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(DIR) Post #AU30TaMaJzeGR8Ct9s by georgetakei@universeodon.com
2023-03-27T17:12:54Z
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The Governor just called the school shooting in Tennessee a “tragic situation.”Think about that.
(DIR) Post #AU30TaucHSs28g84Ce by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:15:12Z
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@georgetakei I'm not sure I'm following... It is a tragic situation isnt it? Very tragic.
(DIR) Post #AU30ejptRUfl08EYHA by Litzz11@mastodon.world
2023-03-27T17:17:14Z
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@freemo @georgetakei And yet our Republican leaders refuse to do anything about it. Instead, they ban drag shows.
(DIR) Post #AU30sEY6Yym41LLfFo by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:19:40Z
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@Litzz11 The Republicans dont do anything, and the democrats act in ways that make it worse.. both sides are guilty in that sense.@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU30vbGGZlgnKXbrxw by darwinwoodka@mastodon.social
2023-03-27T17:20:17Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakei nope
(DIR) Post #AU310AyhiwOBGJZr1M by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:21:05Z
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@darwinwoodka I mean, if you think the republicans, or the democrats, for that matter, are actually doing something youa re welcome to thast very wrong opinion no matter what side it falls on.@Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU312OlhQHz2bwYPuS by marq@toot.community
2023-03-27T17:21:32Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakeiTake your stupid bullshit elsewhere.
(DIR) Post #AU316TRvxbV8HuFhj6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:22:14Z
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@marq If you actually think republicans, or democrats for that matter, are solving hte problem I hate to break it to you, but you are the one witht he stupid bullshit here.@Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU31TDlWRIy2IyGG12 by marq@toot.community
2023-03-27T17:26:22Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakei This is squarely on the repubes and their goddamned frightened and angry supporters for worshiping guns and blocking any attempt by Democrats to make meaningful legislation, so you can shove that "both sides" bullshit waaaaaay up your ass.
(DIR) Post #AU31amrmKjdxCBnNNg by frazzledLoon@freeradical.zone
2023-03-27T17:27:41Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei oh please... You are a fatalistic dupe.
(DIR) Post #AU31dRl5GjKQbCvrM0 by hugh@mastodon.nz
2023-03-27T17:28:12Z
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@freemo @georgetakeiIt should have been a vanishingly rare despicable and deplorable action. Tragedies have an inevitability about them, situations are ongoing.
(DIR) Post #AU31og64IbfIFq6Rgu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:30:14Z
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@marq While you arent wrong about republicans the fact that you think democrats arent actively making it worse rather than better is laughable.. but it clear from your antagonistic and bad-faith tone you will not and probably never have listened to anyone who ever criticized your home team.@Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU31uACBouaF3Ha8R6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:31:13Z
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@hugh totally agree there, this is an issue that should have been improved a long time ago and all anyone does is make it worse with nonsense.@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU31uU43wpxyfrvvXs by marq@toot.community
2023-03-27T17:31:15Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakei Done with you.
(DIR) Post #AU31xi4gJdIWzhlFHE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:31:51Z
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@frazzledLoon Like I said, feel freet o cheer on the republicans/democrats all you want as things keep getting worse and worse... which will just ensure they keep getting worse as long as you praise this incompetance.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU31ykXcd6TWvznGGu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:32:03Z
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@marq You are doing me a favor int hat regard, thanks.@Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU32Ni2d3rTiQ9CMsa by hugh@mastodon.nz
2023-03-27T17:36:34Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakeiHow do the Democrats act that make it worse? Try to pass reasonable gun and ammo control laws? Work for a more just and less divisive society?
(DIR) Post #AU32UTufzKfod6hwnI by hugh@mastodon.nz
2023-03-27T17:37:48Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakeiHow do the Democrats act that make it worse? Try to pass reasonable gun and ammo control laws? Work for a more just and less divisive society?
(DIR) Post #AU32ZvBg0jVmfQFma0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:38:46Z
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@hugh Nope, they dont do either of those@Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU32kHYDib0evFjqqm by hugh@mastodon.nz
2023-03-27T17:40:38Z
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@freemo @georgetakeiBe specific. The only nonsense here has been your #bothsidesism.
(DIR) Post #AU33IUx2P27eKQf7VA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:46:49Z
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@hugh Im sure you think so@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU33WctneM2J23su4e by hugh@mastodon.nz
2023-03-27T17:49:22Z
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@freemo @georgetakeiNo case, eh? P¡ss off with your playground taunts.
(DIR) Post #AU33dU46tLoLf6ydeK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T17:50:37Z
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@hugh Its almost like I am acting like you wont have a good faith discussion.@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU34NAvuMDZLe3vagS by jamesmarshall@sfba.social
2023-03-27T17:58:55Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei the idea that "both parties are just as bad" is a Republican talking point. Don't fall for it. I have big problems with many in the Democratic party (mostly when they're acting like Republicans), but there's no comparison. With regard to guns, most Democrats have voted in favor of some controls, while every Republican always votes against any.
(DIR) Post #AU37xZakSCpGPV4tay by frazzledLoon@freeradical.zone
2023-03-27T18:39:05Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei First, who is cheering? Simple minded take you have.
(DIR) Post #AU38Z1yRtNTZ9Q1bua by DoesntExist@universeodon.com
2023-03-27T18:45:52Z
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@freemo @georgetakei Hello, "Dr."The second sentence of the original post is as important as the first.Maybe reread this very simple and straightforward statement to become less obtuse.
(DIR) Post #AU3E92Rw6JSwp0o49o by goodenough@universeodon.com
2023-03-27T19:48:24Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakei #BOT#BLOCK
(DIR) Post #AU3EUS7zpAaeXjgtRw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T19:52:15Z
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@jamesmarshall Oh I dont think both parties are "just as bad"... the democrats actively take steps that are popular and most of the people think help, but are very clearly harmful when we look at numbers.. in many ways thats worse than doing nothing. That said Id be hesitant to say they are worse than republicans just due to the fact that the things that would actually have some positive results (like investing in mental health aspects of health care) they routinely block.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3EZ8PkXx6WqmEANs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T19:53:05Z
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@DoesntExist Wow thats some impressive passive aggressive hostility there... Have you tried talking to people civilly and in good faith to have productive conversatios? It works wonders.@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3Efa1SoRLoDHwQ40 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T19:54:15Z
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@goodenough Always amazing seeing someone offended by someone saying "yea it is a tragedy!"@Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3F44XsyrFppQmkLo by ML2@akkoma.sandhill.social
2023-03-27T19:58:15.200691Z
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@freemo @jamesmarshall @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei The Republicans are way worse, but Democrats still have issues.Look at the recent law in California regarding “age appropriateness” in social media, or Kathy Hochul’s social media law (which was halted by a federal judge), or Hochul’s gutting of the NY right-to-repair bill, or those Democrats who want to get rid of Section 230 of the CDA because they think doing so will do good (it won’t)…
(DIR) Post #AU3FYeDYutZF9RrHu4 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T20:04:12Z
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@ML2 We are talking about guns here, not just what party is worse in general.If we were talking about what party, over all, is worse I think I'd say its close but republicans are slightly worse than democrats overall. They seem to have a better head economically and in terms of personal liberties, and the democrats seem to have at least some motiivation to address social injustice. The think that the democrats fail at is they make choices that are actually harmful to their stated goals but carry them out more because they are popular and give the impression they are helpful.Sometimes I think democrats may in fact be worse simply because at least republicans dont hide (or at least arent good at hiding) the fact that they make shitty decisions :)@Litzz11 @jamesmarshall @marq @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3GaCHLrbg529vwoq by ML2@akkoma.sandhill.social
2023-03-27T20:15:16.933706Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @jamesmarshall @marq @georgetakei Fair enough. I was missing that context.On the subject of gun control: I'd really love to see a candidate who was for addressing social and economic inequality and emphasized the role of addressing that in addressing problems such as violence (gun and non-gun), crime, poverty, and radicalization risks. They'd probably go really far and do a lot of good in the process.Instead we get this really shallow posturing over really terrible and ineffective gun control laws by elected officials who don't know what they are talking about, and don't seem to care that they don't know. We get similar posturing over other superficial solutions to deeper problems on other issues. It's infuriating
(DIR) Post #AU3GoHdAlIqzgdrCXA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T20:18:15Z
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@ML2 Id say that sums up my sentiments fairly well.. though perhaps im a bit more harsh on both sides.. But yea its pandering, real solutions dont seem to be the goal of either side for...w ell.. anything.@Litzz11 @jamesmarshall @marq @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3Q588gCkikl6hbiS by lawnikky@mastodon.au
2023-03-27T22:02:05Z
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@freemo @DoesntExist @georgetakei I posted my comment in the main post but I’ll reiterate it here … for your sensitive eyes … reform and stricter gun control is the only thing that will stop this, and until ALL Americans come onboard with this train of thought, you’re country will continue to be a laughing joke that is constantly, without resolve, full of bullshit “… thoughts and prayers …”. Wake up to what @georgetakei is saying!!!
(DIR) Post #AU3QSPavTHijYa12a8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:06:19Z
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@lawnikky "sesnative eyes".. I hope this isnt a red flag that your coming in with the intent ot have a bad-faith discussion and generally be a rude asshate.. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe im over reading this, but, try to not waste mytime wiht toxic passivce aggressive shit pleaseNow to answer your question... sadly, thats not what the numbers show. Sadly, very few people are educated enough or dig deep enough, or for that matter objective enough, to really understand this. Especially when its a topic with a hell of a lot of bias and misinformation.But the truth is, there is a very consistent pattern when you apply proper statistical analysis (read: granger causality test and other tests that are appropriate). In the overwhelming majority of cases we see time and time again, banning a type of gun, or guns more generally almost always results in a significant increase in homicide and crime rates. Rates that never really recover to a point where there is an improvement, even 20 years later.While I understand the reasoning, may even seem like common sense, but as a research scientist myself I go with the numbers even if it disagrees with my assumptions.@DoesntExist @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3RVQANtwdi9ZbGM4 by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T22:18:06Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei Democrats "aren't doing anything" because Republicans won't let them.And Republicans are actively trying to make things worse by passing laws that make it easy for teens to get guns.
(DIR) Post #AU3S3Wjvy5B4O0UVGK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:24:14Z
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@kinyutaka > Democrats "aren't doing anything" because Republicans won't let them.Ahh the old "everything is republicans fault, especially the fact the democrats faults"... yea sorry but thats a lie people tell themselves because they drank the kool-aid> And Republicans are actively trying to make things worse by passing laws that make it easy for teens to get guns.Yup, and while that isnt solving school shootings, it also isnt making it worse.. at least according to the numbers.. higher access to guns (when properly analyzed using valid techniques like granger causality analysis) doesnt actually result in more murders of children, in fact, the numbers show it reduces it. I do of course understand the common sense reaction to "banning guns will fix the problem".. but sadly common sense often fails us, and in this situation it most surely does.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3SEGiBttVbrSnW0e by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:26:11Z
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@kinyutaka Democrats “aren’t doing anything” because Republicans won’t let them.Ahh the old “everything is republicans fault, especially the fact the democrats faults”… yea sorry but thats a lie people tell themselves because they drank the kool-aid And Republicans are actively trying to make things worse by passing laws that make it easy for teens to get guns.Yup, and while that isnt solving school shootings, it also isnt making it worse.. at least according to the numbers.. higher access to guns (when properly analyzed using valid techniques like granger causality analysis) doesnt actually result in more murders of children, in fact, the numbers show it reduces it.I do of course understand the common sense reaction to “banning guns will fix the problem”.. but sadly common sense often fails us, and in this situation it most surely does.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3SHJrcdaLyVRfDRw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:26:45Z
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@kinyutaka Democrats “aren’t doing anything” because Republicans won’t let them.Ahh the old “everything is republicans fault, especially the things that the democrats do”… yea sorry but thats a lie people tell themselves because they drank the kool-aid And Republicans are actively trying to make things worse by passing laws that make it easy for teens to get guns.Yup, and while that isnt solving school shootings, it also isnt making it worse.. at least according to the numbers.. higher access to guns (when properly analyzed using valid techniques like granger causality analysis) doesnt actually result in more murders of children, in fact, the numbers show it reduces it.I do of course understand the common sense reaction to “banning guns will fix the problem”.. but sadly common sense often fails us, and in this situation it most surely does.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3SzvxcM8erP1k3oO by DoesntExist@universeodon.com
2023-03-27T22:34:49Z
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@freemo @georgetakei It's not passive-aggressive hostility.It's direct hostility in response to your dopey sea-lioning, which is as passive-aggressive as it gets.I get it. You dish but can't take. It's the usual M.O.Weird how you have 31k followers with this kind of garbage content. Where's the value-add, "Dr?"
(DIR) Post #AU3TCX8bxQVaBHtMsS by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T22:37:05Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei Here is a metric for you, few states in the US had fewer gun homicides in 2020 than 1981, most had very many more.The two most notable drops:California (still 2nd in the nation) dropped from 4,010 to 3,449New York dropped from 1,950 to 1,052What is similar to these two states? They have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, mostly involving licensing and training of potential gun owners.That is what works.
(DIR) Post #AU3TM9sdHfSCwc0XM8 by Cleopatra@c.im
2023-03-27T22:38:50Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei Oh right, that whole 'good guy with a gun' stupidity.Except you don't even believe it yourself, or you would just come out and proudly claim your argument. Instead you hide behind 'if you fanatics would just let me speak for just one moment i have this great argument' insinuations. 🙄🙄
(DIR) Post #AU3TSsNWklLYgtf5Ga by DoesntExist@universeodon.com
2023-03-27T22:40:04Z
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@freemo @lawnikky @georgetakei What an interesting shifting of the goalposts, "Dr."How many fallacies are you going to engage in?Suddenly "no one can understand this but me..."Suddenly, the issue isn't gun control, but "banning guns..."Suddenly, the issue is "crime rates" generally, not, say, mass killings.All w/o citation, "Dr," b/c you want control of the narrative here.It's amazing how full of shit you are.
(DIR) Post #AU3TfRp6nPHG61YbuS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:42:18Z
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@kinyutaka So as a professional statistician I was very clear to state that the critiea is valid analysis, and i pointed out that to do so you'd have to use granger causality or similar techniques.Is what you just described granger causality or a valid way of analyzing the data based on how experts are trained who know how to analyze data?Obviously the answer is no, but what I find telling is why did you try to spit out numbers, which i assume were cherry picked (though maybe not intentionally) and not actually ask what i meant by granger causality and try to first learn, objectively, why I suggested it as one of the few forms of proper analysis in this context?@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3TmCvIaoBvuYfyEK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:43:31Z
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@Cleopatra Nope, never said that either... you could alwyas try a good-ffaith discussion and politely (without hidden subtext of passive aggression) what my opinion is... I will very directly tell you as long as you give me the impression you are wotth my time to talk to and will have a mature good-faith discussion.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3TsJa8kTSgIggvMu by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T22:44:40Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei We are still limited to 500 characters here. I can't go into too much detail, and if you expect that detail, you're a fool. Even if I switch to Milktea to continue this, I'll be truncating a lot of my responses.
(DIR) Post #AU3Tui9iM3rB5sTQMi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:45:03Z
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@DoesntExist Funny how your spitting out all these quotastions of things no one ever said.. and so beautifully passive aggressive and bad-faith, not to mention toxic... its a work of beauty really, congrats. Thanks for being a waste of electricity on the internet, wonderful.@lawnikky @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3U7XvjgTe1923V5c by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:47:23Z
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@kinyutaka I am not criticising your lack of detail, im criticising your use of data and interpritation that is in direct contradiction of valid statistical analysis.. its the invalidity of your technique in question, not the brevity of it.. it would be equally invalid at any length since the premise itself is known bad analysis.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3UahPfVSH8x8xQ7U by DoesntExist@universeodon.com
2023-03-27T22:52:40Z
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@freemo @lawnikky @georgetakei Are you literally slow? Like daft?Look, Mr. "Dr." those are paraphrases, taken directly from your post.I get that this kind of thing freaks you out -- being confronted by actual doctors and the like... people with real education. It's tricky b/c the usual bluster derpitude doesn't work on those of us who have served on actual dissertation committees and whatnot. People who don't suffer fools gladly.But let's return to your original point: that neither Democrats nor Republicans can solve the problem...How does that fit into this latest narrative of "gun control isn't the answer?"I await your next fallacy, Mr. "Dr."
(DIR) Post #AU3Un10aTcAVCb6B60 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T22:54:53Z
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@DoesntExist Ahh wonderful, your passive aggressive toxicity has now turned into bald face childish insults and a little toddler tantrum... wow you really are a train wreck in slow motion.I can see I made the right judgemment call on you too by not engaging with you. My determination you'd just be a waste of my time, aggressive, and bad-faith arguing is confirmed more with each response... dodged the bullet there.Carry on though, it is entertaining to see you act like an 8 year old rather than engaging in an actual mature and productive conversation... @lawnikky @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3UrFxUpmxwjAfvI8 by lawnikky@mastodon.au
2023-03-27T22:55:40Z
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@freemo @DoesntExist @georgetakei wow … Australia had a gun problem … placed gun control measures in place … now less of a problem with guns. Notice I said “less” and not none. You can never eradicate a problem without eradication of the source … but … you can control it. And there is the wording … CONTROL. it’s why they call it ‘Gun Control’. You would have ‘less’ mass murders with more gun ‘control’. Argue that point!
(DIR) Post #AU3V3vJysINuUEESp6 by DoesntExist@universeodon.com
2023-03-27T22:57:59Z
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@freemo @lawnikky @georgetakei Again, none of this is passive-aggressive. I'm directly attacking the foundation of your claims.And you can't answer any of those challenges. Not one. No answers to a single question about your authority on this topic?Thank you. That's now here for everyone to see.
(DIR) Post #AU3VjsaDRfq89mpejo by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T23:05:32Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei Look here, Mr. Expert Statistician with a goofy profile picture trying to defend guns, if you had any statistics to refute my claim that licensing and training and other common sense gun control works, I would love to see it.Because right now, I am just seeing a weirdo online trying to "both sides" the deaths of people in schools.
(DIR) Post #AU3W0PtTMhHS6Kj0Yi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:08:30Z
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@lawnikky Actually while the overwhelming majority of countries that banned guns saw large spikes in homicide and violence rates as a result, you actually are correct that australia was an exception and they saw very little change overall.What we saw in australia is that following the gun buyback program unlike other countries homicide rates did go down.. Sadly sexual assault rates sky rocketed by a similar number. So not sure I'd call that a win.for reference I've attached some violent crime and homicide rates correlating to gun law changes for reference and we can see fairly obviously that australia tends to be the exception.One important note is there isnt a gun problem, ther eis a biolence problem.. so you are doing dishonest analysis if you are looking at gun violence in isolation and ignoring the other violence and murder that guns also prevent.@DoesntExist @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3WG2dhalQcc1nb0a by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:11:20Z
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@DoesntExist Are you really lacking that much self awareness.While, yes, you did post attacks against my claims sprinked throughout your response, and these attacks themselves are both welcome and valid talking points...it was also intermingled with constant passive aggressive, insulting, and rude comments... are you really going to sit here nad try to claim you were being passive agressive or arguing in good faith when it literally was spewing all over your post? Just becauseyou throw in some valid talking points I'd be happy to address in isolation doesnt change the fact that all the content between those talking points were effectivelly a immature tantrum with clear signals that any attempt to make an honest engagement with you would be a complete waste of time.Now if you feel like apologizing and want to start over with a more mature conversation I would be more than happy to accept your apology and move forward with a more meantingful conversation.@lawnikky @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3WRUCzQlvlImlHwe by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:13:24Z
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@kinyutaka I never actually claimed licensing and training is something that is harmful or that I am against... I specifically discussing restricting access to guns,a s long as that training takes into account certain concerns it may be perfectly fine, but I'd imagine you might press back on many of the concerns as well.. but overall I am not trying to sit here arguing you cant require some forms of training for guns so long as everyone has access to it and that training is 1) free 2) quick and 3) does not act as a gun registry indirectly@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3Whb1VrRL34U4jFg by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T23:16:20Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei Then you should have read my comment, because I specifically pointed out licensing and training.But I disagree that it should be free, the cost is minimal, but this is akin to getting a driver's license. Some people might need it, some just want it, but it has the potential to kill people.And yes, it absolutely should be registered.
(DIR) Post #AU3WudbFaq1apJ0g8O by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:18:40Z
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@kinyutaka > Then you should have read my comment, because I specifically pointed out licensing and training.I did read your comment it was as follows:> What is similar to these two states? They have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, mostly involving licensing and training of potential gun owners.I chose to address the "most restrictive int he country" part. The points about licensing and training have their own more nuanced issues and at no point did I feel the need to push against that aspect as I dont think its the most concerning part.. the restricted access is the issue, not the training (outside of the difficulty in the process which i did address already)@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3XCAU4aF9xjp0nMO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:21:50Z
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@kinyutaka and just to address your second half.. my concerns here are bit odf tangents as they relate only marginally to preventing death.The longer it takes to get guns (including the time it takes to get trained and licensed) the more time there is for a person who is in a life threatening person to remain at risk... A woman who has been threatened or has a stalking rapist needs a gun **today** and restricting her access puts her life at risk. Yes we have cops, but by the time a cop gets there a woman would long since been raped assuming she could call the cops first at all.But the other issues like cost and registration are serious concerned but arent related to the core issue here of loss of life, those points related to other important but tangental concerns that will muddly the water. So ill pass on diving into that part.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3XDkswjLHmvLP2jg by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T23:22:09Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei My point is that "completely unrestricted access to guns" is a terrible thing, especially when children are involved.I am not suggesting a complete and total ban, but IF it came down to a binary choice between no guns at all or guns for everyone including children and crazy people with restraining orders, then I am going to side with the gun ban.
(DIR) Post #AU3XPTioMy9LARFiN6 by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T23:24:16Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei So, you point to the fact that a person who feels they are in danger might need a gun quickly. Fair enough, but what about the people who want to harm that person? Should a psycho ex-boyfriend who was kicked out of the house after he beat her and was given a restraining order be allowed to get a gun without registering it or waiting to get it?
(DIR) Post #AU3XZgJWPJ2P7JHxKq by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:26:05Z
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@kinyutaka While I certainly lean towards "very liberal access to guns", I never made the claim that guns should have no restrictions of any form. So thats a bit of a strawman there.In fact I already stated that if licensing was done very carefully I would probably support it (fast,l same day licensing, no ability to act as registration, and no financial barriers or the ability to deny a person a license if they have learned all the skills)@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3Xlq53v7U8soK3Tk by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:28:17Z
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@kinyutaka Should a person with a criminal record of beating, and a legal recogtnition of their danger to the person with a restraining order have a gun... as long as the restraining order is based on evidence that the person has been violent int he past, then I'd say no... I'd also say that they should probably be in jail and the point of a gun is moot then anyway.,@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3Y7wkZnsirwIHYOG by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T23:32:17Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei But if we don't have background checks, which basically requires a waiting period, then how do we prevent the hypothetical wife beater from getting a gun?And for the people who, in the heat of anger go and get a gun to kill someone. They don't necessarily have a record, but making them wait a couple days might cool them off.
(DIR) Post #AU3Ya9BHBEi8bIDYgq by Owl@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-27T23:37:26.660136Z
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Absolutely. Everyone should have guns.
(DIR) Post #AU3YtYtVnntfqrAN9s by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:40:52Z
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@kinyutaka We do have background checks.. aside from a few holes (which might be worth fixing, thats a different subject) thye overwhelming majority of ways to buy guns all require background checks, this is true of every single state without exception. The background checks take about an hour.When I bought my AR-15 I had a background check done at the counter and walked out about an hour later. It was actually ssuprisingly strict too, checked my parking record and everything.If someone is in the heat of anger and is ready to kill someone, chances are they will do it with or without a gun. Considering how trivial it is to make your own lethal weapon with very little tools, and how easy it is to kill someone in a planned sort of situation (like with poison), I dont see that as a particularly useful argument.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3Z1Gu4ZmMgN16ZOa by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:42:16Z
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@Owl I wouldnt go quite that far. But despite being raised in a home with no access to guns and generally anti-gun household I am of the opinion that buying a gun for your home is the responsible thing to do and most people should have one.@Litzz11 @kinyutaka @marq @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3Z56zHNxwem5N5YO by Owl@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-27T23:43:02.403263Z
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Do you have a firearm?
(DIR) Post #AU3Z8SghA2fYwgHBSq by VIcFury@poa.st
2023-03-27T23:43:38.785874Z
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@Owl @Litzz11 @kinyutaka @freemo @marq @georgetakei Who…
(DIR) Post #AU3ZBU9YAXrYMKDMu0 by Owl@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-27T23:44:11.496171Z
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(DIR) Post #AU3ZCqhpnrCMaytw0G by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:44:22Z
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@Owl In my main home back int he USA, yes, an AR-15 milspechttps://qoto.org/@freemo/103397525097838103@Litzz11 @kinyutaka @marq @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3ZFu2xq3OtpFEyg4 by Owl@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-27T23:44:59.380978Z
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That is a good firearm.
(DIR) Post #AU3ZMaAO9RKaC9tkjA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:46:08Z
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@Owl Beautiful piece to shoot for sure. was a good purchase.@Litzz11 @kinyutaka @marq @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3Zmwk0qGiljp8H6u by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T23:50:55Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei A 1 hour long background check is a joke.Just to illustrate: Let's say you and I live in Rural Connecticut, a tiny town where everyone knows everyone. I threaten you so badly that you take me to court and get a restraining order. The one sheriff in town sticks it to his dashboard because who else needs to know.I go to Providence, RI (across state lines) and buy a gun. A 1 hour background check isn't going to get the records from Bantam, CT.
(DIR) Post #AU3aEIABIrnDzpPbiy by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-27T23:55:50Z
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@kinyutaka In your example the court would file the restraining order digitally and post it to the background check database (as they are legally required to do).. what the sherif does with it after that is on him....Whats the problem here, it is digital and quick, thats the point... If your arguing the court and the sherif werent doing their legal obligation and adding ito the database then your issue is with their negligence and that is where the solution lies or... also making the system sit there just check the same databases more slowling isnt going to fix the problem. What do you think a gun background check is, some person that travels around the world asking every small town sherif if they heard of someone?@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3aSwGyyOkcRrZrO4 by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-27T23:58:30Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei You clearly don't know what you are talking about.A standard criminal background check takes 1-3 business days. A Federal check can take up to 2 weeks.A 1 hour check is a joke and will only catch the most obvious of red flags.
(DIR) Post #AU3akr9yioHjnrqSDQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T00:01:43Z
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@kinyutaka You are talkiung about entierly different types of background checks... Criminal Background checks take a few day, and areunrelated to guns. They are usually performed by employeers using private investigators. The databases used for gun background checks are locked down and not accessible to a PI. Even if they good access it since the data in it needs to remain private it only gives a pass or fail result, so a criminal investigator (who needs to know the details of the crimes cant use it.Gun background chefcks are automated, secured and specifically designed to covr guns and the needs of gun sales and thus has significant privacy protections... but it also has the advantage of being almost completely digital and thus by its very nature much faster than other unrelated types of background checks.@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3bZWRdV3jkKDGPJo by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-28T00:10:53Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei A 1 hour check that only has a pass/fail result is worthless.
(DIR) Post #AU3cOiXkHGYicIX6VE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T00:20:07Z
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@kinyutaka That makes no sense. Someone selling the gun needs to know if he passed the legal criteria or not. Its not up to them to make any sort of judgement call, that would and should be illegal. Pass or fail is exactly what you need.The fact that the system is digital and fast seems like a poor argument against it, thats exact the ideal, digital data that is complete and fast to search@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3dxBliE0XL3c4D8y by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-28T00:37:35Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei And what I am saying is that if the legal criteria can be searched and cleared in a single hour, including interstate searches that might not be entered into databases yet, then it's not good enough.No search is going to be perfect, obviously, but is it so wrong to accept the same background check that would be needed to get a job for gun ownership?
(DIR) Post #AU3eJAtIAXTEhp60gq by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T00:41:32Z
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@kinyutaka Your reasoning seems very ass backwards, excuse my language... Instead of worrying that someone is negligent and not entering data in the system as they are expect, and thus claiming any fast system is a failure. Focus on fixing the problem by ensuring people enter data in more quickly so its not an issue.Do you even know how often data isnt entered into the system and people get a gun simply cause someone is negligent and didnt enter it on time? That probably isnt a huge issue anyway@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3gOsheu2a3wZVH4C by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-28T01:05:01Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei It is always good to bank on the inefficiency of human beings.
(DIR) Post #AU3gfKXfAOeQuwfh68 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T01:07:14Z
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@kinyutaka By that logic just bank on the ineffiency of the backgroubd check and just cut out the middleman@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU3gnaI6UoQW4xKUvg by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-03-28T01:09:27Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei Good idea. Skip the background check, and ban guns.I told you, if I have to pick between a full gun ban or nothing, I am picking the gun ban.Because a 1-hour background check and no waiting period before getting a gun is "nothing"
(DIR) Post #AU480CUoyQGOo7WChs by localzuk@ohai.social
2023-03-28T06:14:16Z
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@freemo @kinyutaka @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei a very simple response to this - the UK had a school shooting at Dunblane 27 years ago. We put in place restrictive gun ownership very shortly after. There has not been a school shooting since.You can talk about statistics as much as you like, but the USA is the only country in the world that behaves like it does. Gun ownership is seen as more important than the lives of children
(DIR) Post #AU4JKv7BtGIaTgY2Ge by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T08:21:13Z
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@localzuk You managed to replace school shootings, an extremely rare event, with massive increases in violent crimes, homicide, and rape rates... bardly a win.@kinyutaka @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU4OGiFuG7NPCvRCWO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T09:16:30Z
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@localzuk @kinyutaka @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU4ZADga6Qfg9h1N8i by StevePaintsNSkates@mastodon.world
2023-03-28T11:18:39Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakei Democrats try to institute magazine capacity limits, bans on bump stocks, bans on guns designed for the battlefield, red flag laws, background checks, waiting periods....it goes on and on.Republicans regularly block those legislative attempts then promote gun culture on their christmas cards.You are wrong.
(DIR) Post #AU4aLMg17BpzBCdSNM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T11:31:50Z
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@StevePaintsNSkates > Democrats try to institute magazine capacity limits, bans on bump stocks, bans on guns designed for the battlefield, red flag laws, background checks, waiting periods....it goes on and on.Yup all examples of things that pander to the public because a misinformed public think those things help when in fact they make things worse... especially when thats what they SAY they do.. for e4xample no, they havenever banned a gun meant fo the battle field, they ban things like AR-15 which has never seen a battle field and its overwhelming use is to kill small pests. It isnt even suitable for deer hunting... so yea they sit there doing things that people will **think** are real actions but int he end the end result is an increase in violence not a decrease beecause all they did was restrict access to guns for people who arent the problem.Yes republicans do block those nonse4nse, uninformed, and not backed by science attempts... they arent wrong for that... Now where republicans ARE wrong, and they do bare a lot of blame, is in the blocking of access to mental health and other things which are actual genuine solutions to our problem.@Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU4rOVgblxoXDBzuRk by StevePaintsNSkates@mastodon.world
2023-03-28T14:42:54Z
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@freemo @Litzz11 @georgetakei Those attempts ARE backed by statistics. The Clinton assault weapons ban worked. Lower magazine capacity worked. Regulation works.It doesnt take 3 paragraphs of backpeddling whataboutism BS to make my simple documented by clear statistics, evidence based point. No other country in the world has this republican designed problem. My finger is on the block button with you.
(DIR) Post #AU4rc8hY1heLynw5j6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T14:45:21Z
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@StevePaintsNSkates Nope, sadly thats not true.. Though I can understand why you might think so as there is a **lot** of manipulated and unethical use of statistics out there and it takes a professional to usually spot it and discernt he credible analysis from the junk.. but yea, anyone who understands data science and is truely being objective will see, quite clearly, not only did they not work, they made things WORSE.If you want to threaten to block every scientist who tells you your wrong and not have a mature conversation instead, go for it. You'd be doing me a favor... @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU4sIytQMzIa0lv4z2 by StevePaintsNSkates@mastodon.world
2023-03-28T14:53:06Z
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@freemo@qoto.org @Litzz11 @georgetakei Block the freemo misinformation troll like I just did.
(DIR) Post #AU4tG0wUOSSTS9VCtc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T15:03:45Z
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@DoesntExist Whatever you want to call it is fine by me.. Point is you came in like a child having a tantrum making it quite clear youd be a waste of time to engage with in good-faith or to have anything remotely resembling a mature conversation... therefore I did not engage with your questions, and wont, until you actually behave like an adult.@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AU4tQUEgKtdRCW0OrA by freemo@qoto.org
2023-03-28T15:05:38Z
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@DoesntExist Whatever you want to call it is fine by me.. Point is you came in like a child having a tantrum making it quite clear youd be a waste of time to engage with in good-faith or to have anything remotely resembling a mature conversation... therefore I did not engage with your questions, and wont, until you actually behave like an adult.Most of the reason i have 31K followers is because I engage with them respectfully and naturally no matter how strongly I disagree with them... in an internet world full of people like you spreading toxicity and insults rather than anything useful and productive it tends to result in quite a few followers.@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AUJDC3IQPx7G66Up04 by jorge_sds@mastodon.world
2023-04-04T12:53:07Z
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@freemo @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei how is it (in your point of view) democrats doing worse than republicans on this issue?🤔
(DIR) Post #AUJDdTaclbmfSq5MO0 by jorge_sds@mastodon.world
2023-04-04T12:58:05Z
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@freemo @kinyutaka @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei I got a feeling that you and people like you have some difficulties in restricting the 2nd amendment.If it works in reducing the number of deaths, isn’t worth to try it? #JustAskingQuestions
(DIR) Post #AUMgbuwgbCt3TTKUa0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-06T05:06:50Z
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@jorge_sds Absolutely. Problem is with most restrictions we see violent crimes go up. Thats the problem.@kinyutaka @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AUMglUvUC2s5flKvB2 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-06T05:08:34Z
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@jorge_sds Largely by doing feel good measures that cause overall violence rates to be unaffected or, more often, actually go up. They are like antivaxxers focusing on vaccine death but ignoring the lives saved by guns/ vaccines, and just keep making things worse@marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AUMxWNs1qIzkfO69mC by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-04-06T08:16:21Z
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@freemo @jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei Bullshit.While there is an increase in non-gun crime that can be attributed to the idea of "really wanting to kill people", the fact is that it's all but impossible to kill 10 people in a minute with a knife.And most of us aren't talking about going full Japan with a total gun ban. We want more common sense restrictions that get enforced.
(DIR) Post #AUMypsP0eLBcoeNpZo by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-06T08:31:04Z
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@kinyutaka There are far easier ways to kill 10 people in a minute than either a knife or a gun. You could mix up a poison trivially and kill people en masse rather easily@jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AUMz6ZVs8Ief9eYQT2 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-06T08:34:05Z
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@kinyutaka Partial bans arent effective, so the fact that its "common sense" but still makes things worse is exsctly the problem... democrats appeal to the unedilucated common sense, which iften makes it worse, rather than stick to the numbers and foing what works... why? Because what works isnt what the democrats keep demanding and thet care far more about votes than fixing the problem.@jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AUMzHZNGzN0buTmBkW by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-04-06T08:36:06Z
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@freemo @jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei That has happened in Japan. And in America, too. I mean, are you really saying that we shouldn't talk about gun reform because it won't stop all crime ever?
(DIR) Post #AUMzl5nRWVIQra5vbk by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-06T08:41:24Z
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@kinyutaka No i am saying that we should address the problem by ensuring our solutions have a net positive effect on overall crine@jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AUN00xPiSQzbUwYsEq by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-04-06T08:44:15Z
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@freemo @jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei Great, then let's start by making it so people in psychiatric care can't get an assault rifle. Or is that going too far?
(DIR) Post #AUN0ITMkufuHWFWqOm by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-06T08:47:26Z
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@kinyutaka Too far no, but a disaster when you think about it. As you know based on your statement mental health is indeed where we need to focus. However punishing people for seeing a doctor and effectively abolishing doctor patirnt confidentiality has the opposite effect and keeps people from seeking trestment.What we need is not to punish thrm but also give them easy and free access to mental health, with all the privacy in tact@jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AUN0XjR3RxRThWodRA by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-04-06T08:50:12Z
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@freemo @jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei So, your answer then is "Yes, I think that is too far"Just admit it. You don't want to have any barriers to getting guns, even temporary barriers like waiting periods.
(DIR) Post #AUN0m9sFwqOrkmPyxE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-06T08:52:48Z
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@kinyutaka No not too far, self defeating, huge difference.No i do t want attempted solutions that make things worse (like many but not all barriers to getting guns)... i do want the actual solutions implemented like free access to psychiatrkc health for everyone@jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AUN0y3DgVySAaf70Ay by kinyutaka@mstdn.social
2023-04-06T08:54:58Z
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@freemo @jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei You just don't want to be bothered to come up with the solution, and will shoot down every suggestion given.I'm tired of arguing with you.
(DIR) Post #AUN1BHArwXQldO6KdE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-04-06T08:57:20Z
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@kinyutaka Now your just being dramatic. I literally mentioned the exact solution several tines... free and easy access to mental health (psychiatry and medication). That is by far the easiest solution, and a real solution.@jorge_sds @marq @Litzz11 @georgetakei