nothing about how photographers make a living. Documenting events (weddings, school yearbooks, journalism) seems to be a big part of it.When photographers do art shows, they were almost always doing lithography or some other "retro" technique. I don't know what the digital turn meant to art photogs, but they're mix-media tech innovators in their own right.
(DIR) Post #AUlhaMA9tuHOfwxRtQ by shacker@zirk.us
2023-04-18T06:45:34Z
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@opendna I see both in photo exhibitions - analog and digital - but definitely more digital. No one is making film cameras anymore, so it's all retro, and eventually those film cameras will become rare and stop functioning.