Post ASqQApPZjFTm6BZtWC by espectalll@mstdn.io
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 (DIR) Post #ASqNvqc2mUNlZW8g76 by bugaevc@floss.social
       2023-02-19T17:11:18Z
       
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       "retiring a Fedora package in favor of an upstream binary of whatever kind (Flatpak, Snap, AppImage, RPM, binary tarball, whatever) is a major disservice to Fedora users and defeats the whole point of having a distribution to begin with"https://lwn.net/Articles/922387/
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqQApPZjFTm6BZtWC by espectalll@mstdn.io
       2023-02-19T17:39:40Z
       
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       @bugaevc It's weird. To many, the point of a distro is to have a working and reliable system, not a curated app repo. Distros will exist as usual regardless. There is, however, a clear dissonance between app dev and distro packager interests (one wants everyone to have the app work the same everywhere, the other wants apps to live for as long as a distro version does) – so for people who want both, what's the right tradeoff?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqTH6LA06CICcCCBc by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
       2023-02-19T18:14:11Z
       
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       this is a blatant violation of distribution principles in whole. this sick practice should be stopped.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqUj5B80u7If5PSbo by bonifartius@freespeechextremist.com
       2023-02-19T18:30:53.727077Z
       
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       @espectalll @bugaevc there is no tradeoff, the only thing this will lead to is even more software which only builds on the devs bespoke setup.containers should burn. the only thing where "container" technology is useful is for providing clean state for package builds.i hate this modern garbage, everything is working like it did 2006, only worse and more baroque (and my 2006 comparison is with suse, you can't get more baroque!).
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqVOHrdklfFsWwTSK by migratory@jorts.horse
       2023-02-19T18:13:01Z
       
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       @espectalll @bugaevc the whole notion of "apps" is fucked. what is an "app", in a world where you respect users? a package with executables that happens to be a leaf in the dependency tree?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqVOIoUDyjgp2TTBA by migratory@jorts.horse
       2023-02-19T18:15:12Z
       
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       @espectalll @bugaevc the right move re: versioning is to blow away the notion of a version of a distro and adopt rolling releases where incompatible software versions are kept available and working as long as the community needs them, and to rely on distro packagers to make packages work right, rather than letting upstream do whatever it thinks is justified to impose a "user experience". upstream developers don't have time or expertise to know how to integrate into every distro, nor should they
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqflmnXuHUM1Ks3fM by aurisc4@floss.social
       2023-02-19T18:58:04Z
       
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       @bugaevc the author of the qoute seems to have NIH syndrome. The purpose of distro is to provide a combination of software that works together. End user needs for things to work. If they, the source doesn't matter. If flathub ships sooner than distro, the user benefits from the change.The reason why distro packages exist is because historically there were problems with compatibility.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqflnSfRONk4s6tlI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2023-02-19T20:34:08.812883Z
       
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       @aurisc4 @bugaevc Depends on what you want from a distro.At least for me the curation side is very important and while external repos can be useful as well, they aren't a substitute to the distro.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqhPDyetABvYzREcS by bugaevc@floss.social
       2023-02-19T20:09:14Z
       
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       @espectalll also it's the app working like *you* wanted and designed it, and not in whichever weird way the distro decided to break it (see stopthemingmy.app). And also timely updates: you'd a new version of your app to be available to users immediately when you release it, without having to wait while Debian Stable gets to it.But that being said, I very much empathize with the distro's side of this. In my ideal world, distros don't break apps and update them swiftly :)
       
 (DIR) Post #ASqhPFoo2lUzH0qOXY by bugaevc@floss.social
       2023-02-19T20:11:53Z
       
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       @espectalll off-topic: perhaps consider s/UNMOVED/un-moved/? My eyes just see "MOVED" every time.