Post ATNMIduZ3nMdNHThom by trickster@mk.toast.cafe
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(DIR) Post #ATNMIcViGhtJ1uqLRY by trickster@mk.toast.cafe
2023-03-06T20:20:53.089Z
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the way games are categorised is dumb
(DIR) Post #ATNMIdFRWgTFJkEriq by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2023-03-06T20:24:30Z
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@trickster what do you mean by this? 😅
(DIR) Post #ATNMIduZ3nMdNHThom by trickster@mk.toast.cafe
2023-03-07T00:55:27.123Z
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@hazelnot@sunbeam.city a lot of things are "JRPGs" but depending on who you ask, Dark Souls, Pokemon, Persona 5, Breath of the Wild, might not be JRPGs
(DIR) Post #ATNMIeRB6XS50QjkeW by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2023-03-07T03:04:52Z
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@trickster there are people who consider Breath of the Wild to be an RPG? 😅
(DIR) Post #ATNMIf0yxQ5knTULSa by trickster@mk.toast.cafe
2023-03-07T13:44:25.533Z
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@hazelnot@sunbeam.city what would preclude it from being an RPG?
(DIR) Post #ATNMIfRDNt4k6plILg by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2023-03-07T13:51:38Z
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@trickster well it... doesn't really have any RPG elements in it 😅There's no XP, no levelling, no skills, no stats that aren't conferred by equipment. It's an action-adventure game, same as the other Zelda games, it's just that it's open-world instead of semi-linear.If BotW is an RPG then pretty much any game ever made could be considered an RPG
(DIR) Post #ATNMIfw3XDkHeUBvQ8 by trickster@mk.toast.cafe
2023-03-07T14:00:06.937Z
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@hazelnot@sunbeam.city obviously my above question is framed as "what is your personal understanding of what the term means", i'm not trying to start a debate, just trying to understand what your personal view isI can give some counter examples, Danganronpa 2 and 3 has xp and levelling, you can even equip abilities to help you during the debates. I game I finished recently, Gnosia, has levels, xp, stats (6 of them!) and special abilities that can only be used if you fulfill a stat requirement. Both of those games are considered to be Visual Novels and not RPGs which, by your metrics (if i undetstood them correctly), they should be.As for "pretty much any game ever made could be considered an RPG", I don't see why that's an issue. Except for poetry, short stories, etc, every other book written is a novel, we just use extra terms on top to explain what the thing is.
(DIR) Post #ATNMIgRFfEhPDEmq2q by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2023-03-07T14:15:13Z
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@trickster ah fair, I didn't get that 😅Gnosia does seem to be considered both an RPG *and* a visual novel though, and I guess I'd say Danganronpa has RPG elements in that case? Although from what I know about Danganronpa it's more similar to Ace Attorney than to other "visual novels", and even though AA is also considere by some a VN I personally see it as an adventure-puzzle game.The issue with the books analogy is that novel isn't a genre, it basically just means "long work of narrative fiction", while "RPG" is one.But yeah it's complicated and I don't really like the term JRPG, for similar reasons to why I don't like terms like J-Pop or J-Rock (at least when used by westerners). It's exoticizing a diverse bunch of genres and subgenres and lumping them all together. Although I will say that what pops into my head when I hear "JRPG" is "menu-centric turn-based RPG", so I wouldn't really consider stuff like Dark Souls one either, I'd call it an action-RPG.
(DIR) Post #ATNMIgxVjIVGpHsbKK by trickster@mk.toast.cafe
2023-03-07T14:25:05.861Z
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@hazelnot@sunbeam.city see, this is where I go "yeah, "game where you play a role" is a very vague concept I agree with you, so maybe it should not be a genre moniker"I notice people that have only played video game RPGs have a very precise definition of what an RPG is, while people that play pen and paper RPGs, or, how we used to call them, RPGs, have a more fluid interpretation of the genre, yes, a choose your own adventure book is an RPG, Pheonix Wright is an RPG, Age of Wonders is an RPG, etc.People play RPGs where you have no levels or stats, or you have them but you can't level them, or where equipment is the only differentiating factor or where you have nothing and the GM decides how hard it is for you to do something based on your backstory and yells a number to beat every time you do something tricky; I think that creates a certain perception that does not make them go "wait a minute, because this mechanic is missing, despite this game giving me the same feeling that, idk, Dungeons and Dragons does, this game is now no longer an RPG!"
(DIR) Post #ATNMIhPA4UcaD2ogQS by trickster@mk.toast.cafe
2023-03-07T14:34:46.269Z
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@hazelnot@sunbeam.city To continue on that, Age of Wonders is an RPG because you get a little avatar of you in the game world that is one of a kind, and if they die the game ends (the fact that they have levels and stats and can get more abilities is, imo, competely irrelevant), while Heroes of Might and Magic, does not give you a little avatar that's you so it's not an RPG.Danganronpa 1 is an RPG, in my view, because you're playing the role of a detective. And despite the game being linear and literally not letting you continue if you don't make the right choice, I don't think that detracts at all from it being a role-playing game.I see people going "well it's not an RPG because I can't do what I want". But I wanna push back on this. Kiryu Kazuma, the main protagonist from the Yakuza series can only attack people after "entering combat" (unlike a game like Grand Theft Auto). This is despite "the bad guys" just walking around the city as normal. The game director said they did this because Kiryu would never just walk up to a random person and punch them. They would not let the player play their role poorly. Moreover, I see players going "wow this building is exploding but the game makers put all these rewards everywhere so I'm just running around collecting trinkets instead of getting the fuck out, lmao". And there, dare I say, (while the game designer should not have done that) the player is playing the game poorly. They are not playing the role they should be playing (yes, like in a theater play) and they remark that indeed, the moment they stop doing that, the game kinda sucks.
(DIR) Post #ATNMIhxtzKPVwn4QZk by hazelnot@sunbeam.city
2023-03-07T14:17:25Z
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@trickster like there are a bunch of western-made games that fit the "JRPG" mold better than some actual Japanese RPGs, so yeah the term is kinda pointless even if it *wasn't* racializing lol