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(DIR) Post #ATY6bzjWgoYC1p51jk by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T19:27:46Z
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A retronym is a word that describes something that used to be the only kind of something, like acoustic guitar and postal mail (or snail mail).Here's a new one to me: pork bacon!#Language #EnglishLanguage #retronym
(DIR) Post #ATY6pzxidReanCOcMq by pjaymac@mstdn.social
2023-03-12T19:30:24Z
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@grammargirl Would "pita bread" also fit that definition, or is that more a tautology?
(DIR) Post #ATY76pvLD84ua9JSbY by statesdj@genomic.social
2023-03-12T19:33:24Z
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@grammargirl “dairy milk” https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/03/12/precision-cultivated-dairy/
(DIR) Post #ATY78pDKowYWxZg4EC by wordsmith@writing.exchange
2023-03-12T19:33:45Z
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@grammargirl In the space farce series of books "Space Captain Smith" there's a food-like product called "Sham" - synthetic ham. There's also a "Sham lite", nickname of which I'll leave to your imagination.
(DIR) Post #ATY7oWAtzxZW4bQ7pA by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T19:41:21Z
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@pjaymac I think that's more like "chai tea."
(DIR) Post #ATY8jaHdOZAtK1mSW0 by colorblindcowboy@mastodon.art
2023-03-12T19:51:38Z
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@grammargirl Horseless carriage?Not that anyone uses that phrase anymore.
(DIR) Post #ATY8r2g4E1ENPalUjw by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T19:53:01Z
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@colorblindcowboy That's the opposite! Like chocolate milk."Horse-drawn carriage" is more like a retronym (if people called cars "carriages.")
(DIR) Post #ATY8wBiw1E4KurYmzw by joelanman@hachyderm.io
2023-03-12T19:53:56Z
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@grammargirl Love retronyms! Landline
(DIR) Post #ATY8wowmBhJWZ5KtUG by moliver@pleistocene.social
2023-03-12T19:54:04Z
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@grammargirl Does chicken fingers count?
(DIR) Post #ATY8xV7BPOatLWWnXU by colorblindcowboy@mastodon.art
2023-03-12T19:54:07Z
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@grammargirl ah, right!
(DIR) Post #ATY98BsvFI86tHxGrI by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T19:56:08Z
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@moliver Only if the original thing people ate were chicken fingers, but now people eat all kinds of fingers, and you have to differentiate.
(DIR) Post #ATY9kjCLpsAnDMQ1Jo by devxvda@mastodon.ie
2023-03-12T20:03:05Z
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@grammargirl Turkey Bacon is an insult to God.
(DIR) Post #ATYARnK8NArkSgaw8e by multilingualchurch@theres.life
2023-03-12T20:10:52Z
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@grammargirl Human interpreter.
(DIR) Post #ATYCYCnQmNGZ6pTzma by LizardSF@universeodon.com
2023-03-12T20:34:25Z
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@grammargirl Turkey bacon has been around for a while, but I guess there's enough other bacons that we can't default to "if it doesn't have a modifier, it's piggie".
(DIR) Post #ATYDg7XiINTV5QT9dI by abdalian@lingo.lol
2023-03-12T20:47:04Z
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@grammargirl In Tunica, the language I study, a few words whose domains have been extended, akin to your bacon example, have developed retronyms that use a suffix meaning “true”. So, for example, the word that once referred just to buffalo is now applied to all bovines. To specify "buffalo" specifically, you'd talk about a "true bovine”.
(DIR) Post #ATYEuw6nBp21vDVPRQ by jzitt@c.im
2023-03-12T21:00:45Z
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@grammargirl We had a running gag in college (late 70s) about writing on "acoustic typewriters."
(DIR) Post #ATYEwqYApJ31GJDwVE by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T21:01:05Z
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@abdalian Interesting!
(DIR) Post #ATYEy1cz7rGtuN2JdY by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T21:01:14Z
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@jzitt I love it!
(DIR) Post #ATYGUr6hMXEqmz9Yf2 by thewalkingdeaf@toot.io
2023-03-12T21:18:34Z
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@grammargirl @MLISrevenge tuna fish? 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #ATYHFL1MTXP4t0ozSq by stephenjbell@mastodon.social
2023-03-12T21:27:02Z
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@grammargirl Moving to Oklahoma from Canada, I had to laugh at everyone who wanted to go “ice skating” when we just called it skating.
(DIR) Post #ATYKTZff6Tp0Et9Sm8 by stephenjbell@mastodon.social
2023-03-12T21:29:36Z
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@jzitt @grammargirl I saw someone the other day talking about their “acoustic bike” as opposed to an e-bike. Haha
(DIR) Post #ATYKTa81P2VTeqQ6ym by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T22:03:15Z
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@stephenjbell Haha!
(DIR) Post #ATYKlrSlgxJKdHqB7I by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T22:06:33Z
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In case you missed the replies, people have now shared referring to things as both:*acoustic typewriters (as opposed to electric typewriters) @jzitt *acoustic bikes (as opposed to e-bikes) @stephenjbell I like these fun uses of the word "acoustic"!#retronym
(DIR) Post #ATYLoI1G1k41Wqh7Ng by ianRobinson@mastodon.social
2023-03-12T22:18:12Z
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@grammargirl @jzitt @stephenjbell pedal bikes is a common term round these parts.
(DIR) Post #ATYMS5lJ1DkL64DEA4 by kate@aus.social
2023-03-12T22:25:10Z
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@grammargirl Does this mean “organic” as a food label is a retronym?
(DIR) Post #ATYNGLvfBTVJiX1Uum by coyotesqrl@theinternet.social
2023-03-12T22:34:27Z
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@grammargirl @jzitt @stephenjbell I'm all for calling them acoustic bikes, but then I expect to see baseball cards stuck in the spokes!
(DIR) Post #ATYOqL0KCRtLECvV6O by LizardSF@universeodon.com
2023-03-12T22:52:08Z
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@grammargirl @jzitt @stephenjbell Should we refer to non-flatscreen TVs as “thick screens”?Landlines ad “acoustic phones”?
(DIR) Post #ATYPjaijT7ULtl2pKS by rwwh@mastodon.social
2023-03-12T23:02:09Z
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@grammargirl @jzitt @stephenjbell This is not a retronym, but The Netherlands, quite a while ago, had a government formation period that was called “digital” just because it was different from usual: it was not “analog(ous)” to the ones we were used to.
(DIR) Post #ATYTIksQ02fPOZ2B84 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-12T23:42:06Z
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@kate Interesting question! Since food was originally "organic" (which I'm defining as grown without industrial chemicals and not the other meanings), you could say that "organic" is a retronym on a food label. But I'm not sure people think about it the same way as the other retronyms. What I mean is that although it may technically be a retronym, I don't think people think of non-organic food as the newer version the way they do with other things like e-bikes and electric guitars.
(DIR) Post #ATYTXxN9p4yWUgf1pA by kate@aus.social
2023-03-12T23:44:29Z
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@grammargirl yes! That’s what I was musing on too: having never met “retronym” before I found it a helpful way to think about something we’ve forgotten was the original state, that now seems like the novelty form.
(DIR) Post #ATYUxhKmAxQIEdNwNE by allintensiveporpoises@hachyderm.io
2023-03-13T00:00:40Z
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@grammargirl @jzitt @stephenjbell related:
(DIR) Post #ATYW363Do3TCIMJQhc by dkbgeek@noc.social
2023-03-13T00:12:44Z
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@grammargirl @jzitt @stephenjbell If you've ever been in a room well-populated with real typewriters (manual or electric) you know they're DEFINITELY acoustic! I particularly liked the rhythmic hum of a powered-up IBM Selectric at idle.
(DIR) Post #ATYbCMdnzfyw7pf8oy by jimfl@hachyderm.io
2023-03-13T01:10:37Z
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@grammargirl retronyms should just double the original word. Bacon bacon. Guitar guitar. Milk milk.
(DIR) Post #ATYek5wGtkIk264kS0 by noramaynard@zirk.us
2023-03-13T01:50:12Z
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@grammargirl adding vodka martini
(DIR) Post #ATYm9skvEaaEM30i1Y by evannakita@mastodon.online
2023-03-13T03:13:26Z
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@grammargirl What immediately came to mind was Star Wars Episode IV.
(DIR) Post #ATYqJTWGJjXsnVz10K by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-13T03:59:59Z
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@jimfl That's a thing too! It's called reduplication. https://web.archive.org/web/20210712192711/https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/reduplication-would-you-like-milk-milk-with-your-salad-salad
(DIR) Post #ATZcntmq13EakfJEMy by dheadshot@mastodon.social
2023-03-13T13:03:13Z
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@grammargirlI've only ever heard of unpowered bikes be called "push bikes"...@jzitt @stephenjbell
(DIR) Post #ATa2rynduwBMGXIAxE by photovotary@mstdn.social
2023-03-13T17:55:11Z
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@grammargirl @stephenjbell As a child I often used to play the spokes on my bike tires like a percussion instrument so I can get with acoustic bikes. 😀
(DIR) Post #ATcTYzMqfU41bSqe6i by spraakgerillan@ansiktsburk.se
2023-03-14T22:03:54Z
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@grammargirl @jzitt @stephenjbell Now I sort of want to see ‘acoustic’ take off as an antonym to ‘e-’. So the opposite of e-mail would be acoustic mail, and the opposite of e-vite would be acoustic vite.
(DIR) Post #ATcfcMuKnmU4vjtAzQ by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-15T00:18:58Z
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@spraakgerillan @jzitt @stephenjbell I know! I made a note for my podcast to mention "acoustic" seeming to take on an "opposite of e-" meaning because I love it too. :)
(DIR) Post #ATcnqID0lotuAEocim by stephenjbell@mastodon.social
2023-03-15T01:51:06Z
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@grammargirl @spraakgerillan @jzitt I wish I could take credit for it. Maybe it’s already widespread? https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%22Acoustic%20bike%22&src=typed_query&f=top
(DIR) Post #ATdM9Fh3k9NQJ45ALA by pete@toot.bike
2023-03-15T08:15:28Z
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@grammargirl I had to scroll back to find this post, to let you know they talked of “combustible cigarettes” on the radio just now in contrast to vaping/e-cigarettes.
(DIR) Post #ATdrKpZfmDFrLyd1cW by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-15T14:04:55Z
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@pete Thanks! That’s a good one.
(DIR) Post #ATkARRJFSIPICZZQCO by Wigglepig@mastodon.radio
2023-03-18T15:07:18Z
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@grammargirl “Apple cider” is one that grates for me…cider is literally only made from apples and drinks made from other things have different names…