Post AUROBIOLrtLmV1FPcm by WorldImagining@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AUQtpR9HdG3Of9rP5U by Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange
2023-04-07T21:37:57Z
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Gentle Reminder for the TwitterMigrators :birdsite: :Mastodon works differently. The People are the algorithm here.Favourite ⭐To privately show your appreciation to the person who posted.Boost :boost_ok:To make the post travel the Fediverse! So that others can see it too! Ideally, when you like something, do both! :boost_ok: ⭐ 💚#TwitterMigration #TinyMastodonTip
(DIR) Post #AURAr6fESmRsvlBbGK by GrahamDowns@c.im
2023-04-08T09:00:49Z
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@Em0nM4stodon @rolle To be frank, I never understood the purpose of Favouriting things. Not on Twitter before they introduced algorithms, and not on Mastodon now.I briefly used it on Twitter back in the day as a "Save for Later" sort of thing, before they implemented actual Bookmarking.Because Favouriting is, as you rightly say, private. It's "half a Boost". So it says to the person, "I like that. But not enough to share it with my followers."Know what I mean? It just doesn't make sense on a social network like Mastodon or Twitter, which is all about disseminating information. The only way you show your appreciation for someone's post on such a network should be to Retwee/Boost it, IMO.
(DIR) Post #AURAr7MTrz2l5tQ8fo by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-04-08T09:04:34Z
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@GrahamDowns For me favoriting is:- A habit- "I have read this"- "I like this"- "I agree"- "I appreciate this"- "I see you"- "I recognize this"- OR even "I don't agree with you but I appreciate you"As boosting is:- "Hey look at this thing I [some or all of the above]"- "I encourage this"- "I completely agree with this"- "This needs to be seen"- "This is important"Both are important in my opinion. I mostly use fav as read receipt and for appreciation.@Em0nM4stodon
(DIR) Post #AURBoDuBBV5GTRMmtE by GrahamDowns@c.im
2023-04-08T09:15:13Z
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@rolle @Em0nM4stodon Fair enough. I can get behind that definition. Except for the "Read Receipt" thing, because that means you Favourite everything you read, and it becomes meaningless. The person will see your Favourite and go, "Oh, Roni just read it. OK." (As in, "So what?" or "Why do they want me to know that?") ;-)If it's just habit that you do with all posts you find even mildly interesting, then it's definitely not an indication that the post is, in fact, a "favourite" of yours, or even that you really "like" it.If you look at the average person on Twitter's list of "Favourites", they've probably got zillions of them. And if Mastodon showed that information, it'd probably be no different. Come on, they can't ALL be your favourites! 😁But anyway, then shouldn't those Favouring and Boosting be mutually exclusive? If Boosting "supersedes" Favouriting, then surely you should either Favourite or Boost (or neither), but not both? 🤔On the other hand, maybe Favouriting should supersede Boosting. If you find something interesting and think others might too, then your response should be a Boost. Only if you personally REALLY REALLY like it, should you Favourite. Which means they're not mutually exclusive, but Boosting is fairly common, while Favouriting becomes exceedingly rare.To me, that would make more sense, actually.
(DIR) Post #AURCVmDhTizXLrGVAe by rolle@mementomori.social
2023-04-08T09:23:05Z
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@GrahamDowns @Em0nM4stodon > "Oh, Roni just read it. OK." (As in, "So what?" or "Why do they want me to know that?") ;-)I don't know about you, but for me it feels nice people favouriting my posts even they don't sometimes get ANY replies or boosts. I feel appreciated. The post has activity, it matters. You can't belittle that for everyone.> Come on, they can't ALL be your favourites! But most of them are. :blob_wink: Also worth noting is that with favs you can build a "feed of favourites". I bookmark only the posts I find brilliant, but sometimes I want to browse the good things, replies, conversations etc. and I can find the meaningful things easier that way. There is no "Boosted" feed available but there is "Favourites" feed.
(DIR) Post #AURDCNOJfPienZXlse by GrahamDowns@c.im
2023-04-08T09:30:43Z
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@rolle @Em0nM4stodon Hmm. OK, that's interesting. So over time, you can build up a list of "Things I like", and then when you feel like it, you can go back and browse all those things. That's a good idea. I think that's something I might want to try! :-)Re the "Read Receipt" thing, I still always request read receipts for emails, and I appreciate people who send them. And because of that, I always send read receipts to people who request them. It annoys me that Gmail, for example, throws them away, because I think they're still useful. If nothing else, it feels good to know that the person's read my mail. Especially when I send a mail to a whole bunch of people, it's good to know who's read it and who hasn't yet.Having said that, I don't think I'd like to get read receipts for my Mastodon posts. If I got less than 10 million, I'd feel like nobody was seeing what I wrote... and if I DID get 10 million one day, it'd crash my computer! 😆But I do hear what you're saying. It feels good to see *some* sort of activity on your post, be that a Reply, a Boost, or a Favourite. My question is, "If you wanted to show appreciation, then out of those three choices, why would you pick 'Favourite'?"
(DIR) Post #AUREf7ALAhPWpQH3BI by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-04-08T09:47:11Z
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@rolle @GrahamDowns @Em0nM4stodon I’m think the mastodon system could do with a rewrite.From scratch, the actions I want to perform:- thumbs up to the author. Only the author and I need to see this, but I’m not fussed (ie favs)- save into my list of “retrieve this latter” (ie bookmarks)- make post more visible to others, whether I agree/endorse it or not (?)- make more visible with my endorsement or as part of my “feed” for followed (ie boost)
(DIR) Post #AURFUZSNkJHhL9FVBY by unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyz
2023-04-08T09:45:09Z
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@GrahamDowns @Em0nM4stodon @rolleSometimes I favourite things to show appreciation or support, and I don't necessarily boost, if it seemed like a personal topic that they don't necessarily want boosted to the world in general.Sometimes I favourite because I liked it, but don't boost because it wouldn't make sense out of context.Sometimes I don't boost because there's no alt text, but I still might favourite if I liked it in other respects.
(DIR) Post #AURG5ha6VBGlFiZAoq by GrahamDowns@c.im
2023-04-08T09:53:20Z
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@maegul @rolle @Em0nM4stodon Ooh, that's not a bad idea.So 1 would be Favourite, except that it is currently possible for other people to see who Favourited a post, and you want to make it COMPLETELY private between you and the author?2 Already exists, as is. Nobody but you can see what you've Bookmarked (not even the author).3 and 4 would be a "splitting up" of the current Boost functionality. 3 could be a "straight boost", and 4 could be a "boost with favourite" (but you'd want them split up into two separate buttons and two separate lists, so people could see how many "regular boosts" vs how many "favourite boosts" a post got?)
(DIR) Post #AURG5i4Eh9N8lAfEmm by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-04-08T09:59:42Z
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@GrahamDowns @rolle @Em0nM4stodon not fussed about whether 1 is private. Someone might have thoughts about that. I don’t care. Adding both a public and private fav might be cool. Might also be too much?With splitting boosts into 3 and 4, I don’t know the best way to do it. Maybe a private and a public boost? Further in my thread I suggest enabling sorting posts by number of favs.I’m starting from the UX that would be natural to me.
(DIR) Post #AURG5igWOnzsfuZoSe by GrahamDowns@c.im
2023-04-08T10:01:03Z
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@maegul @rolle @Em0nM4stodon Yeah, I think being able to sort your feed in some way might be cool. Sort of like a "Top Posts First" thing, except that unlike Twitter, it actually WORKS (and unlike Twitter, it doesn't reset to whatever setting Twitter wants you to have every few days)
(DIR) Post #AURGHGCq6lglpCCDbM by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-04-08T09:51:18Z
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@rolle @GrahamDowns @Em0nM4stodon That there is no way to make a post more visible without an endorsement of some sort seems like the missing gesture that we’ve all just gotten used to outside of #mastodon to the point it’s not going away. And so favs here conflate the above with a “thumbs up”, opportunities are missed for making things visible, there’s a bit of a dwelling of talking into the void, and regular reminders about “how to use mastodon”.
(DIR) Post #AURGHGhKHQ4jLkSZ7Y by GrahamDowns@c.im
2023-04-08T09:57:07Z
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@maegul @rolle @Em0nM4stodon Because I got on Twitter long before "the algorithm", I'm quite used to the idea that the only way to make something more visible is to Retweet/Boost it, and one of the things that irritates the living crap out of me about Twitter is that it insists on showing me things my followees Liked. Because Twitter is NOT Facebook and I wish they'd stop trying to make it Facebook.So I absolutely don't want there to be any way to increase a post's visible besides Boosting/Retweeting (except to say that I like your idea of splitting that out into two different types of Boost). :-)
(DIR) Post #AURGHHFiDZa54OY1ia by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-04-08T10:04:26Z
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@GrahamDowns @rolle @Em0nM4stodon Fair! Though I fear that ship has sailed. And I think a non-endorsing “more people should/not see this” is a valuable gesture in social media.The lack of something somewhat like this and quote toots creates a palpable “quietness” here for some, and I get that too.I think creating natural options for people is the best way for the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AURGHIvE0iNiFQyh3w by maegul@hachyderm.io
2023-04-08T09:55:01Z
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@rolle @GrahamDowns @Em0nM4stodon one simple way to avoid black-box inflexible algorithms is to start allowing people to sort posts by number of favs and/or boosts, which can be done client side.Might cause some amplification effects. But along with other options like making sure you see posts from or faved or boosted by people you follow, we can empower people to also find the idiosyncratic gems that aren’t loved by everyone.
(DIR) Post #AURNpVENS5dBwrBs0m by ciredutempsEsme@mamot.fr
2023-04-08T11:28:50Z
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@rolle @GrahamDowns @Em0nM4stodon Me faving all your toots about faving.Receiving a fav is important for me, to know that people are hère and connect.So i fav.
(DIR) Post #AUROBIOLrtLmV1FPcm by WorldImagining@mastodon.social
2023-04-08T11:33:49Z
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@rolle @GrahamDowns @Em0nM4stodon If I have appreciated seeing something, for whatever reason, and I furthermore think other people might also appreciate seeing it, either for the same or for other reasons, then I'll boost it. I find it a simple to apply Occam's razor for choosing what to or not to boost.
(DIR) Post #AURONRYJdPjwNyhVCK by Jennifer_Pinkley@zirk.us
2023-04-08T11:35:59Z
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@rolle @GrahamDowns @Em0nM4stodon I use favorite and boost exactly like this too.
(DIR) Post #AYQZldi5k25lqTpMVk by twizzay@thisis.mylegendary.quest
2023-08-05T17:37:28.427545Z
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@Em0nM4stodon FWIW liking also helps posts travel the fediverse. If you like a post of someones that you are not following it will pull it onto your instances federated timeline and also relay it to other instances that are following your relay.