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(DIR) Post #ATKxMipJqAu6bix9ns by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-03-06T05:59:01Z
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Exciting! Mastodon may soon see support for incoming rich text. Which means that more formatting options will be seen in Mastodon. https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/23913See screenshot for what this might look like. @fediversenews
(DIR) Post #ATLPsgMHLoOYw2OjmC by a1ba@suya.place
2023-03-06T16:32:38.416422Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews I hope it has interoperability with existing Mastodon API extension and of course federation.
(DIR) Post #ATLPzaX3PXKAtOjNzc by a1ba@suya.place
2023-03-06T16:33:53.704581Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews nevermind, it's incoming support.Great job mastodevs!
(DIR) Post #ATODBl7V9gzBH88FI8 by sukima@twit.social
2023-03-07T00:58:40Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird I find it curious how our computers all support UTF-8 yet the input methods are so shot that we need complex mark up language to enter in more typography then the 7-bit ASCII allows. I think the tech skipped a step somewhere.
(DIR) Post #ATODBlk8q1tVCyD6WG by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-07T01:11:36Z
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@sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird replacing a word marked up by underlining, with Unicode underlined characters is not the right path to go down. The •only• thing that can “easily” parse those characters by default are human eyeballs. Those who need to use screen readers plus any software that searches the text will have trouble with those underlined characters.
(DIR) Post #ATODBmCr7GrYe1e2HA by sukima@twit.social
2023-03-07T01:13:25Z
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@carlrj @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird I was very much _not_ suggesting that. I was not suggesting any solution. I was merely contrasting that we got here and that technology has failed in something so basic as to need such awkward solutions anyway.
(DIR) Post #ATODBmpUnblsZritVI by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-07T01:20:12Z
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@sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird we have 95 printable characters in the ASCII set, give or take, which isn’t too hard to work out on a 100ish key keyboard. What would make a better direct input solution for any of the tens of thousands of Unicode characters? Adding keys doesn’t scale.We have an enormous number of symbols that it is good to be able to uniquely record in computers, but only a few handfuls we really need day-in/day-out. But I’m interested in alternate input solutions.
(DIR) Post #ATODBnOEiRYoJbydea by sukima@twit.social
2023-03-07T01:33:36Z
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@carlrj @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird Still kinda thinking inside the box. Why do we need a solution? It is ok to point out the awkward solutions we have to a problem that if history played out differently we would not have. Considering that we are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams how did we get to a point where markdown is the solution to a typography problem? Maybe things could be different.
(DIR) Post #ATODBny2ZKCU6ejESe by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-07T01:39:58Z
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@sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird but Markdown is not the solution to a typography problem, it’s the solution to a semantic problem - you want to indicate that •these words• are being emphasized, not that those individual letters are each being emphasized. There •is• a difference, which, as mentioned, gets highlighted by thins like screen readers and programs reading text.Markdown is not a great solution, but it’s a good solution to use while seeking a better one.
(DIR) Post #ATODBoVMZQr5m0JqOu by sukima@twit.social
2023-03-07T01:43:28Z
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@carlrj @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird 1) You just emphasized just fine without Markdown 2) It has been 50 years, why are we as a technology community still //waiting// on a solution better than Markdown? —This is a bit of a devil’s advocacy but I still think we can express ourselves just fine with plain text without needing fancy things like RichText. It feels weird to me.
(DIR) Post #ATODBp1GeoNNMxFK88 by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-07T01:53:42Z
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@sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird (1) using • around words for emphasis is not a standard, and, just like using individuallly underlined letters, cannot be easily understood by software. Markdown can - simply because of widespread adoption, it’s a standard of sorts.(2) 50 years since what? Computers have been around far longer, Markdown •far• less long.
(DIR) Post #ATODBpn7msenlNdXiy by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-07T14:23:42Z
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@carlrj @sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird I’m still salty because I thought we’d decided long ago that surrounding text with asterisks meant BOLD. But Markdown breaks that by treating it as EMPHASIS, which usually gets shown as ITALICS. As everyone knows, italics should be represented by surrounding the text with //. #xkcd927 https://xkcd.com/927/
(DIR) Post #ATODBqLrhiRjV7tHsG by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-07T19:46:08Z
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@MetalSamurai @sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird it’s a little trickier - in Markdown, single asterisks, or single underscores, mean italics, while double asterisks mean bold. I can’t recall ever seeing italics done with slashes. Looks too much like Unix pathnames.
(DIR) Post #ATODBqubcYEfEs921Y by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-07T19:56:13Z
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@carlrj @sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird Again, leading and trailing underscores mean UNDERLINE*. I was so angry when I first heard about Markdown (from people’s glowing reports about how wonderful, simple and obvious it was). Just took existing conventions and scrambled them up for no reason. * of course if you really wanted to underline ironically you’d follow each individual character with the ^H_ sequence.
(DIR) Post #ATODBrNJtnCifvZxmS by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-07T20:10:46Z
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@MetalSamurai @sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird it’s a shame that your fork of the Markdown code to change it to what you believe is the proper syntax, never caught on.It wasn’t some big committee that “got it wrong”, it was a guy, who did it for his own use, so he could write blog posts as plain text, and it caught on.You can write your own and attempt to win Markdown users over to your side, but it’s an uphill battle. Common usage often wins over “better” (see QWERTY vs Dvorak).
(DIR) Post #ATODBrro4RagCTqJIe by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-07T20:18:56Z
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@carlrj @sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird The conventions I’m describing were in widespread use long before Markdown. If there are any text corpuses of Usenet posts or mailing lists from the 90s you’d find them in use everywhere, alongside old style ascii smileys. Markdown has now drowned out the old *bold* /italic/ _underline_ and I’m apparently now an old guy shaking my fist at the sky demanding the youngsters get off the lawn.
(DIR) Post #ATODBsaTONJsR0jyvA by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-07T20:24:26Z
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@MetalSamurai @sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird I was on Usenet quite a bit in the 80’s and 90’s. I don’t recall a lot of slashes being used for italics. Gruber invented something for his own uses that caught on, and nobody jumped in with a clearly better solution, so this is what we have.
(DIR) Post #ATODBtSMA2QB87x0uO by AlisonW@fedimon.uk
2023-03-07T20:50:51Z
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@carlrj @MetalSamurai @sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephirdI've been sending messages online since mid-70s. Only ever saw/used back then*big emphasis* (cf Bold) _lesser emphasis_ (cf Underline)Slashes? Nope.
(DIR) Post #ATODBuaXx4ZCdon4JU by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-07T23:09:28Z
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@AlisonW @carlrj @sukima @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird You predate me. I only discovered Usenet in the late 80s. I definitely did not imagine this. It’s mentioned in this document. http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/EmphasisPattern
(DIR) Post #ATODBvd45CAvruyasS by sukima@twit.social
2023-03-07T23:14:21Z
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@MetalSamurai @AlisonW @carlrj @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird I started with Usenet in the 90's and I remember people using slashes and other forms of markup in ASCII for all kinds of emphasis. I even remember lots of <g> used for grin/joke. And it is amazing how this thread devolved into semantics instead of discussing the inability for technology to be expressive by design in the first place.
(DIR) Post #ATODBwh082uzAPpFeS by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-07T23:38:20Z
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@sukima @AlisonW @carlrj @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird It’s disappointing that nearly 40 years later we are no better at presenting meaningful styled text. On the other hand it’s entirely on brand for a discussion mentioning Usenet to go wildly off topic. All that’s left is for us to divide up into Emacs vs Vi and then declare if we are for or against Heinlein.
(DIR) Post #ATODBxu9cd28vUzGnA by drgeraint@glasgow.social
2023-03-08T00:19:25Z
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@MetalSamurai @sukima @AlisonW @carlrj @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephirdEmacs! (but vim for some things, particularly over ssh). Heinlein was an excellent writer, with unexcellent political views.And yes, markup is good. Obviously TeX/LaTeX would be the best approach.
(DIR) Post #ATODBymkLehbeoWrsu by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-08T00:23:08Z
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@drgeraint @MetalSamurai @sukima @AlisonW @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird emacs is a great OS, if only it included a good text editor. ;-)
(DIR) Post #ATODBzEkfX6V3fdEXI by MetalSamurai@mas.to
2023-03-08T00:40:15Z
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@carlrj @drgeraint @sukima @AlisonW @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird Emacs was my window manager, my IDE, my Mail reader, Usenet reader, address book, ftp client and more. In server mode it ran all the time so gnuclient in any terminal window would connect with all my state intact. Vi is what you were forced to use before you could get Emacs installed. Or ex on systems with broken Termcap. Yuck.
(DIR) Post #ATODBzhSwm4YUj4AIC by carlrj@hachyderm.io
2023-03-08T00:44:49Z
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@MetalSamurai @drgeraint @sukima @AlisonW @atomicpoet @fediversenews @quephird vi was installed on basically every system (I’m not sure I’d call it a Unix system if it didn’t have vi), and for text editing, it requires the fewest number of keystrokes for editing and rearranging text. Sure, in emacs, you didn’t have to go into insert mode, but that meant everything else took more characters, more shift key use, more control key use, etc.
(DIR) Post #ATODIbVxGcTnVkplGy by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-03-08T00:55:47.953291Z
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Yeah, I was always a bit guy for those reasons: it was everywhere and it wasn’t bloated. I want to edit a file, I don’t need a full operating environment. :’E ventuallyM allowsA llC omputerS torage
(DIR) Post #ATRU8FtL5RL4FSIopE by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-03-06T06:01:59Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews I hope they give that release update the Nickname "Aaron"...Cuz #AaronSwartz made #Markdown...
(DIR) Post #AUNxqtBbJdBSjwzTSi by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-04-06T19:54:48.082898Z
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@radicaldreamers Stop using github!
(DIR) Post #AUO640VsBVlorWErse by nikoloiz@mastodon.social
2023-04-06T21:04:56Z
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@jeffcliff @radicaldreamers @atomicpoet @fediversenews Sorry, must be a bit behind… but what’s wrong with GitHub? 🙃
(DIR) Post #AUO641LH6Ot3QwHv04 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-04-06T21:26:49.407748Z
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It's owned by NSA/Microsoft
(DIR) Post #AUPawOZAmew2IifNaq by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-04-07T07:52:06Z
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@Jeff Cliff 🦝 @Niko Lewis :mastodon: @Radical Dreamers 🌙 And, unlike what many believe, #GitHub is not the only git-based code hoster out there. There are lots of others which aren't owned by Silicon Valley megacorporations hungry for money and power.For example, Codeberg or Notabug or, if you want to park your code outside the USA, France-based Framagit, home of Hubzilla.
(DIR) Post #AUPawPQhZdkkyji81o by PythonLinks@mastodon.social
2023-04-07T08:44:14Z
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My school, Silesian University of Technology, requires us to submit using the Microsoft Github accounts. They have academic funcitonality. Who else could my school be using? What arguments do I present to the teacher?@jupiter_rowland @jeffcliff @nikoloiz
(DIR) Post #AUPawQ8IxWdD9y6wzY by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-04-07T14:47:26.527149Z
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Then drop out, or organize your student body to go on strike.They have 'academic functionality' so they can abuse your community. You should be demanding your professors resign for forcing this on your community and if they do not resign kill them.