Post ATrwfWdCcaBGfSPDEG by SoniEx2@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #AThmeXSn6GxfpupM1Y by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-03-15T17:30:41Z
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I keep seeing lots of people who are totally giddy about the #Fediverse, who are gushing over it, who want to promote it, who want it to spread.And who want it to advance. To learn new abilities. To grow new features.That's all fine and dandy.But almost all of these people are still fully convinced that the Fediverse equals #Mastodon. And nothing else. At least not until Tumblr and P92 join the fray. Okay, maybe the #WordPress plug-in that's the talk of the town now that it has become official. Okay, maybe a few of them have also heard of #Pixelfed and/or #PeerTube because their makers are all over the Fediverse.When these people are talking about the Fediverse, they mean Mastodon. And when they're thinking about the Fediverse, they're only thinking about Mastodon. Because that's all they know.So these people want new cool features or even new cool use-cases in the Fediverse, stuff that Mastodon doesn't have. They want Mastodon to have it, or they want new projects to be launched that have these features.If only they knew.If only they knew that everything, literally everything they propose has already been done. Yes, in the Fediverse. In projects which are fully federated with Mastodon. Why don't they know? Because they've never heard of any of these projects, much less what they can do.So they want "quote-tweets" in the Fediverse. Which means they want Mastodon to introduce them.Tell you what: Mastodon is the only microblogging project in the Fediverse that doesn't have quotes. Not only will Eugen Rochko never introduce them, but all the other projects have them with Mastodon forks #GlitchSoc such as being the exception. #Pleroma has them. #Akkoma has them. #MissKey has them. #CalcKey has them. #FoundKey has them. #GoToSocial has them. The old heavyweights #Friendica and #Hubzilla have them, and so does Hubzilla's youngest decendant, the #Streams project. Et cetera.You want "quote-tweets"? Switch to something that isn't Mastodon, and you've got "quote-tweets".Or text formatting in posts like bold type, italics, underline, strikethrough, code blocks etc. Would be great if Mastodon had that, in spite of other people saying they don't want it.Again: Pleroma already has it. Akkoma already has it. MissKey already has it. CalcKey already has it. FoundKey already hasit. GoToSocial already has it. Friendica already has it. Hubzilla already has it (look at this post at its source in a Web browser and weep). (streams) already has it. And so forth. This time, even Mastodon forks have it.It has been done. It has been done many times. It has actually been done before Mastodon.Next, long-form blog posting. We need something like #Medium in the Fediverse that isn't Medium itself. Mastodon's 500 characters are too few, and Twitter-like threads are inconvenient.Except we already have that, too. #Plume and #WriteFreely are about as close to Medium as Mastodon is to Twitter, including clean and distraction-less layouts. Oh, and Hubzilla can do that, too.By the way: Again, Mastodon is the only Fediverse project that can do microblogging that has a 500-character limit. Pleroma, Mastodon's oldest direct competitor, raised it to a default of 6,000. MissKey and its forks have 3,000 as a default. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have character limits of "go ahead, drop your short story in one post in its entirety," so virtually none at all. And yes, Hubzilla has long-form writing on top of that.Speaking of Hubzilla: Most recently, there has been the idea to uncouple one's online identity from a specific instance. Your online self should no longer be firmly tied to any one server exclusively. Now, this sounds so ambitious, it might just as well be science-fiction.What if I told you that just this very thing already exists as well?No, really. No, I'm not making this up. But you should know by now that I'm not.Better yet: It was conceived as early as 2011. By the guy who launched Friendica in 2010. He invented a new principle named #NomadicIdentity and a new protocol named #Zot. In its early stages already, even with no technical implementation yet, Zot was more powerful than ActivityPub is today.In 2012, Zot became reality as the basis of a Friendica fork which later became known as #RedMatrix and, upon its 1.0 stable release in late 2015, which is still prior to Mastodon's initial release, Hubzilla. Hubzilla is still being developed and improved, and it has a fledgling but growing "successor of a successor" named (streams) which offers nomadic identity, too.Now, what does this nomadic identity even look like? Well, not only does it let you move your channel(s) around from instance to instance with ease and, unlike on Mastodon, with absolutely everything on it. No, it also lets you have your channel on multiple instances at once. Identical clones, automagically kept in sync in real-time, all with the same identity, the same content, the same connections.Your identity is no longer strapped down to one instance. Not only that, but your channel, your posts, your content is no longer hosted on only one server. This means that if one instance with one of your clones goes down, you still have spares.Okay, so how about community groups/forums? That'd be cool.Well, for one, there's #Guppe. It's basically bolted on Mastodon, and in practice, it's centralised because there's only one instance. But it's impractical to use.Besides, this is becoming a running gag here, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have exactly this built-in and open for the rest of the Fediverse.Better yet: There's also #Lemmy which amounts to a federated #Reddit or #HackerNews clone. So not only does Lemmy offer this, it specialises in it.Hubzilla alone can provide Fediverse feature suggestions with "has been done" for years to come. Not to mention what else the Fediverse has to offer. Even if someone should want a free, non-commercial, decentralised, federated #GoodReads clone in the Fediverse, it has been done: #BookWyrm.
(DIR) Post #ATiIKlELP08fH8gP5M by phoenix@firebird.zone
2023-03-17T17:26:23.506797Z
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@jupiter_rowland this is a very good post
(DIR) Post #ATrwfWdCcaBGfSPDEG by SoniEx2@chaos.social
2023-03-17T09:53:59Z
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@jupiter_rowland what provides cross-app/cross-instance interaction?
(DIR) Post #ATrwfZUnyGFJYHV33Y by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-03-17T10:46:00Z
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@Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L. #ActivityPub. The language which (most of) the #Fediverse speaks.It is how Mastodon instances talk to other Mastodon instances. And it is how, for example, Pleroma instances talk to Mastodon instances. Or to each other.
(DIR) Post #ATrwfZyaBY472dQpTE by SoniEx2@chaos.social
2023-03-17T18:07:11Z
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@jupiter_rowland okay well, how many steps (and which) do you need to take to fav or boost this linked post? https://chaos.social/@SoniEx2/110023142899250535and what if it were posted on something like IRC or email instead, how many/which steps would it take then?
(DIR) Post #ATrwfcxd5Y5MIY0btw by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-03-17T19:08:05Z
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@DaywalkingRedhead I've never really seen #PeerTube as a #TikTok replacement. Maybe the devs could say something about it (@PeerTube).@EamonnMR I'm not quite sure what exactly you mean with "app".If you mean whether users of different mobile apps for the #Fediverse can stay in contact with users with the mobile app named "Mastodon" that you install from the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store, that's the wrong question. But the answer is yes.If you mean whether users of different projects (platforms, server apps etc.) in the Fediverse that aren't Mastodon can stay in contact with Mastodon users, then: Yes, they can. Each project I've mentioned is federated with Mastodon, i.e. they all connect to Mastodon, and their users can interact with Mastodon users.That's the magic of the Fediverse. And that's the actual idea behind the Fediverse. After all, the Fediverse is not only Mastodon.@{mattl@social.mat.tl} They don't have to put up with all these features.If they want cool new features, they may move to e.g. Akkoma or CalcKey or Friendica or whatever. If they don't, they can stay on good old Mastodon.What they won't get, though, is a 100%, 1:1 Twitter clone, just without Elon Musk.@Phoenix Thank you!@Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L. Do you mean me myself in my specific situation or "you" as in anyone with whichever app is the most popular on whichever hardware/OS platform is the most popular?Do you mean which steps I personally would take using Hubzilla through Firefox on desktop GNU/Linux? Or which steps a beginner would have to take, e.g. using the official Mastodon app on an iPhone?I could tell you the former, but it'd be of little use for most here. I can't tell you the latter because I don't have any practical experience with it.
(DIR) Post #ATrwfnhj90tvcPeZ8q by SoniEx2@chaos.social
2023-03-17T21:39:52Z
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@jupiter_rowland yes, which steps you, personally, as a hubzilla user, would be forced to take by the various cross-interacting software (between the OS, the browser/desktop app, the window manager, the instance, and whatever else might be of relevance), to be able to interact with said post from your fedi account?
(DIR) Post #ATrwfqb6O6NsajZojQ by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-03-17T21:56:09Z
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@Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L. Since I don't have that post in my stream:Step 1: Copy the URL.Step 2: Click on the magnifying glass for search.Step 3: Paste the URL into the search field.Step 4: Hit Enter. The post should appear now.Step 5: Do with it as I please. Share, like, reply, save in a folder, whatever.Basically, interaction with any post is only one search away.
(DIR) Post #ATrxC78ERtFZ8eSW2a by SoniEx2@chaos.social
2023-03-17T22:58:55Z
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@jupiter_rowland okay, so from something like IRC or email you have:1. copy the URL2. manually switch to the browser, then to the instance3. click search4. paste URL5. finally, hit enterwhereas something like twitter it's just1. click URLdo you see the problem? do you see why fedi is bleeding users?
(DIR) Post #ATrxC7mI2xID8tCVTk by mcduquesne@poa.st
2023-03-22T09:16:40.783336Z
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@SoniEx2 @jupiter_rowland click url unable to favorite tweet due to being permanently banned by the single twitter instance in existence.
(DIR) Post #AU4fxu02AYXTItC49o by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-03-28T12:34:12.747238Z
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@jupiter_rowland Yeah, the fediverse should be explored more, it gets quite tiring over the years to see even implementers wanting things that had prior art and so could benefit from at least being studied so you could make better designs or simply be compatible.btw slight corrections:- Pleroma currently doesn't really supports quotes except inline via blockquotes. And while we do want to support MissKey-style quotes, implementing it on our side has been enough of a mess to get abandoned, hopefully it will get revisited at some point.- Pleroma's default character limit is 5 000 not 6 000, and that configurable limit is given to clients via reusing what glitch-soc added in MastodonAPI