Post AU9dTni8AW2UXPSioa by lucywildboots@venera.social
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(DIR) Post #AU8vTvlXp9s7XMJKHg by metalsamurai@venera.social
2023-03-29T09:48:40Z
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It was referring to the forex scam account that spammed the group, I posted the first article in this thread with a link (now broken) to the spam post and was asking how group moderation worked. I'm still not sure I know how group/forum moderation works. At least the scammer had their account shut down, but it does seem to have taken a longer time than I expected.
(DIR) Post #AU8vTwbIijGw7sWexM by lucywildboots@venera.social
2023-03-29T18:06:51Z
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@metalsamurai @fediversenews Someone said that it’s ban from the instance. That’s it.
(DIR) Post #AU8vTxQLew6agCPQWW by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-30T09:06:59Z
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@lucywildboots @fediversenews @metalsamurai@venera.social That seems crude. I’d want the ability as a group admin to delete individual posts, not just banish the user. With no gradations of response you’re into “hanged for a sheep” territory.
(DIR) Post #AU8vTy6B9PZ8lvypiy by lucywildboots@venera.social
2023-03-30T13:32:27Z
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@MetalSamurai @fediversenews It’s incredibly crude. But how do you track bad actors and their misbehavior if we don’t track user data? That is literally the only place it makes sense to track bad behavior. I suspect the answer is that instance owners do track that user data informally and outside of the Fediverse, which is unsafe and probably breaks laws in some countries. Humans will build tools for themselves if you don’t build them first .You can delete the post, on your instance, but can you get rid of that post completely once it has populated other servers? I don’t think so? Not without a coordinated effort. And another problem with gradations is that they require rules and definitions. And each instance may have different rules and definitions leading to inconsistency and confusion in the user base.Example: I post a review of a game I am playing. People from multiple servers react negatively to my post. Words fly, things are said, rules are broken.Who actions who? My instance owner can action the people on my server, but the other folks, you just have to notify the other instance owner of the behavior. Whether they act or not is on them. Apparently user misbehavior is not where most instance owners spend their time. But I suspect they will take up more time the more we grow.
(DIR) Post #AU8vU0NGgqQLpVzVdg by jeff@federated.fun
2023-03-30T13:47:26.840564Z
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@lucywildboots @MetalSamurai @fediversenews the answer: you dont.go read up on ye olden days of usenet.
(DIR) Post #AU8weTW9I6Bp49hXlY by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-24T09:59:27Z
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@testing @ada @fediversenews Actually I never tried. I know ActivityPub supports that, and I can do it in the iOS Mastodon apps, including Mona which I use for Friendica. Or at least the button is there. I don’t see how else moderating a post could work. I’ve had a look at this https://wiki.friendi.ca/docs/forums and am more confused as it says you can restrict visibility of a post to the group, but it will somehow be visible to others on the forum’s wall.
(DIR) Post #AU8weVI2hW5uYz7J3Y by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-24T10:01:25Z
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@testing @ada @fediversenews This only applies if the post is the one that starts a thread (so not the comments that hang off it, which is not obvious or visible really to non-Friendica users), but I’m not clear if that only works for all Friendica users. How can the forum change the visibility of a private post so other members of the group can see it?
(DIR) Post #AU8weWelcVrknkky7E by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-03-24T10:09:59Z
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@Kevin Davidson @testing @Ada@<GroupID> will send a post to a group which distributes it to everyone who can see posts from that group, and it will post it on your wall and to your followers or whomever you grant access to the per-post privacy settings.!<GroupID> will send a post only to the group which then distributes it to everyone who can see posts from that group. The post will not appear on your wall, and your followers won't receive it unless they also follow that group.Opening the group page in your browser and posting on the wall of the group is the same as !<GroupID>, but requires a Web browser.
(DIR) Post #AU8weXITEtcomtKg08 by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-24T10:26:31Z
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@jupiter_rowland I’m trying to square the behaviour described in these two sections with my model of how public/private posts work in ActivityPub. They seem to suggest that if you create a private message that’s only visible to the forum, the forum is somehow able to boost that post and make it now visible to other members of the group, perhaps only as the start of a new comment thread. Is this something that only works over DFRN and not AP? @fediversenews
(DIR) Post #AU8wea0r8qJlD879Si by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-03-24T10:44:29Z
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@Kevin Davidson AFAIK, Friendica forums automatically share everything that's being sent to them. You can't send anything to them without it being shared to whoever has read access to the forum.So if you want to privately message the owner of the forum, don't message the forum. Message the owner.Also, I wouldn't count on Friendica being able to translate Mastodon/ActivityPub privacy settings into its own DFRN privacy settings.The entire manual wiki supposes that everyone accesses Friendica forums through Friendica itself.
(DIR) Post #AU8weaggdJmJIrgYfA by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-24T11:03:04Z
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@jupiter_rowland I just tried two test posts to the forum. A private one from Mastodon and a private post from Friendica. The Mastodon one has just disppeared. It does not show that it has been boosted, which normally happens when I post to the group. The Friendica one is a little more puzzling. It says “Fediverse News reshared this”, but I can’t see the post at all in the forum. I’m starting to doubt the documentation matches the actual behaviour.
(DIR) Post #AU8webG8VW8P4oGruy by mathias@friendica.hellquist.eu
2023-03-24T12:10:53Z
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@MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland This is one of the areas I wish the entire Fediverse were ”prepared” for the other services privacy levels. I would like Friendica to understand, perhaps also create, ”unlisted” posts (which it can’t today). It would especially make sense for Forums/Groups I think.But on top of that, and as discussed/pointed out, it would be great if one could create ”private” groups, i.e. groups that didn’t post to the timelines of the separate users, but still could be posted to the group and everyone in the group gets it (only).
(DIR) Post #AU8webz9o89BKRKp5k by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-24T13:11:31Z
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@mathias @jupiter_rowland “Unlisted” posts are a lot less useful than I initially thought. In fact I can’t see any real use for them at all. They don’t do what I naïvely thought they did. They still appear on your timeline and the timeline of everyone that follows you. They just don’t appear on the Local and Federated timelines, but as they are just impossible to use on larger instances anyway I doubt anyone would notice.
(DIR) Post #AU8wecb5X6ULE557DM by Stark9837@techhub.social
2023-03-24T14:04:27Z
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@MetalSamurai @mathias @jupiter_rowland I thought it was just me! I also thought it was supposed to be hidden until you go down the tree of a post, but it really doesn't. We are reaching points with the #fediverse similar to #blockchain. You need to decide whether it is better to implement something at a protocol level or application level?Unlisted and public posts play a role in the federation and social graph of #Mastodon. Should we mess with it, or should apps adapt and filter unlisted posts from our timelines if we turn the feature on? Similar to how apps allow us to hide boosts from certain timelines?
(DIR) Post #AU8wedKSoOmhUoJLwO by volkris@qoto.org
2023-03-24T17:54:12Z
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A drum I beat as often as I can, because I think it’s very important for people to realize, is that under #ActivityPub ALL privacy or audience restrictions are only suggestions.Effectively, ALL bits of content are public, just with notations asking instances politely to only share them with certain audiences.People writing content into #Fediverse need to be aware that what they’re putting out there isn’t as private as they might be expecting.So if you write a private post to a certain group, it’s entirely possible for some instance to ignore your privacy setting and blab the post to the whole world, or in other ways not act as expected with that.Just be aware.@Stark9837 @MetalSamurai @mathias @jupiter_rowland
(DIR) Post #AU8wedkLGBU6n4Q1HE by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-24T13:12:51Z
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@mathias @jupiter_rowland I keep seeing the suggestion that you should use them for long threads. Post the first as Public, make the continuation posts Unlisted so as not to bother followers who aren’t interested. Except that’s not true at all. They don’t work like that. Your followers will still see all the posts in the thread.
(DIR) Post #AU8weftHHvoxRMcBU0 by jeff@federated.fun
2023-03-30T14:00:22.159274Z
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@volkris @Stark9837 @MetalSamurai @mathias @jupiter_rowland activity pub is about as private as shouting out loud the contents of your post during a broadcast of easter sunday mass. this idea that it is private is genuinely baffling to anyone who uses the network daily.
(DIR) Post #AU9dTni8AW2UXPSioa by lucywildboots@venera.social
2023-03-30T17:32:13Z
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@jeff @fediversenews Uhm, I’ve been around since 89. I’m completely familiar with Usenet and IRC. But comparing companies with users in the multi millions to those technologies is a bit like apples and oranges. Also, there are those pesky laws now.
(DIR) Post #AU9dTqIMYmD4YMQgZE by jeff@federated.fun
2023-03-30T22:00:21.955389Z
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@lucywildboots @MetalSamurai @fediversenews the technology is different but the social dynamics are the same. you know this, i know this, we sll know this. you can pretend you are right on this but i'll present my case and let the crowds make up their mind on this.