Post AUHgovOBo7Q5FEhitM by fraolt@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AUGoiQ73mfEeys8pyC by galdor@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T09:09:26Z
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Start Gnus. Google's IMAP servers are once again rate limited and cannot serve more than a few kB per second on a 1 Gbs line. Of course Gnus blocks the entire Emacs UI, including other frames.We have insanely powerful hardware, but software is still lagging behind.
(DIR) Post #AUGzQ2kgzzyyoP7Rxo by nthcdr@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T11:09:21Z
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@galdor This is the reason I just stopped bothering with gmail. Of course I was lucky that I didn't rely on the address for anything important.
(DIR) Post #AUH0E6YH96OP4lBMYK by galdor@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T11:18:25Z
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@nthcdr You'd think a Google Workspace, being a real product clients pay for, would be be better than Gmail regarding something as simple as IMAP access. It's not.Infortunately there aren't a lot of alternatives for the mail/drive combination. Most small providers are not actors I would trust with my emails and Fastmail is from Australia with some very questionable anti-privacy laws. Self hosting is out of the question, it's too much of a PITA (and I know how it works, which is precisely why I do not want to).I almost went with Gandi's email plan at some point; really happy I didn't after what happened to them.
(DIR) Post #AUH1MbDr64EKTCFH4S by nthcdr@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T11:31:07Z
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@galdor I'm trying out proton now, but their drive offering leaves a bit to desire. On the other hand the google drive was ridiculously bad at times too so maybe they're comparable after all. I agree that you don't really want to self host e-mail unless that something you do for a day job.
(DIR) Post #AUH1xtdfaWd4Im6XIG by galdor@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T11:37:54Z
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@nthcdr I tried Proton some time ago. The absence of native IMAP is a joke and their bridge was, at least at the time, a complete disaster. I have zero interest in running a specific program on my machines which forces me to re-type my password regularly, just because of a security argument which does not make any sense.I've also been told several times that they have serious delivery issues because lots of mail hosts consider Proton to be associated with scammers and hackers. No idea how true it is though.
(DIR) Post #AUHEKo15r9YUyWkd7Y by emaksovalec@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T13:56:29Z
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@galdor isn't it so that Gmail now requires every client to be "blessed" by them and get some kind of App token? Claws Mail stopped working with Gmail for me and the easiest solution for me was to just ditch Gmail and go somewhere else (and I'm very very glad I did it). The alternative was setting Google developer account and try to get permission to use their APIs
(DIR) Post #AUHGDqqN99xhcmY2Qy by nthcdr@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T14:17:39Z
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@galdor Right, the bridge is no fun, I agree. I just got them with the idea of using their vpn, but then ended up playing with their other services as well. I was then dissapointed to learn that there was no good way to mount the drive in linux either. But my expectations were pretty low to begin with. Oh well.
(DIR) Post #AUHHg6IrMWCTdLuI7M by galdor@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T14:33:57Z
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@emaksovalec You need a client id and client secret to implement an OAuth2 client for your Google Account. This is not specific to Gmail: all applications using OAuth2 have this requirement.Gmail and Google Workspace also support application passwords, which allow you to connect to their services without OAuth2, with a simple login and password.You do not need anything else.
(DIR) Post #AUHeqFsgu8SxBGTgSO by emaksovalec@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T18:53:31Z
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@galdor yes I had OAuth2 in mind. When I was trying to setup that for email client I use the seemingly only way was to set up dev account and request a bunch of permissions for the app...Simple login and password login was canceled last summer as I recall, before that it was only accessible if you set your account to be used with "unsafe" apps. And this was done by both MS Outlook and Gmail. So now its only OAuth2 for 3rd party email clients.
(DIR) Post #AUHgovOBo7Q5FEhitM by fraolt@fosstodon.org
2023-04-03T19:15:41Z
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@galdor Maybe try mailbox.org. They let you use your own domain, so if you are unhappy at any point in time, you can just move on. They have a "drive" solution, but I rarely use it for anything. So, not sure how good it is compared to google's drive. I moved my mails from gmail to mailbox.org + personal domain and never looked back.
(DIR) Post #AUHn7Le5Wav1cCJDJA by galdor@emacs.ch
2023-04-03T20:26:15Z
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@emaksovalec Basic authentication, i.e. using your account password, was indeed disabled. But you can absolutely use application passwords for 3rd party email clients:https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en