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(DIR) Post #ATVh94uVTZN8W6PXxQ by empiricism@qoto.org
2023-03-11T14:27:52Z
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Title - The cruel or kind #political party? Certain forms of #politics are evidently cruel to outgroups & certain individuals within their ingroup. These forms of politics are advocated for by groups of people that have behaviours ("lifestyles") that objectively cause more cruelty, compared to a kinder lifestyle.For one example, #vegans compared to animal eaters (consumers & user's of animal parts) is a clear example. Animals can suffer, and #death is usually related to suffering. Or rather, being killed is usually against the animal's will. Farmed animals, or wild animals, don't choose to be slaughtered by humans. Some humans make the choice to consume & use animal parts - in privileged cultures, where there are many non-meat choices that many humans don't choose. Therefore, some humans are either explicitly or implicitly choosing the crueller, the more barbaric, option. Their lifestyles and consumerism habits cause more cruelty (than the alternative).#wildlifeSo, there are explicit (aware) and implicit (ignorant & or in self-denial of) forms of cruelty. For example, many local people burn wood and coal, but they're not intentionally wanting their children to develop asthma. Air pollution diseases are the outcome of air polluting behaviours, not generally the intention of humans. Then there is explicit cruelty - The fuel industries (executives) are aware that their products cause air-polluted diseases (& climate change), though they act in a way that tries to suppress that science (trying to cover up the cruelty) Cruel people tend to have excuses for their cruel behaviours. For example, meat eaters, in privileged cultures, evidently want to eat meat. The manufacturers evidently choose to use, for example, leather, rather than synthetic leather in their products. They know what they are doing causes cruelty, but they do it anyway. The biological evidence suggests that only sentient #animals experience pain & suffering (& the opposite, relief & pleasure). #Plants don't suffer. However, humans with an extreme cognitive bias, to eat meat, don't base their point of view on evidence (they tend to deny it). Their desire to eat meat manifests as a confirmation bias. They either lie about what they know to be true, or they convince themselves, delude themselves, that they must eat meat for health reasons. No amount of evidence, changes their point of view, because, fundamentally, first & foremost, they want to eat meat. That's their premise (a belief caused by a desire. An illogical fallacy). No amount of evidence changes the local people's wood-burning and coal-burning behaviours. They believe in faith-based ideologies, not fundamentally science. Because people are humans, and humans are animals, people can suffer. It's healthy to have cultures that consist of people, that are lucky to have certain privileges, who use those privileges to speak out & criticise the forms of politics & lifestyles that are hypocritical. It's progressive to have cultures where people, that have fewer privileges, and human rights, for example, can speak against those that repress them. Speak out against the hypocrisy of those groups that express views that they deserve more privilege, even when it's not clear how, or why, they deserve to have more privilege (evidently that's a personal bias of theirs)However, don't expect those that are aware that they cause cruelty (explicitly), to change their minds (on a large scale). They do it anyway. They eat meat anyway. It's the implicit forms of cruelty where headway, where progress, can be made (raising awareness). Farm animals or wildlife don't have their own voice in politics or industry. Some humans speak out for non-human animal rights (they have compassion for the animals that other humans exploit). Some people speak out against cruel & corrupt industries. The fossil fuel industries are making record profits. The evidence, from their own business communications, proves that the fuel industries & many of their associates are fraudulent. https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/climate-deception-dossiers In a capitalist economy (that includes cultures such as China & Russia), money buys more privilege. For example, to pay for a legal defence. To have politicians or "think tanks" on your side. Some of the cruellest & corrupt industries - have the most privilege (the louder "voice"). Some of the humans, that cause cruelty & are corrupt, have the most privilege (money). Hypocrisy means having, therefore, expressing double standards. One standard for "us", but a less privileged standard for "them". One standard for me, but a less privileged standard for you. A millionaire can own a private jet and lobby governments to promote jet biofuels. Even whilst food is not being shared with the people in their own rich country (e.g., food banks). A person on a low income will probably pay rent to someone with more money than them. The economic system takes from the have-nots - & gives more to the haves. Those with more money, generally, favour an economic system that sustains their wealth, rather than a system that levels the population's wealth (living standards)Fundamentally, inequality means there are people with more privilege than others. In cultures where there are big differences in the quality of what human rights people have, there is an underlying hypocrisy. There are extreme hypocrites that try to cover up their hypocrisy or, if they have power (e.g., political & economic), don't try so hard - because, they are the repressive regimes. For example, Putin's Russia. The sociopath's habit is, when the mask slips, scare people by threatening more violence (e.g., inferring the use of nukes without explicitly stating that). Simple, but effective, stone-aged-brained repression. Hypocrisy is a cognitive bias. Whilst problems, caused by humans, mean it's not presently possible to "level" the human population's privileges (globally), more often than not, the unequal status quo between the haves & have nots (e.g., .money & all the cultural privileges that afford) is actively sustained by the most privileged having severe double standards (therefore sociopolitical views).Stone aged brained #politics Stone aged brained fuel burning #industry Stone aged brained #meat eatersStone aged brained social #psychology
(DIR) Post #ATVh95YD5x8CVEzFqK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-11T15:33:11Z
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@empiricism "Certain forms of #politics are evidently cruel to outgroups"I disagree. Every choice makes an outgroup. If you make no choices, you discriminate against those who do.Cruelty is inescapable. So is division. War is our destiny. Leap on board the reality train.
(DIR) Post #ATVhLuWbOtDi4TLhD6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-11T15:34:30Z
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@empiricism For example, I like the idea of decriminalized drugs.This alienates those who perceive somewhat correctly that drugs are a substitute for real experience and real spirituality.They are now subjected to my permissiveness.
(DIR) Post #ATVpQgNwCMT3Ia5BFQ by empiricism@qoto.org
2023-03-11T17:05:59Z
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@amerikaThat does seem somewhat stoneage thinking. Don't you perceive that human culture has changed?For example, millions of years ago our ancestors sat around fires, eating dead animals & worshiping deities, but now.....? OK, l understand your perception of "reality" ("train")
(DIR) Post #ATVr2b6mMihdtKhS5I by empiricism@qoto.org
2023-03-11T17:24:02Z
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@amerikaYou don't work for Putin do you? Just saying, he'd agree with your "reality train".
(DIR) Post #ATW6uwwgtDaiZJM9Ro by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-11T20:21:57Z
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@empiricism "Don't you perceive that human culture has changed?"No, in fact, I think it never changes.We are doing much the same as we were then, but now are eating plastic-wrapped dead animals, sitting around televisions, and worshiping secular gods.We are either cruel in method or in destination. I prefer to be cruel in method to dooming everyone.This was a source of great struggle over the last few decades.
(DIR) Post #ATW732w0VTK9SYth4q by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-11T20:23:25Z
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@empiricism I am cynical about many of the recent Russian attempts to make the Western Right into Useful Idiots, and have definitely lost readers for saying so.https://www.amerika.org/politics/your-gut-tells-you-the-truth-about-ukraine/Putin is dealing with a basically ungovernable country of millions of impoverished peasants. I do not envy him.But I think he rules for (a) basic order and (b) his self-perpetuation, which is different than my approach.
(DIR) Post #ATW77nR1YspAptfcEy by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-11T20:23:46Z
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@empiricism That is, anything I do is for improvement of the situation, without any illusions of Utopia.In addition, I want someone else to do the ruling.
(DIR) Post #ATX6YKUfMoSQ6CQDL6 by empiricism@qoto.org
2023-03-12T07:52:34Z
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@amerikaI'm not going to try and "debate" with you. So, don't waste your time "spamming" my posts.