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(DIR) Post #ATNM1m79JBuptPJzDE by moshguy@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T14:58:53Z
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@adamIn regards to podspeeding. I find many of the clips irritating. Nothing you have done wrong, I just can't stand these people in the clips. I know that I need to hear crap they are spewing. Speeding up the podcast helps me get past the idiot part quicker. Kinda like, when I was a kid, I would eat the broccoli as quickly as possible, so it's out of the way.
(DIR) Post #ATNMYXFXb0PfLZrrlY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T15:04:05Z
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@moshguy @adam Sounds like the problem is that most podcastings are rambling messes that need editors.
(DIR) Post #ATNMmUffymHpP7kS5w by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T15:07:19.673788Z
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this is like saying people 'need' to consume propagandathere's room in the world for podcasts that are just people ramblingbut the main problem is people aren't talking to eachother irl as much as they could, and podcasts are a poor replacement
(DIR) Post #ATNMvZp2CJITzBSNLU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T15:08:57Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy Last paragraph: agreed people need to talk to each other more.Podcasts are a replacement for radio.People rambling reduces the quality that is expected, sort of like hip-hop and metalcore did to music.That is a negative effective, sort of like pop culture itself.
(DIR) Post #ATNN4aJpihUG8I9qoy by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T15:10:33Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy Also, from the Might-is-Right department:People _are going to_ consume propaganda no matter what we do.Religion, advertising, government, even their friends bullshitting them about how cool their new BMW is.All we can do is reduce propaganda load and ensure that there is useful propaganda out there to shout down the crap.
(DIR) Post #ATNNHnAbFdjjkp8XdQ by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T15:12:58.915613Z
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Podcasts are not just a replacement for radio. They are a replacement for video games, music(including CDs, vinyl, 8 tracks, etc), and movies.You have to choose whether or not you listen to #noagenda or watch a disney movie. You could, theoretically do both at once but it's hard. And virtually impossible if you listen to noagenda at 2.5x speed if you want to actually understand what they are saying. It's a complementary good/service. And as such, it's competitive -- noagenda is more important, to me, to listen to, than disney movies and any chance I'm given to choose between 'noagenda' and 'disney movie' i will choose the former, even though the latter really did have a lot more put into its production.It's not all negative: there are positives to hiphop/metalcore , along with negatives. It's cheaper, in every sense of the word.
(DIR) Post #ATNNZscLjh0prVk21Q by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T15:16:15.736275Z
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also be aware that just like there's a right/left paradigm of politics, there is also a right/left paradigm of astroturfed propaganda. so easy to be a useful idiot these days.
(DIR) Post #ATNTaaLfkE2dDTf0Do by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:23:17Z
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@toiletpaper @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Very true. The Right-wing version is the "muh $4tn in anti-poverty and anti-racism programs is okay but $100bn in aid to Ukraine is bad."
(DIR) Post #ATNTiB27kZGT1F8Xdw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:24:57Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy > there are positives to hiphop/metalcore IMHO, no. It's just moronic music for moronic people. It dumbs down music itself. I am more certain of this in regard to metalcore.How did we go from Discharge to Eskimo Callboy in thirty years? Decline.In my estimation, most people who listen to podcasts do it while doing something else, like video games or crucifixion or something.
(DIR) Post #ATNTl60yrgtgK6zgUS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:25:29Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy Have we heard any _good_ crustcore since the early 1990s? Disfear was the last hope.
(DIR) Post #ATNU3lVpJi2YEpK9hY by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T16:28:53.217095Z
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surebut they don't listen to music at the same time, or have the tv on at the same time, or watch movies at the same time, or play video games at the same time. i mean maybe they do but very fewthere's only so much attention to go around
(DIR) Post #ATNUDd0RnUZykjLjl2 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:30:05Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy I wish I knew a way to get more data on this.I know a lot of our pipe smokers like to listen to podcasts while shitpoasting and smoking a pipe.
(DIR) Post #ATNUF51d6n09wSax60 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:30:55Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy Some of my best reviews were written while screwing around in WebWorld (sailfish.peregrine.com, RIP) and listening to music, back when it required a manual CD player.(wheezes, waves cane)
(DIR) Post #ATNUOY1aeuksUK5i1w by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T16:32:29.140983Z
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surebut they don't smoke a pipe, listen to a podcast *and* watch TV at the same time
(DIR) Post #ATNUVfoQ6SqgfTKQro by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:33:25Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy True, watching television is out. But they might smoke a pipe, listen to a podcast, and play Red Alert 2 at the same time.I mean, figuratively. I don't know anyone who personally does this, of course.
(DIR) Post #ATNUX6HXAwQR3FcvSq by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:34:02Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy The NA troll room is a great example of multitasking.Listen to the podcast while chatting.
(DIR) Post #ATNUdXvjICemXSVA0m by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T16:35:21.363935Z
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right: and NA troll room people, if they are listening to NA, aren't also listening to music or watching at that moment probably
(DIR) Post #ATNUkgRE3gTmx8dYTA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:36:09Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy Some of them get hit by cars while podcasting:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8YIIAzXLO8I hope the driver screamed out "Allahu Ackbar!" before impact.
(DIR) Post #ATNUqPcrTlioY1oMOO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:37:39Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy Right, this is the point I am making: they treat it as a replacement for radio.You cannot really both watch television and listen to a radio.You can listen to a radio and work, shitpoast, play video games, smoke a pipe, or something of that nature.This is why I see it as a replacement for radio.
(DIR) Post #ATNV0yE1h62skgEH7Q by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:39:05Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy Sort of like how lots of us post to the #Fediverse while in Zoom meetings or on conference calls.
(DIR) Post #ATNVkyqxgvna1KNdlQ by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T16:47:53.392750Z
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it is a replacement for radio, for sureit's also a replacement for other things (to a lesser extent)and with podcasts there's going to be temptations to increase the amount of focus given1) when one starts googling claims made to follow along in the podcast...it becomes the predominant focus with the hands and computer being preoccupied, similarly with trollboxes -- your eyes begin to be brought into what would be an audio medium2) when you gain the ability to control the speed at which you listen, you can optimize for speed, as i do, and start occupying the use of your mind, and ears fully3) podcasts can be remixed and cut up by their listeners -- the remixing, too, takes time, focus, and your ears to do.video games you can obv play with podcasts in the background, but at a certain point you gotta choose to focus either on what's being said or the game one thing i'm learning as i age, is the older you get the less you have the ability to focus generally
(DIR) Post #ATNVuwDIMRH2jGZgjg by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T16:49:41.580513Z
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@jeffcliff @amerika @adam @moshguy If I had 30+ minutes a day free to sit around and listen to something, i'd listen to those Pimsleur CDs that teach you a foreign language instead of some fat dweebs whining about politics.
(DIR) Post #ATNW2uyAryIbBiJ6OG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:51:07Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @moshguy Now that is an interesting question.I would argue that the older you get, the more you are able to focus... but also the more you eliminate distractions.Depth of focus and breadth of analysis become more important.Young people, God/gods bless 'em, tend to be able to do a lot at once but never get too deeply into any of it.The exceptions make great works and sometimes die early because there is nothing left for them to achieve.
(DIR) Post #ATNW4jB9g5ENCPF3Am by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-03-07T16:51:27.592046Z
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I know I mentioned this before but I noticed that podcasts that were ostensibly about interests have politicized. You say that “podcasting was always political,” but that’s a cope. It was never political to this extent.
(DIR) Post #ATNWC4MZJXiIvZ55dI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T16:52:42Z
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@caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Probably depends on the quality of the political discussion...
(DIR) Post #ATNWJUDxYs9RA4ai4u by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T16:54:07.367628Z
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@amerika @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff But think about how cool it would be to go into Benihana and order in Japanese! You'd blow that Filipino waiter's mind!!!
(DIR) Post #ATNWoy2mk53acgNLfM by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T16:59:44.872216Z
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pimsleur appears to be restricted by copyright, and not creativecommonsso given the choice between pimsleur cds and a creativecommons podcast, the choice should be made for the latter
(DIR) Post #ATNWrapHWQ6hU0JMkS by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:00:17.473061Z
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at the cost of legitimizing copyrighted media? not worth it
(DIR) Post #ATNWy2X1QVAr9CqQoy by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:01:28.296065Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @amerika @moshguy With a VPN, EVERYTHING is creative commons licensed!! 🏴☠️
(DIR) Post #ATNXXLlDvQCQv9KBMm by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:07:49Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @adam @moshguy I believe in the necessity of copyrights and trademark.If you want people to care about something, they have to own it.Many open source people "own" their software at an emotional and intellectual level, and produce good stuff.The standard does not, which is why most of what we use is still free market developed.
(DIR) Post #ATNY2ezAUtf7WTmE52 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:13:29.878612Z
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> If you want people to care about something, they have to own it.'own' is being conflated between legal 'owning' and 'owning' as in caring about. to care about is to own open source software under your controlcopyright should only exist to keep people from restricting access to culture (ie as a mechanism for copyleft) if even that much> which is why most of what we use is still free market developed.most people use copyright-restricted material because, until recently, most of them haven't had access to a general purpose copying device allowing them to replicate it, and fewer people have thought about the implications of owning such a deviceOnce you have everyone in the world with the ability to replicate mp3s at will, and at virtually no cost...copyright on audio files was no longer a regulation of manufacturers, record companies and professionals -- it was an infringement on *all* human beings with sufficient access to culture and technology. Any ownership right that frustrated the ability of *all* people to share in audio files is inherently globally harmful and only locally beneficial.
(DIR) Post #ATNYS1FUrMmJoLVSmO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:18:04Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @adam @moshguy I support piracy in some contexts as the best way to spread new music, but I think part of that is stepping outside the market entirely and filtering out lazy people that way.Ownership has many levels. Some is emotional and intellectual, but people have to eat, so financial self-interest is a powerful motivator.I think most people use copyright-restricted material for two reasons: (a) a lot of it is better and (b) most just imitate others.
(DIR) Post #ATNYVsz9WeJBL9hncm by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:18:45.090487Z
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@amerika @jeffcliff @adam @moshguy I support piracy because fuck the jew publishers.
(DIR) Post #ATNYqQSamDFex6GmkS by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:22:30.102734Z
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> but people have to eatYeah, but at the same time if your culture is still struggling with basics like "having enough to eat" chances are pretty good you're failing at other things, and probably don't have access to generally useful copying devices. It's such a waste of human potential that we even have to worry about this at all in discussions like this.
(DIR) Post #ATNYuYGjgZsWKSgvoG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:23:14.163117Z
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I don't think this is true, there's plenty of data to suggest that works under copyright often end up being neglected and don't get distributed as widely as works out of copyright.A particularly good example is the John Carter series, roughly half the books are public domain, the other half are still under copyright. Guess which half is easier to get your hands on.Anyhow, it's questionable whether "intellectual property" should be called property at all since it doesn't have the same charactaristics that define actual property.Property is defined by rivalrousness (only one person can use it at a time) and scarcity (there isn't enough for everyone). Land is property because if I build a farm on a stretch of land then you can't build one there and there isn't enough farmland for everyone who wants it.By contrast a literary concept is not rivalrous, two people can work off it and consume it at the same time, and it's not scarce, copies are easily made and there's no limit to how many we can have.
(DIR) Post #ATNZ3MfmAYKcyEbddw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:24:49Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @adam @moshguy I used to be more concerned about that, until I realized that capitalism works fine unless you also deplete culture and add diversity, socialism, big government, etc.To maximize human potential, we should reduce costs so those who can rise can do so.Then ignore the losses, since those are inevitable in life anyway.
(DIR) Post #ATNZ7rBGgQhmkPTiKG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:25:17Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @adam @moshguy Another point is this:People are going to ask what you are doing with your life.If you are an author, being able to point to copies sold has an impact on your state of mind and self-esteem.
(DIR) Post #ATNZ9929n8x4PJpZEO by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:25:52.274193Z
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@jeffcliff @amerika @adam @moshguy Sorry, but we have no money for food for eating. We spent it on all this stuff sitting in a parking lot in Poland
(DIR) Post #ATNZJfl2ymGanLqcim by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:27:29Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff I disagree here. First, a literary concept is not protected by copyright, although characters and specific works are.Second, property does not require scarcity; it is about control of the future of the property.With literature, getting paid to create and then having authority over the future of those creations is important.In a society where no one got paid to write, you would have more literature... almost all of it trash.
(DIR) Post #ATNZKMAhHnjwL4AhX6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:27:50Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Look how devastating the democratization of authorship has been already.Tons of books, almost none of any quality.
(DIR) Post #ATNZO0bRQ5PybSQFay by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:28:32Z
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@caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Actually, three quarters of our budget goes toward anti-poverty and anti-racism programs.https://www.amerika.org/politics/cutting-entitlements-will-be-required-to-solve-the-national-debt/
(DIR) Post #ATNZPQq1MbMuG9v8XQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:28:49Z
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@caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Poland or Afghanistan?
(DIR) Post #ATNZPkod5U8gDdQJ96 by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2023-03-07T17:28:53.676665Z
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@caekislove @jeffcliff @adam @amerika @moshguy All that desert storm camo is going to look real good in Ukraine
(DIR) Post #ATNZQDiFeHGhqFf7jM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:28:58.253262Z
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I'm not sure how that helps your point. All of those authors have benefitted from copyright.
(DIR) Post #ATNZV88fnd2E0EMW7U by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:29:49Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff The point is that abolishing copyright makes the situation worse.I am not sure that they are really benefitting... not so many seem to be making any money, outside of genre fiction.
(DIR) Post #ATNZdzTDOmflivCArI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:31:26.794061Z
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> I disagree here. First, a literary concept is not protected by copyright, although characters and specific works are.Oh it is. Plenty of copyright cases out there over works being "too similar."> Second, property does not require scarcity; it is about control of the future of the property.Scarcity is what makes property monopolies necessary in the first place. Non-scarce resources (like breathable air) are not considered property.> In a society where no one got paid to write, you would have more literature... almost all of it trash.Why do you assume no one would be paid to write without copyright? Paid authorship long predates copyright laws. Plus there are plenty of creators who get paid despite releasing their work as public domain.
(DIR) Post #ATNZh0MGYPE5LWNlUO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:32:00.110324Z
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> The point is that abolishing copyright makes the situation worse.How?> I am not sure that they are really benefitting... not so many seem to be making any money, outside of genre fiction.Then how would abolishing copyright change anything for better or worse?
(DIR) Post #ATNZkcjOLAozE6vOdM by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:32:38.683589Z
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@amerika @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff What came first? Dumb bitches being the only people who read novels or novels being written being so shittily that only dumb bitches would ever read them? I was on a plane trip a few years back and the only thing I had to read was a copy of Fifty Shades of Grey that I stole from my mom and goddamn I never wished so hard for a plane crash in my life.
(DIR) Post #ATNZocQVPn4VRLzocy by mar77i@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:33:23.223643Z
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@amerika @Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff The public domain is an ass. Copyright, implemented sanely, is very good with regard to physical products. I'll just leave my favorite Razörfist rants here, as it touches to the issue. https://www.bitchute.com/video/jV1DxpXllC8/
(DIR) Post #ATNZpuCmnddEryBzLk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:33:35.004579Z
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to give an example: in 2011, around the time of the noagendas that i'm listening to rn, i was working but was only a couple paycheques away from a time when i was having issues affording food consistently. I was given a choice : I could sign a contract that had huge penalties for getting fired, sleeping in would likely get me fired, and staying up late practicing with my band would likely lead to sleeping inorquit the bandi chose the later, because i really was worried about having enough to eat. I had signed that contract to get out of poverty, and it worked, but it still meant less music in practice. ie when it comes down to 'fix starvation or music' fix starvation wins in practice.Could i have pushed forward with music? Sure. There wasn't really a market that would have paid, though, and it would have ended poorly. Copyright wouldn't have helped, either - it was more likely to burn us (as a small band, that played copyrighted works without protection from the protection racket that is copyright, we would have wound up paying, rather than making money on our performances)Could we have made our own music? Sure. But then we'd be blocked by venues(who are pressured by copyright monopolities to restrict competition), like I am now, even if our music was any good.
(DIR) Post #ATNZtQgQVGsCT1jjoe by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:34:14.386874Z
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People were complaining about this even back in the 1800s. They were concerned chick-lit like wuthering heights were ruining young girls.
(DIR) Post #ATNZvO2xHFn2rwCwEK by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:34:35.405715Z
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@amerika @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff I'm talking about food for humans. All those programs you're talking about are for niggers.
(DIR) Post #ATNa2XTWcXGa8d2ueG by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:35:53.356690Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff Giving the Russians lots of combat experience against our weapons and tactics seems like a pretty dumb strategy but hey I don't have 5 stars on my hat and more merit badges on my chjest than the fucking Kaiser of Germany.
(DIR) Post #ATNa6qvmE7VndZJkFk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:36:40.264624Z
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No it isn't. The public domain is the common heritage of humanity. Copyright is not 'very good' with regard to physical products or anything else - it is cultural damage
(DIR) Post #ATNa9qon6ORS9lTnBg by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:37:12.457787Z
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@Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff I bet if you went back in time and showed gutenberg that book he'd smash his printing press and bury the pieces in his backyard
(DIR) Post #ATNaExN6AFe7vfxeXA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:38:08.188091Z
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Yeah... there's just that little "implemented sanely" bit.With public domain disputes over authorship and derivative works get settled by the market. If you relentlessly copy other people's stuff and don't give credit you're probably not going to have many customers. People don't like that kind of thing.With the "sanely implemented" copyright laws those same disputes get settled in the courts at huge expense where the guy with the biggest bank account can just run his competitor into the ground, even if the other guy was the original creator.There's nothing sane or natural about it, it's the jewiest conflict resolution method imaginable. Even if it were desireable for some reason I'm not convinced it can be sanely implemented.
(DIR) Post #ATNaGmloYDYjd3OUFM by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2023-03-07T17:38:28.743679Z
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@caekislove @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff Imagine risking Russia downing and then capturing one of our expensive high tech jets over a pissing match.
(DIR) Post #ATNaJ9XMsILeoolWdc by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:38:53.680407Z
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@mar77i @amerika @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Razorfist or whatever his real name is needs to get a real job and stop disappointing his parents with this influencer for incels bit he's been doing
(DIR) Post #ATNaPYKfbF57SOsUSm by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:40:03.604968Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff Maybe Biden figures it's cool since the Russkies and Chinks already got all of our shit from the Taliban
(DIR) Post #ATNaQC7xdugOsZEuCu by mar77i@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:39:46.789007Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy Tell that to drug-laden Dorothy sniffing heroin like it's the yellow brick road. Yes, this kind of misinterpretation of the story is okay, because of your "common heritage of humanity".
(DIR) Post #ATNaQCpv0TqR4to0iu by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:40:09.793381Z
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I will. Go fuck yourself.
(DIR) Post #ATNaT2fNH7zEPAE4iu by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:40:41.236649Z
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No it doesn't. Copyright makes everything worse.
(DIR) Post #ATNaXNR9zZS3yye1Pk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:41:27.803116Z
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Yes? Even with copyright protections in place that's clearly still exempt as satire.
(DIR) Post #ATNacY4vr3P6QziIpk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:42:23.944955Z
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I'll go further: this razorfist is an enemy of mankind, and should have no shelter in the civilized world. He's a waste of human flesh and should be turned into fertilizer.
(DIR) Post #ATNafPEHDF35rERlTM by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:42:55.024776Z
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@jeffcliff @mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy Well yes he's a youtuber
(DIR) Post #ATNak4UZjwnyzTIMV6 by Impaler@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:43:44.404973Z
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Wuthering Heights is about race-mixing.
(DIR) Post #ATNarG9klt9fC2z1xw by mar77i@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:45:03.119835Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy That remains to be seen. 💩
(DIR) Post #ATNb5Dd4xna3PUMAGe by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:47:34.680606Z
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(DIR) Post #ATNbCFvaodSAZAN6em by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:48:50Z
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@Impaler @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Lots of popular fiction back then idealized fatalistic behaviors like marrying Irish people.Eventually that trend ran its arc, too.
(DIR) Post #ATNbG95WBjagVjrw5Q by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:49:31Z
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@caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Fifty Shades was a trend, like Tom Clancy was back in the day.The bigger problem is that there are no really good books, and most books are spoon-feeding for morons.It is impossible to blame women for this.
(DIR) Post #ATNbIHgHD9QTjy59hw by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:49:56.469997Z
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@Eiregoat @mar77i @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff The CCP would just DCMA all of the Xi as Pooh depictions, but it goes against their principles
(DIR) Post #ATNbMrcBYEtwLWLtlA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:50:44Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @mar77i @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Works move into the public domain over time.However, handing out great literature for free from the get-go makes it harder for it to gain ground.A good book has lots of people profiting from it, therefore doing their best to make it work.We have few of those these days.
(DIR) Post #ATNbOtkMb0JHXN9D04 by BobsonDugnuttHB@poa.st
2023-03-07T17:51:09.089448Z
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@caekislove @Shadowbroker2135 @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff Maybe the US is prolonging the war so that they can learn from the Russians how to actually fight one.
(DIR) Post #ATNbSqoPRu7ZarvOoy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:51:51.499731Z
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> The bigger problem is that there are no really good booksthis is absurdthere are good books out there, there's a lot more crap, but like everything: 99% of everything is crap
(DIR) Post #ATNbWr2UXwk7SMQ9Ca by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:52:33Z
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@caekislove @adam @moshguy @Shadowbroker2135 @jeffcliff I think the US is planning a new iteration of all of these weapons systems based on what is learned.It's cruel but they are killing Ukrainians and Russians in order to envision the next war.
(DIR) Post #ATNbZsy3pguAJ3nGOe by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:53:07.249505Z
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> However, handing out great literature for free from the get-go makes it harder for it to gain ground.Tough.Every author since plato competes with reader eyes with plato.
(DIR) Post #ATNbbsNUzpKz3Zdoci by TheEternalAnglo@poa.st
2023-03-07T17:53:29.845187Z
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@caekislove @mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff First he needs to stop disappointing his fat as fuck GF and stop jacking off to porn every night.
(DIR) Post #ATNbhMIHCJBLHpoRge by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T17:54:00.978518Z
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@caekislove Copyright is imorral.@mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff
(DIR) Post #ATNbi7lIiDKEVSkmx6 by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:54:36.872811Z
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@TheEternalAnglo @mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff He looks like he rarely bathes too. Just an all around nasty fellow.
(DIR) Post #ATNbiXRLF2oC95cDS4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:54:40.427360Z
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> However, handing out great literature for free from the get-go makes it harder for it to gain ground.How long was the illiad under copyright? How about the aenaead or the volüspa?
(DIR) Post #ATNbmn8goYkjzgv320 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:55:03Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove Speaking from the metal experience...Your early works are unlikely to make any profit. Venues do not care if you are copyrighted, only that you are signed which is a proxy for "will bring in audience."Once you have done three albums, you have probably exhausted yourself, creatively. Having residuals coming in already lets you take a break if you can live cheaply.If you hit the real jackpot, and become an important band, you retire on those.
(DIR) Post #ATNboQYjjkbIXism9Y by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2023-03-07T17:55:45.878963Z
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@TheEternalAnglo @caekislove @mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff Love it. Can only imagine what icy takes he's had the last few years
(DIR) Post #ATNbpGJHKT8J2q3AHI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:55:54.115235Z
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Did he leave his account logged in or did she make him type that as some kind of humiliation thing?
(DIR) Post #ATNbrrhHIOzfZtW6XQ by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T17:56:13.841469Z
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@amerika The problem is most people who podcast probably shouldn't. Just like Youtube.@moshguy @adam
(DIR) Post #ATNbsKj3Mse3bnZQpc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:56:04Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Abolishing copyright would mean even fewer works of quality and lots of imitators. The market would become oriented around pushing out novelty before others have a chance to copy it. This is another form of disastrous competition or over-intense competition, which happens in troubled industries.
(DIR) Post #ATNbt0dVXtAHalIb1E by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:56:23Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Do you have any particular cases in mind?
(DIR) Post #ATNbx2tn4ijdleq86i by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:57:19.036724Z
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@Eiregoat @amerika @mar77i @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff That sounds like nerd shit. How can you make that into a film and toy franchise???? WHERE ARE THE FUNKO POPS??????
(DIR) Post #ATNbyjbJnNLeUm0MOO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:57:03Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy So what are the new literary classics? After the 1960s, American literature seemed to pause anyway.
(DIR) Post #ATNbzT4cjGWnWh3tom by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:57:27Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy If good art does not gain ground, it will be forgotten in a sea of bad art.
(DIR) Post #ATNc1GApf4Rs65ovPE by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T17:58:04Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @mar77i @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Back when those were new, books were passed on by oral history, so there was an analogue for copyright.In the modern era? New translations are still under copyright.
(DIR) Post #ATNc1QXX7WY6FOWCB6 by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T17:57:56.837751Z
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@jeffcliff >Podcasts are not just a replacement for radio. They are a replacement for video games, music(including CDs, vinyl, 8 tracks, etc), and movies.No, podcasts are not a replacement for anything, they are competition for the other things. In no way does everything have to replace something. There are a lot of great podcasts out there, and listening to them doesn't mean people will stop using the other forms of media.@adam @amerika @moshguy
(DIR) Post #ATNc2y0YAlCuKtpD60 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T17:58:22.317469Z
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But copyright doesn't ensure the best creators get to build on successful works, they ensure the richest jews do.At least if anyone could try their hand at exploring interesting new ground the best creators would have the same chance everyone else does.
(DIR) Post #ATNc4WM9x1XB9ifp6e by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T17:58:40.009026Z
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@amerika @jeffcliff @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy
(DIR) Post #ATNcAbCGrodBuDwkXA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T17:59:45.481713Z
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>Venues do not care if you are copyrighted, only that you are signed which is a proxy for "will bring in audience."Later in my career I ran into this very thing; the venues totally acknowledged we'd bring in an audience, but wouldn't let us play anyway.
(DIR) Post #ATNcCoUmOVq5jIexu4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T18:00:09.428330Z
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What was the analogue? Bards freely memorised poems and performed copies of them without paying anything to the originator (other than giving credit). It was pretty close to an intellectual free market.
(DIR) Post #ATNcFX9hJwOOor610S by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T18:00:30.301975Z
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@jeffcliff Speaking for myself, I seldom listen to a podcast when I would have otherwise had other audio. The closest to competition is audiobooks, and if I have an audiobook going, I fall behind on podcasts because I prefer audiobooks most of the time. But I see both in the category of "spoken audio" which I have always used differently from music. @adam @amerika @moshguy
(DIR) Post #ATNcMrGSxBZ7DJkpaS by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T18:01:49.119696Z
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@jeffcliff Recreational multitasking is a mistake. Enjoy what you're doing, or throw on some audio of choice when doing a task that does not require audio, such as emptying the dishwasher or fixing the shed.Slow down and enjoy what you're doing in your free time.@adam @amerika @moshguy
(DIR) Post #ATNcP1NsIh71B6Fdjs by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T18:02:21.855703Z
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no it wouldn't> Abolishing copyright would mean even fewer works of quality and lots of imitatorsthere would be lots and lots of imitatorsand some would be high quality, as imitation cleared the way for deeper thought through workslike 99.99% of the stuff shared on the internet is shallow, but the relative-copyright-free internet has also allowed for stuff that simply wouldn't have existed if copyright got in the way
(DIR) Post #ATNcRYCdFiPDXhCNVo by TheEternalAnglo@poa.st
2023-03-07T18:02:50.212757Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @mar77i @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff I like to think she forced him to type that word-for-word and post it, but she did it herself.
(DIR) Post #ATNcnj9fDI23sfNvHc by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T18:06:36.939903Z
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@jeffcliff Podcasting is a format of delivery, just like radio. Radio isn't very relevant anymore to most people for the same reason nobody watches broadcast television live. It's been outmoded. But you could throw the content on a radio station and broadcast it without making the content itself better or worse. you could podcast a radio show and it wouldn't make that better or worse either. I bet Dr Demento could have had a JRE-level base if he'd had podcasting available to him at the time and a reasonable licensing fee scheme.@adam @amerika @moshguy
(DIR) Post #ATNd6LQZefFHnIAirA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T18:10:09.336040Z
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there was a flourish of activity in the 1970s, as the boomers came into their own We might not remember it, though because it's copyright restricted, though: I've made a point to try to dig up stuff from 1971 but the whole of the 1970s was filled with books that resonated with the literate world, which was probably near the peak of its depth that it ever attained.Unfortunately, a lot of the pages are likely going to turn to dust before the first pages reach the public domain, and are discovered by a generation of readers capable of experiencing it as an artefact of an actual free culture.Right now I'm reading Mary Higgins Clark's first big hit. At one point she was a household name, for her literature. Maybe she's not to your taste(and that's fine). She was part of a generation of writers who spoke to millions of people, though. There is little to no remix culture that took her work and spun it off, though: that's a missing chapter in our culture, a hole left by copyright. She's more likely to be forgotten than an inspiration to the next generation *after* the first generation to get her work into the public domain.
(DIR) Post #ATNdE2eDMWa7rjDqqG by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T18:11:24.297070Z
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@Eiregoat Out of necessity I compromise and say I support a very limited term of copyright, but the artificial scarcity and lack of availability of most media, as well as hoarding and hiding works that weren't convenient, is far more immoral than any level of piracy to acquire such media. I don't engage in piracy myself but I think it's shameful that we allow the law to "protect" creations past their viability. For example, I think if someone wants to do whatever they want with Windows 95, Microsoft should have absolutely no say because they actively want to suppress it and want it to disappear. To me, that's immoral. Same goes for any shareware game for DOS, or even a commercial title that does not run on modern systems. Atari cartridges, out of print records that haven't been produced since 1973, a bombed film that barely saw VHS in 1990 - there is no reason these things should have any copyright protection at all. Copyright in most cases serves to only make sure data disappears over time.@caekislove @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff
(DIR) Post #ATNdQVtsQZPg49Um4e by Impaler@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T18:13:50.563016Z
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Heathcliff was a Gypsy not Irish….
(DIR) Post #ATNdhkQPg61g2Kvq40 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T18:16:57.595796Z
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if good art is not allowed to be shared, bad art will win
(DIR) Post #ATNdlNjfyi7qpEftpI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T18:17:35.974024Z
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Right. The only reason we have a lot of media at all is because of piracy.I'd be fine with limited copyright terms. Like 1 year or 5 years. I'm a patient man. And honestly if a work hasn't made it's money back in that time it probably never will.The ridiculously long copyright terms megacorps push for aren't about recouping investment, they're about controlling markets.
(DIR) Post #ATNdmNoRB6m1LxNZr6 by TheEternalAnglo@poa.st
2023-03-07T18:17:48.382399Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @caekislove @mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff He hasn't evolved past fellating Barry Goldwater's corpse and stealing /pol/ memes to push super-Jewish conservatism.He seems to be especially hung up on "Commie Anglos run Hollywood" and "The Nazis and Fascists were homosexual supremacists."
(DIR) Post #ATNdxB8mdFYZEn2lwu by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T18:19:42.564837Z
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Many of his takes are factually correct, he just doesn't go far enough. For example he correctly identified that ZOG wasn't afraid of Trump, it was afraid of Whites waking up too early and reasserting themselves.But then he went on to conclude that vooting is an effective strategy and we just need to do it harder next time.
(DIR) Post #ATNe1SmIzxd366ZZqK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T18:20:30.189558Z
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> , and listening to them doesn't mean people will stop using the other forms of media.will people stop using other forms of media outright?nopeople still listen to AM radio people still listen to wax cylindersbut over time, podcasts are competing with AM radio, wax cylinders and other things more and more. And this means, gradually, replacing time spent listening to AM radio, 8 tracks and whatever with podcasts. Maybe there will be a zenith but I don't think we're there yet
(DIR) Post #ATNe2w2lfvrs9VyVdY by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-03-07T18:20:35Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguymy only disagreement might be that mega corps would then just rework and expand on every artistic idea anybody ever has from now on. we'd never know the name of another independent creator. maybe.
(DIR) Post #ATNeJFNdYAHOl0Vx1k by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T18:23:43.796520Z
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>Podcasting is a format of delivery, just like radio. Radio isn't very relevant anymore to most people for the same reason nobody watches broadcast television liveyou are disconnected from what billions of people live liketelevision is still HUGEradio is still very bigpodcasting and other media are eating millions of hours more per year or morebut until a few years ago TV was still used by more people than it wasn't...and while it's use is dropping rapidly, it's still the major preoccupation of many, many people and many, many, many hoursDr Demento probably could make a go of it, nowadays -- from what I understand he put a lot of work into his stuff and that's still part of the secret of success.
(DIR) Post #ATNeggTCzr5FR3IPwG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T18:27:58.152192Z
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which they are giong to do anyway...and then copyright all of it. Don't forget that part.
(DIR) Post #ATNexj2qg136LO5n6G by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T18:30:51.795396Z
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@jeffcliff @adam @amerika @moshguy
(DIR) Post #ATNf7Dj1yeAc6ULmU4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T18:32:45.066195Z
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Let's take two scenarios...Copyright exists:- Disney makes a star wars sequel- It's woke and meaningless- Everyone hates it and complains about it- Blackpills all aroundNo copyright:- Disney makes a star wars sequel- So do a bunch of small studios and fan groups- Everyone hates the disney version, but some of the underground studios are pretty good- People give them their money instead- They just ignore the crappy "official" version and the indie movies get built on insteadIt's kinda like a blockchain come to think of it. The more popular narratives get build on more and gradually become fleshed out, naturally becoming canon.
(DIR) Post #ATNfGmhnI8WzCNKfNw by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T18:34:25.876294Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @wjmaggos @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff We should have like 20 years copyright max
(DIR) Post #ATNfNYf9tpynfpKUaW by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T18:35:41.942953Z
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> It's kinda like a blockchain come to think of it.I know this is calling the kettle black but, sir, respectfully, you need to walk away from the screen for a little bit
(DIR) Post #ATNfuYbh80uF3ZRcFE by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-03-07T18:41:24Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliffI think this is correct and much better for culture, especially as distribution flattens out (media decentralizes) and special effects get cheaper.
(DIR) Post #ATNgKvfnzUgO7mwU9A by WaughheadRex@cawfee.club
2023-03-07T18:46:26.800699Z
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@Leyonhjelm @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff two interests public and private. it isn't in the public interest to have countless cultural artifacts evaporate. the most protected properties tend to be the most banal; comic strips, sheet music and song lyrics. our legal system is needlessly burdened protecting mickey mouse cartoons and the looted remains of defunct companies bought up by holding companies. the original creator sees none of this value, having long moved on. copyright protection could be modified to cost it's holders more and be less transferable.
(DIR) Post #ATNgpJYrjwZUtqBXtY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T18:51:56.183315Z
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That's not a bad idea actually. Suppose after five years they have to actively register the word for protection, and it costs more and more each year. Eventually the compounding cost catches up with the meagre profits and they have to let it go.
(DIR) Post #ATNhboR2Fu0yYKeFfM by mar77i@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T19:00:42.121282Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy I don't see your point, it feels like you're only repeating yourself and not making any good arguments. Protecting the generation of value by copyrighting works for the creator is good for getting more people to generate more value with more copyrighted works. We know that used to be true, and it no longer is, apparently, because there are fewer copyrighted works being created. Yes, people have become very complacent and lazy, but also, I see the point with incentivizing it made people want to pursuit it more. Why should a photographer go out risk his life on top of a mountain to take a once-in-a-lifetime shot if he then has to give it up for free?
(DIR) Post #ATNhq83K7AgJRwNqzY by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2023-03-07T19:02:50.914957Z
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@Eiregoat Trademark entanglement is an issue even if people let things lapse. especially when it comes to stuff like old Mickey cartoons. @WaughheadRex @caekislove @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff
(DIR) Post #ATNhwUDCdigxug2J5k by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:04:26.087779Z
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> Protecting the generation of valueIt is a protection racket. The 'generation of value' isn't protected by copyright, only *past* generation of value> is good for getting more people to generate more valueNo it isn't. It interferes with it.>because there are fewer copyrighted works being created. Completely bs.There's more copyrighted material being created now than ever in human history. By a large margin.>, people have become very complacent and lazy, People have been saying this about literally every generation going as far back as we have written records.>. Why should a photographer go out risk his life on top of a mountain to take a once-in-a-lifetime shot if he then has to give it up for free?People do things for a lot of reasons. Why go up the mountain in the first place? Answer that question and you have your answer.(hint: because it's hard)
(DIR) Post #ATNiJpcPDVdMxrxMlk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T19:08:39.002855Z
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But copyright protection is typically an inaccessible system for creators. IP lawsuits are extremely expensive by their very nature, it's not something that really can be changed. In practice only large established organisations can benefit from such a system on average. They'll lose some cases but most of the time they'll win. This disadvantages creators.
(DIR) Post #ATNjTZXZwshFwxuJma by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:21:22Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @wjmaggos @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff No copyright:Disney does not bother making the Star Wars sequel since it will immediately be pirated and also turned into competing alternate versions.
(DIR) Post #ATNja4K2PsJx9ffh7w by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T19:22:47.652624Z
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It immediately gets pirated even with copyright. How is that any different?
(DIR) Post #ATNjdtvozSMi5UAiQK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:22:58Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Mr Maggos has a good point. Consider legal marijuana: the ideal is that your dealer now has a legit job. The reality is that large companies take over and streamline the process.No copyright = Marvel makes a version of every good movie ever made, and sues anyone who makes a competing version for interference with business. The costs of defending those suits bankrupt them.
(DIR) Post #ATNjjKEYcuzv6tWQHA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:24:02Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @mar77i @adam @moshguy @Shadowbroker2135 @TheEternalAnglo @jeffcliff I don't believe in ZOG.I think the Tammany Hall Establishment (THE) however wanted to rule in perpetuity.Trump broke their model.
(DIR) Post #ATNjjwcdtoqIAb5C5o by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:24:33Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy The $20 for a book is not an impediment. You can get them for free from the library.
(DIR) Post #ATNjoZ98bqluoCUBRw by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-03-07T19:25:19Z
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@amerika @Eiregoat @caekislove @wjmaggos @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff No copyright would make partonage the main method of funding artistic works. Crowd funding makes patronage accessible to far more people.
(DIR) Post #ATNjp5N4nYw2khFlcO by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:25:24.045421Z
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> No copyright = Marvel makes a version of every good movie ever made, and sues anyone who makes a competing version for interference with business.that's not no copyrightno copyright is marvel makes a version of every good movie ever...and then has to compete with the other competing versions and suck it up.
(DIR) Post #ATNjpBF8xy9expaW5Q by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T19:25:31.526949Z
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@amerika @Eiregoat @wjmaggos @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff >If we abolish copyright, Disney will stop making Star Wars sequels Don't threaten me with a good time.
(DIR) Post #ATNjplJeqf9kqFyd7Y by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:25:11Z
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@Impaler @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Very similar genetically, since the Irish have Semitic admixture and the Gypsies are ethnically similar to Pakistanis, basically Arab-Indian mixes.
(DIR) Post #ATNjr81rt4QpZhJ7h2 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T19:25:52.662200Z
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> No copyright = Marvel makes a version of every good movie ever made, and sues anyone who makes a competing version for interference with business. The costs of defending those suits bankrupt them.I think you have things backwards, that's how things work *with* copyright.Without copyright they'd have no grounds to sue.
(DIR) Post #ATNjvf4Oz4QLCvec9g by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:26:38Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy People are still buying copies of books that are not copyrighted, like most of the classics.For this reason, we can see that people having to buy the books is not the impediment here.The impediment is finding the books in a sea of lookalikes.I remember Mary Higgins Clark. I refuse to read her because her last name is Irish, but I know she was quite popular.
(DIR) Post #ATNk0waHIJDeyU5Bjs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:27:26Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy 1970s literature was more mercenary than the current situation.Back then you had television, radio, magazines, newspapers, and the earliest sources of cable television, usually in big cities.Books were more important to the economy, cost more relative to the currency at the time, and earned more for their writers.
(DIR) Post #ATNk2Q39E9NoeNI1s8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:27:54Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Because books were more expensive and rare, people took them more seriously, and there was more focus on finding the best instead of treating literature like a fungible commodity.
(DIR) Post #ATNk4R7OE436XjEgL2 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T19:28:16.572189Z
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No.> since the Irish have Semitic admixtureWe had this debate before. The only "semetic admixture" you could find for the Irish was ancient anatolian farmers from the neolithic. Who:1. Aren't semetic, they're way way before anything recognisably semetic existed2. Were widespread all across europe. Pretty much every european population has admixture from them.
(DIR) Post #ATNkIvp2riXrpAZE3c by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:30:46Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy And how relevant is any of this stuff?I have known some great works given away on the internet, but that is within copyright:https://marshallbrain.com/manna1
(DIR) Post #ATNkL89zxq7AfXPsbA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:31:16Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @mar77i @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff The analogue is that this limits distribution.Unlimited distribution = no one cares about any one thing = no winners = fungible commodity.
(DIR) Post #ATNkNDisFnf4V3j3Mu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:31:40Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove That seems anomalous to me. Nothing in my experience suggests they give half a damn either way, so long as the audience shows up.
(DIR) Post #ATNkOE6QKLL1y3DjgO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:31:50Z
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@caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Will keep an eye out for it.
(DIR) Post #ATNkYLC6obRErFhd5s by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:33:23Z
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@caekislove @mar77i @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff When they did Funko Pops of the guys in Slayer, I almost considered burning this civilization down in spite.Seems someone else got there first and has been burning it down for centuries.
(DIR) Post #ATNkZpnsUqJa5255jk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:33:57Z
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@teknomunk @Eiregoat @caekislove @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Good point. I would rather have patronage in the hands of the most discerning, not the least, but still there is some filter on it.
(DIR) Post #ATNkbRCmvI44MxUsoC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:34:09.395201Z
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> Unlimited distribution = no one cares about any one thingdoesn't follow with creative works or useful works, ie *any* class of thing covered by copyright
(DIR) Post #ATNkew32hsCstZbfFI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:34:30Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @wjmaggos @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Read carefully. Interference with business is not an IP claim.
(DIR) Post #ATNkfB7qeHxneoyDJo by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:34:41Z
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@caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Ideally, we could have stopped them in 1978.
(DIR) Post #ATNkflAwcFpZSqhC8u by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:34:59Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Same difference. They can still sue for interference.
(DIR) Post #ATNkhYTumbxYfpQPce by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:35:21.457077Z
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i find it interesting that, in this case, you're pro-filterbut elsewhere, you accuse the problem at the root of leftism is that they are pro-filter
(DIR) Post #ATNkj6NsDgAW6tKwXA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:35:38.411198Z
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there's no such thing as a "IP claim"
(DIR) Post #ATNkkdu553NYMI8VQO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:35:53Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @Impaler @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Not true. If you look at the range of stuff posted and sources, you can see the distinct wave that came through Iberia and gives the Irish their Semitic appearance today.("Semites" is a larger group than Jews, being basically Eurasians with some North African admixture.)
(DIR) Post #ATNknAQP8bvXniSWSu by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:36:22.525641Z
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the year that they changed the copyright act in the US to change from 'opt in' to 'default and you can't even really opt out'? yeah
(DIR) Post #ATNkoGApFXrzv5h2ci by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:36:34.345516Z
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then that's a de facto copyright
(DIR) Post #ATNkprsWY8eH9Htpyq by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:36:49Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Might be a difference with Canadian law or terminology falsehood. Try: "a claim under IP law."That is, you need some legal basis for a suit. You can sue under IP or tort, as well as some other areas and statutory creations.
(DIR) Post #ATNktRFtTXeljlX7aa by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:37:30.356110Z
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there is no such thing as a "claim under IP law". That isn't a thing.You can sue under copyright or tort
(DIR) Post #ATNkxe7PamxAn2ZX6W by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:37:57Z
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@jeffcliff @teknomunk @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Depends on the filter.The problem with Leftism is that it is unrealistic. Full stop there. Bad results that can be anticipated are immoral and destructive.In this case, I am emphasizing hierarchy.Sequester the money with the best, limit its spread around the rest, and reduce costs.This is why peasants could work a third of the year in medieval times and still have decent lives in most cases.
(DIR) Post #ATNl0ReMPH6QzKJmym by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:38:33Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Copyright is a subset of IP law.https://www.upcounsel.com/intellectual-property-claims
(DIR) Post #ATNl2egutHYC0vZGU4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:39:10.442064Z
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No it isn't. This is a misnomer, pushed from lawyers to intentionally confuse your thinking to benefit them.
(DIR) Post #ATNl4avxpatAwLWybA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:39:12Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Maybe, but all legal systems are based in property rights, and in fairness, it would be disrupting their business.
(DIR) Post #ATNlApNz0oejV1bnrU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:40:09Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy You can opt out at any time. You can assign or disclaim rights, which is how some works enter the public domain upon publication.You're nuts to do that, because someone can re-write your book with every other sentence blaming the Jews and Blacks for all the world's problems, and then publish it under your name.
(DIR) Post #ATNlAzZh87xx6FAIVM by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:40:40.831055Z
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Copyright is not exclusively based in property rights, neither in the US nor in Canada. In canada the public interest is a terminal goal, in the US the progress of the arts & sciences is. Property and benefits to property is a secondary goal
(DIR) Post #ATNlCZAwFkORnqKuWW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:40:56Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy While I like Stallman, this is an ideological opinion piece.
(DIR) Post #ATNlKrlZ176FmHQPyK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:42:27.610559Z
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> You're nuts to do that, because someone can re-write your book with every other sentence blaming the Jews and Blacks for all the world's problems, and then publish it under your name.that would be a different kind of harm, not related to copying - that would be misattribution and would probably be a problem wrt reputation-protecting lawI wouldn't have any problem with someone doing that with my book, mind you - its license is WTPL for a reason.
(DIR) Post #ATNlMpm9OA3kBQdbpA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:42:38Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Yes, because the theory behind the law is that without property-like protection, fewer great things will be produced.Would we have Photoshop without copyright law?
(DIR) Post #ATNlNv4DCXJisqbTmK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:43:01.024732Z
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yes we have gimp
(DIR) Post #ATNlWjdX4Hzg2VKOdU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:44:06Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Only usable twenty years after Photoshop was released.And still: not quite up to par.
(DIR) Post #ATNlY3DTkxsP3RlkPY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:44:49Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Then reputation-protecting law is going to be used to defend characters as well.Imagine that your book was a best-seller. Do you feel the same way?By the way, your publicists, lawyers, editors, cover designers, and promoters still need to get paid in real cash.
(DIR) Post #ATNlbbDlmgpTO3b5PM by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:45:29.367059Z
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it took time for the GNU project to get up off the ground, for people to realize what a trap proprietary software ismany people still don't understand how bad it is to stay with photoshop
(DIR) Post #ATNli9lqF7K0HIf1sm by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:46:40.379522Z
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> Then reputation-protecting law is going to be used to defend characters as well.no it won't, that would make it a de facto copyright> Imagine that your book was a best-seller. Do you feel the same way?100%the only way it'll ever get to be a best seller is if someone else finishes writing it, btw, and that'll only happen if people copy it > By the way, your publicists, lawyers, editors, cover designers, and promoters still need to get paid in real cash.
(DIR) Post #ATNljdNvcgrGPmBENk by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T19:46:31.114783Z
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@amerika @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy In fairness, much of that is because of incompetence on the part of the GIMP devs, the perpetual GEGL rewrite hell, and having to work around software patents. For something much closer to a viable competitor, see Krita.
(DIR) Post #ATNlyAOnfruirOW9Ka by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:49:31Z
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@netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Open Source projects have many such problems.This stems from their volunteer nature.
(DIR) Post #ATNm2ujBMouJhkJZuy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:50:25.190433Z
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software patents do not stem from 'volunteer nature' of free software/open source projectsthey stem from lawyers and their allies in government
(DIR) Post #ATNm5NWNHiZXaKV0hE by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T19:50:07Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Are you criticizing the legal system generally or copyright law (IP law)?
(DIR) Post #ATNm67EvIvwfNWgisi by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:51:00.299814Z
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and incidentally i'd love to be actually writing a book than being in this thread
(DIR) Post #ATNm6lgGwfaanvn840 by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T19:50:19.225399Z
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@amerika @Eiregoat @adam @caekislove @jeffcliff @moshguy @wjmaggos Also because Photoshop is nightmare spaghetti code which makes everyone dealing with it want to personally shoot the devs who made it. https://github.com/gco/xee/blob/master/XeePhotoshopLoader.m#L108
(DIR) Post #ATNm6o9ljyN8TzbiJk by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-03-07T19:51:01Z
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@amerika @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy > publish it under your nameThat would be libel (or something similar, like fraud).Rewriting under your own name would be fine without copyright.Copyright as a legal concept didn't exist until after the printing press was invented and was created as a way to censor works the British crown didn't like. Which I guess it should be no surprised that amerika, being a monarchist, likes the idea. :02_shrug:
(DIR) Post #ATNm7ew7VRwiB0d3tw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:51:17.022759Z
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copyright law
(DIR) Post #ATNmRCAAC9jajFVsQ4 by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-03-07T19:54:42Z
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@amerika @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy For the same reason a hammer, for which copyright doesn't exist for, exists: photo-editing is a useful tool. I doubt it would have the name "Photoshop" and it is unlikely that Adobe would be as large of a group without it.GIMP and Krita also exist and are licensed under a hack to the copyright system to behave more like copyright didn't exist.
(DIR) Post #ATNmV3torRGSG3iDGS by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T19:55:29.068056Z
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@netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff i don't know when it changed but for a very long time they were up front that they didn't care if anybody else liked it or used it, they were developing it to scratch their itches
(DIR) Post #ATNmc6My4jdzwiheEK by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T19:56:22.115787Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy https://www.gordoni.com/software-patents/statements/oracle.statement.html Oracle Corporation, of all interest groups, infamously noted this.
(DIR) Post #ATNmmJ4Pi1v6ETtGgy by maxi@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T19:56:45.558161Z
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@netdoll @amerika @Eiregoat @adam @caekislove @jeffcliff @moshguy @wjmaggos Krita is surprisingly good. Finding out about it spared me the misery of having to continue using GIMP.
(DIR) Post #ATNntH61Xxvs5jWvrM by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:10:40.073874Z
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@maxi @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @caekislove @jeffcliff @moshguy @wjmaggos Yeah most of the KDE suite is pretty good.
(DIR) Post #ATNnxNHqTKJKRx0xY8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:11:49Z
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@maxi @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff As you learn about Krita, keep in mind that it is not intended as a replacement for Photoshop. This means that the other programs may have more features than Krita for image manipulation tasks, such as stitching together photos, while Krita’s tools are most relevant to digital painting, concept art, illustration, and texturing.https://docs.krita.org/en/Interesting.
(DIR) Post #ATNo7iOOr9QOnu0kG8 by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:13:16.818629Z
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@amerika @maxi @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff It absolutely can work as a drop in for Photoshop in my experience but the main programs it's threatening happen to be things like Painter, SAI, and Clip Studio Paint
(DIR) Post #ATNoClFheRRn7ZLieu by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2023-03-07T20:14:36.422793Z
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@Eiregoat @mar77i @caekislove @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff There's a meta point in this too. Yeah if copyright was only advantageous to the little guy it would have been scrapped centuries ago, but beyond that carny-world has too much money and power, and radically liberalizing copyright laws is one way to drain that fetid swamp.
(DIR) Post #ATNoE20sotX7OU1V1k by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:14:47.869536Z
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@ageha @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff dos is a ripoff of cp/m not unix!
(DIR) Post #ATNoEcd4gNTOxMAVYO by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:14:56.871446Z
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> Krita’s tools are most relevant to digital painting, concept art, illustration, and texturing.that used to be 4 things people would use as examples for why photoshop / proprietary software was necessary
(DIR) Post #ATNoIDICpEHbXD7UUC by maxi@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:14:59.782152Z
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@netdoll @amerika @Eiregoat @adam @caekislove @jeffcliff @moshguy @wjmaggos > It absolutely can work as a drop in for PhotoshopThat's my experience too. Obviously it can't run Photoshop plugins, but otherwise it's bordering on drop-in replacement.No idea why the devs are so shy about it and do not want to compare Krita against Photoshop.
(DIR) Post #ATNoIW8yjlBw05wtF2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:15:39.009224Z
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and other programs that nobody remembers because they were terrible and proprietary and krita has successfully dislodged them for awhile now.
(DIR) Post #ATNoJpBxP0hdMmxud6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:15:52Z
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@netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Sort of, not really. They want it protected as a trade secret.https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-that-never-ends-oracle-wins-latest-round-vs-google/
(DIR) Post #ATNoO1E4bMsnqdxH1c by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:16:30Z
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@Moon @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff Humanity needs a good general image editing program. I have not yet seen anything as good as Photoshop for as wide a range of uses.
(DIR) Post #ATNoTLNN70Ovn2qMKm by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:17:02Z
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@teknomunk @jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Photoshop was far from the first image editing program. It was the first to combine a number of features and make them work together however.
(DIR) Post #ATNoWfhM0impgfmE52 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:18:12.274710Z
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needs vs. wantswe could delete every version of photoshop everywhereand the world would go on, mostly as it was before. it might be annoying for some publishing houses but they'd mostly figure gimp out within a few weeks at worst.
(DIR) Post #ATNoZGEX92OdZuWz0i by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:18:09Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy So we can see how if the court system were less geared toward whoever has the most money winning, this would be less of a problem?
(DIR) Post #ATNoa6y353hZ88E4Aq by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:18:24.755845Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @Moon They actually wouldn't because (among other things) last I checked GIMP has no CMYK support
(DIR) Post #ATNoaclOrcb7kAYPtw by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-03-07T20:18:53.040057Z
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@amerika @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff oracle is known for being the most sue happy company in tech among other things. It's why zfs won't be in mainline Linux while the bsds don't care, though unlike java oracle abandoned Solaris.
(DIR) Post #ATNodS0LK1X5FBtJzM by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:19:25.820672Z
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i thought a recent version(like since 2020) added that
(DIR) Post #ATNoeHyi5L7kRBWkfA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:19:11Z
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@netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff He's talking about the PSD format, not the Photoshop code.
(DIR) Post #ATNoesscsvF4t1xuoi by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:19:16.862081Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @Moon That would be massive news if they did.
(DIR) Post #ATNokJ62q9cZdwpNNg by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:20:15.083146Z
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@amerika @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Yes, but the code itself is also nigh-incomprehensible spaghetti which clearly betrays MacApp roots
(DIR) Post #ATNolnHw4bnVZT6Agi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:20:54Z
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@teknomunk @jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Libel requires an untruth. This is simply a revised version of an uncopyrighted work.Fraud? No one is being deprived of any money.The earliest record of the granting of a patent for a person’s creations is in Sybaris, a Greek state, around 500 BCE. https://www.upcounsel.com/intellectual-property-rights-history
(DIR) Post #ATNom62gLXsxjf6l3A by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:20:56.748113Z
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@amerika @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff the photoshop ui became good enough forever in 1998 with photoshop 5, it's certainly improved in many ways since then. however gimp is not remotely as bad as it used to be and it's tolerable to me now even if it still can't match 1998 photoshop
(DIR) Post #ATNomLk7yIYCQkYALo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:21:01.349213Z
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hrm looks like they worked on it but it's not done yet(?)
(DIR) Post #ATNonD0bvkE9dDfZtw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:21:11Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy I bet it will be interesting when you finish it.
(DIR) Post #ATNoqtB7bM6nHqLBwG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:21:52.049560Z
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noartists shouldn't have to touch the court system, ever
(DIR) Post #ATNosoEQxoSwWZo17g by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:21:47.510224Z
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@Moon @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff For me, Photoshop 7 is the platonic ideal.
(DIR) Post #ATNougivqjmpoky0lU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:22:26Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll My point was addressing "incompetence on the part of the GIMP devs, the perpetual GEGL rewrite hell, and having to work around software patents"The first two are more the focus.The latter, one wonders how much of it is real, given how widely this software is emulated.
(DIR) Post #ATNozW2R0O307pOJAu by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:23:25.044875Z
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again: you are being mislead. If the history is titled 'intellectual property rights history' then you are being mislead Sybaris did not have an 'intellectual property' law. That is an anachronism to the worst degree. That article is worse than garbage.
(DIR) Post #ATNp65yIJrA7J8alMm by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:24:36.963446Z
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is it even legal to use 1998 photoshop anymore?i know they cancelled all their licenses and are forcing people into using always on surveillance devices in order to have the privilege of being adobe's victim now.
(DIR) Post #ATNp6DsCwN2xoZo0zQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:24:13Z
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@netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @jeffcliff Has the source code leaked?
(DIR) Post #ATNp79GdYDSLoqfpTs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:24:46Z
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@Moon @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff I feel like lots of us have not checked in since Photoshop 5 (or even 3.5) except by necessity of keeping up with the times.
(DIR) Post #ATNp7XJe8g7kP8GZVI by mar77i@gleasonator.com
2023-03-07T20:24:52.351256Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy Time to make the planet safer by raising the insurance margin of people who go up in those mountains. Fuckers keep falling over and break a limb or something anyway all the time.I'm pretty sure that we're moving ahead on some wave that some people delude themselves into calling progress that may not be to humanity's benefit at all.
(DIR) Post #ATNp7wba78KCpzqkQi by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:24:30.987980Z
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@amerika @jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy Affinity is the only major vendor I can think which actually tries and comes close, otherwise there haven't been credible proprietary 1:1 Photoshop competitors since the 90s and everyone focuses on the painting niche instead since you're much less likely to step on Adobe's toes that way.
(DIR) Post #ATNpBBSfKrcjmYDxwG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:25:31.906276Z
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software patents are definitely real, and a real problem, inside and outside of graphical editing space
(DIR) Post #ATNpDSju4EBxwqNDsm by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:25:55.084770Z
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@netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff a lot of graphic designers don't know how to even use cmyk anymore, they just live with things printing like shit sometimes and not understanding why. i'm not going to say its a niche feature, it's a critical feature, but it was a bigger deal before you could be a graphic designer and never even touch print work. photoshop can do spot color, gimp cannot do spot color and never will because you can't make an open source implementation of pantone
(DIR) Post #ATNpEY59gk0Ao9pdoG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:26:08.615771Z
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at one point apparently https://www.csoonline.com/article/2134130/stolen-adobe-account-data-goes-public--photoshop-source-code-breached.html#:~:text=In%20an%20update%20on%20the,directly%20impacted%20by%20the%20incident.
(DIR) Post #ATNpMiKZT4zOuUw65Y by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:26:41.996701Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @Moon I'm pretty sure all Photoshops up to 8 (CS) don't have internet activation and still work fine from purchased legal copies. This is certainly true for Photoshop 7 and before. There are also the end of life releases for CS2-CS4 but those are only available to registered Adobe customers and aren't able to be generally purchased.
(DIR) Post #ATNpPR32BKNWB31yiW by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:28:04.503077Z
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@amerika @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff ironically the last photoshop i messed with was CS5 in 2010, same number plus CS, still 13 years obsolete ha.
(DIR) Post #ATNpU84ABPBkkonUNU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:28:55Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @netdoll "a portion" at leastI wonder if they are using any of the original code at this point.
(DIR) Post #ATNpXrzZt5N43mR6RM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-03-07T20:29:36Z
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@netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @Moon @jeffcliff Old win32 software does not work so well on Window 10 and 11, which often require it to be run in compatibility mode.
(DIR) Post #ATNpflF4rrKBRSRszQ by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:30:38.230281Z
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@amerika @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy @Moon @jeffcliff True, however, this is irrelevant if you run it under pre-activation versions of Windows using a VM or you run it under Wine.
(DIR) Post #ATNpl9md3GcT0EiOem by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:32:02.002570Z
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how long is this going to go on?"I am using a pirated copy of photoshop 5 from 150 years ago. It's still better than gimp :blobshrug: "
(DIR) Post #ATNpw3QL2KSMSrU8lU by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:33:35.281501Z
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@jeffcliff @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @Moon As long as it needs to and FOSS devs don't get their heads out of the sand. GIMP will never reach functional equivalence, but that's entirely because of the GIMP devs being incompetents/CADT and not because of some inherent dysfunction in free software.
(DIR) Post #ATNq1M9Mq9MpzV4jUO by netdoll@ryona.agency
2023-03-07T20:34:24.206293Z
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@jeffcliff @Eiregoat @Moon @adam @amerika @caekislove @moshguy @wjmaggos But I do anticipate a cult of people perpetually using and sticking to shrinkwrap 90s software because they really don't make them like they used to.
(DIR) Post #ATNqFTSmRlo0j5t5jE by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:37:28.237703Z
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@ageha @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff it is extremely primitive compared to even old unix.
(DIR) Post #ATNqTOxRzi7Oo7sGqe by craig@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:35:08.847841Z
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@Eiregoat @caekislove @mar77i @adam @amerika @moshguy @jeffcliff FWIW, I would guess Thicke and Williams had more money than the Gaye family, and musically they were in the right, and they still lost. Humans gonna human.
(DIR) Post #ATNqVoOYOHKcHKhWHQ by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T20:40:25.114074Z
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@ageha @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @amerika @moshguy @netdoll @jeffcliff scribus is the right tool for laying out a book, has to have cmyk because it's a print medium. the proprietary version for that would be like pagemaker or indesign, or if you are a greybeard like me, quarkxpress.
(DIR) Post #ATNqmFyxacvQTKZU00 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-07T20:43:26.419443Z
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Krita is pretty good, although I don't personally use it.
(DIR) Post #ATNrb9dovPFtZgxADA by teknomunk@apogee.polaris-1.work
2023-03-07T20:52:28Z
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@amerika @jeffcliff @caekislove @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy I did say "or something similar". I don't know what the exact legal term is, but what you suggested is what I woukd describe as "passing off a work as another person's for the purpose of damaging that person's reputation or to frame them for a criminal act they did nit commit", and using laws besides copyright would be far better to counteract and punish that behavior, because it goes after the actual problem instead of attacking a symptom. Plagerism, fraud, libel, slander, that sort of thing.
(DIR) Post #ATNsKNC7NhBSdlYdKC by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T21:00:44.244461Z
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@ageha scribus supports spot colors but will never include pantone palette. but you can find a copy of the palette somewhere and import it into scribus and i think it works. gimp just doesn't support spot colors. it can do color separation into layers but you have to postprocess it somehow to put it in a form a print shop can use. i've never done it.
(DIR) Post #ATNt9G5TZ5W5MniNUm by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T21:09:49.675560Z
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@ageha yeah. i don't know how easy it is to actually get a pantone palette in the format it needs though. i saw those docs too and they talk about getting a super old version of it from when it was released as a generic palette once. a 2007 pantone palette may not be good enough.
(DIR) Post #ATNtc0GPTZ60gkXGwS by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T21:15:08.600813Z
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@ageha saying gimp will never support pantone was true but misleading and not helpful
(DIR) Post #ATNufvwvYeWuQ8rR8C by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T21:27:04.261732Z
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@ageha it's literally been like 25 years so my memory is rusty but it used to be possible to work in spot colors by defining an RGB value so it looked close on screen. then you would send a file to the print shop. then you could just send them an email and say make spot color 1 be this pantone color, color 2 be this one, etc. the only way this can mess up is if you pick a color that can't be reproduced in a spot color. this is actually how we used to do it because your monitor unless it's high end and carefully calibrated is not going to be super close to the print color (also, there are spot colors that aren't even rgb like metallic or whatever.) what you did was every year you bought a book from pantone that had colors on every page and you picked the code of the color you wanted. you got a new book every year because print fades.there are at least one non-pantone free palettes but i have never seen any place in my life accept them.
(DIR) Post #ATNumslpm8kUaXzAB6 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T21:28:20.295071Z
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@ageha lil trip down memory lane, i enjoy talking about it.
(DIR) Post #ATNyGaKzAnrxyAHZ6e by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T22:07:21.079448Z
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where is the 20$ coming from? no one is saying you can't sell non-copyrighted books.i've bought a good couple of copyleft books and intend on buying more, inshallah
(DIR) Post #ATO1e7RuWxQxBcR20G by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T22:45:13.296852Z
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@Moon @ageha git gud.
(DIR) Post #ATO2HiVKh5tBP9uvg0 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T22:52:22.380874Z
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@jeffcliff @amerika @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy
(DIR) Post #ATO39mD9832cXRBjhg by themilkman@shitposter.club
2023-03-07T23:00:06.982162Z
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@jeffcliff @amerika @netdoll @caekislove @wjmaggos @Eiregoat @adam @moshguy another win for open source