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(DIR) Post #ASk5qYvO9YKJ8sl39U by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T16:23:48Z
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#GeorgiaInvestigation #FunReadingLegalDocumentsHere it is: The released portion of the Fulton County special grand jury report: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23683224-2022-ex-000024-ex-parte-order-of-the-judge-1?responsive=1&title=1It's short. Shall we read it together?Exhibit A appears to be the introduction. 75 witnesses testified, mostly under oath. The GJ heard extensive testimony on the subject of alleged election fraud, including from “persons still claiming that such fraud took place.”1/
(DIR) Post #ASk64vFhw5P0Rd6qO0 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T16:26:23Z
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The GJ finds by “unanimous vote” that no widespread fraud took place that could result in the overturning of that election.Now we get section VIII:A majority of the GJ believes that perjury may have been committed bu one or more persons testifying before it. The GJ recommends that the DA seek appropriate indictments for such crimes where the evidence is compelling.I think it's safe to say we can expect charges of perjury.https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23683224-2022-ex-000024-ex-parte-order-of-the-judge-1?responsive=1&title=12/
(DIR) Post #ASk6DI03FGG9JMmAXQ by thetafunction@mathstodon.xyz
2023-02-16T16:27:52Z
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@Teri_Kanefield could it be that the full report is as short as 9 pages? (From the page numbers on the conclusion section)
(DIR) Post #ASk6WsydzM47UqShWq by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T16:31:27Z
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Perjury means someone may have no criminal liability and then lie to a grand jury, and suddenly find themselves charged with a crime.Pro tip: Don't lie to a grand jury. Just don't do it.If a person already has criminal liability and lied, they end up with more charges.There isn't much in the conclusion other than a disclaimers that the grand jurors are not lawyers and may make errors or omit important stuff, but no worries because the DA has discretion in bringing charges.3/
(DIR) Post #ASk6bcrjJnDyyXUKZM by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T16:32:18Z
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Notice that I made up a new hashtag:#FunReadingLegalDocuments 🤓 4/
(DIR) Post #ASk6fAkDoVwGuxfRPU by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T16:32:56Z
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@thetafunction Could be, right?
(DIR) Post #ASk6uVemLReW7TR1SS by thetafunction@mathstodon.xyz
2023-02-16T16:35:41Z
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@Teri_Kanefield that sounds like a very terse report! If I were to extrapolate just from the length, it would be hard to say that it’s recommending conspiracy/fraud/whatever charges against trump, or anyone substantial. Because to do so, wouldn’t they at least have to lay out a bunch of evidence?!
(DIR) Post #ASk75zsuIa0n3TWMKW by somcak@nutmeg.social
2023-02-16T16:37:45Z
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@Teri_Kanefield As a law geek, I ❤️ that hashtag!
(DIR) Post #ASk7j0BH8BRDGeiAfA by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T16:44:50Z
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@thetafunction These are just the excerpts that are ripe for publication. I wrote about that yesterday.
(DIR) Post #ASk7x4FKoQoPvlJj3Q by thetafunction@mathstodon.xyz
2023-02-16T16:47:21Z
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@Teri_Kanefield indeed. But there’s only so much one can cram in to pages 3 - 7. (Unless there’s a bunch of stuff in further appendices.)
(DIR) Post #ASk8P9JnY3r1llnNDs by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T16:52:28Z
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@thetafunction I will address this confusion by adding to the thread.
(DIR) Post #ASk8Ts9IoKYPy48d2e by DrewKadel@social.coop
2023-02-16T16:53:17Z
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@Teri_Kanefield It strikes me that if the lies told by someone without apparent criminal liability are done to protect or coordinate with someone who does have criminal liability the perjury investigation might end up linking them in other ways to those crimes (conspiracy or something else)
(DIR) Post #ASk8VNxA36hAtdBGAS by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T16:53:35Z
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Adding to clear up a natural confusion: This was only the portions of the report that were ripe for publication.This was not the entire report.I wrote about this yesterday. See: https://law-and-politics.online/@Teri_Kanefield/109871891722700407
(DIR) Post #ASk8pV9gyufH1bdNKK by mistersterling@mastodon.scot
2023-02-16T16:57:12Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I'm not a lawyer, but I thought it important to point out how serious this could be. Perjury is not simply denying something under oath. It's telling a false story. Something like, "that phone call was a personal one," or, "so-and-so was calling about a whole different thing." That is not just perjury, but it could lead to a new investigation of a criminal conspiracy. Or, sadly, this could be the last we ever hear of it. Meanwhile, Jack Smith's grand juries hum along.
(DIR) Post #ASk8tRV4VskMqZVtWi by Piousunyn@universeodon.com
2023-02-16T16:57:54Z
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@Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.onlmeaning! So widespread fraud means accountability will be handled with the usual, meh!
(DIR) Post #ASk9ZsrNBGsbrdBM3s by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T17:05:36Z
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@mistersterling I suspect we will see perjury indictments given the fact that in Georgia, the DA works from a special grand jury report.
(DIR) Post #ASkC30NAWjt7TG4I52 by reallywhy@mstdn.social
2023-02-16T17:33:13Z
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@Teri_Kanefield graham please
(DIR) Post #ASkCGmdgNwWsvmMXNw by LexyCameron@mstdn.ca
2023-02-16T17:35:44Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I think it is proper that names not be released until charges laid.Meanwhile, we'll wait with bated breath!#Georgia
(DIR) Post #ASkDh572QKZ9i0CH7g by mattblaze@federate.social
2023-02-16T17:51:41Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Knowing nothing about criminal procedure in GA, what's the legal significance of the GJ's report, given that they weren't formed to issue indictments? I assume the main value is all the testimony that's now on the record and that's available to prosecutors.
(DIR) Post #ASkDhWhTqwl9GqSGAq by mistersterling@mastodon.scot
2023-02-16T17:51:46Z
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@Teri_Kanefield That's brave of them. And Jack Smith will check the names of those indicted. I That's key: who are the witnesses who committed perjury. That's fuel for Jack Smith, and he's probably already all over it.
(DIR) Post #ASkETBoknVO2P7aIGe by DrKen@dmv.community
2023-02-16T18:00:24Z
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@Teri_Kanefield You must be having the best Thursday ever.
(DIR) Post #ASkEykKyVJNiRThe3E by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T18:06:07Z
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@mattblaze I am not an expert either, but from what I can gather, the DA has discretion to do as she pleases, and in the end the public gets to see the full report. So if she goes against the GJ we'll know about it. This is different from the procedures I'm accustomed to, when the GJ actually indicts.I think that's why everyone in GA is trying to dissect the tone of this report.
(DIR) Post #ASkF85Vz8TDijIJ768 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T18:07:49Z
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@mattblaze While the special grand jury doesn't indict, it is an investigative tool. The DA then analyzes what came out of the special grand jury and decides who to indict.It's basically how the DA gets sworn testimony and locks in witnesses. (Glad to see you here on Mastodon)
(DIR) Post #ASkFER2A2dTJCtNrJQ by NatlSecCnslrs@mstdn.social
2023-02-16T17:35:23Z
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@mistersterling @Teri_Kanefield Important to note that Scooter Libby wasn't convicted of outing covert agent Valerie Plame under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, he was convicted of perjury for lying about it. IOW even though they never had to prove that the thing he lied about was actually a crime he could be prosecuted for, he was still convicted for the lie, period.
(DIR) Post #ASkIbL8MRYHbQnthAG by mattblaze@federate.social
2023-02-16T18:46:40Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Got it. I was more asking about the significance of special GJ reports themselves. Are DAs bound or limited by their recommendations, or can they ignore them and use the testimony record to seek whatever indictments they see fit? (E.g., suppose a special GJ says "we don't see any crimes here", but there's testimony giving evidence of a crime.)
(DIR) Post #ASkKNARxZKkU9MQzXU by Cherteapet@c.im
2023-02-16T19:06:29Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I was told I was very good at writing briefs ;-) No, I switched to journalism ..
(DIR) Post #ASkMJawFLL8r3K1bHs by mattblaze@federate.social
2023-02-16T18:48:20Z
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@Teri_Kanefield (Obviously the POLITICAL significance is another question altogether.)
(DIR) Post #ASkMJbRRTM5yc4cVua by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-16T19:28:18Z
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@mattblaze They are not bound or limited (I thought I answered that)I did two posts. She can ignore them and do what she wants, but then she probably has to answer to voters on why she disregarded the recommendations.
(DIR) Post #ASkMlSt8rnPEC5rWM4 by Breathe@mstdn.social
2023-02-16T19:33:19Z
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@Teri_Kanefield isn't perjury one of the least commonly charged crimes? We might not see it actually charged.
(DIR) Post #ASkQU8scP6z925c39c by edBrite@universeodon.com
2023-02-16T20:15:02Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thank you again Teri for the info and insights!
(DIR) Post #ASkU7tj0T94LTZlVwW by wndlb@mas.to
2023-02-16T20:55:50Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Raffensberger is fleeing to Lebanon, you say?
(DIR) Post #ASlAB0yWAKjKuDBo12 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-17T04:47:01Z
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@Breathe I don't know about least common, but it's easier to prove now than in the past because of electronic communication.
(DIR) Post #ASlHdAj0D21avoJ10K by LakeHideout@universeodon.com
2023-02-17T06:10:32Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thank you Ma’am! Finally here & found you but sota lost cuz your site not accepting new…
(DIR) Post #ASqPoZFF9hF7aW89p2 by chrisapplegate@mastodon.social
2023-02-19T17:35:47Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I also think there was no widespread election fraud, but also understand that this world not be the proper forum to decide that in this case. There's are ex parte proceedings. No matter what witnesses are saying, there's no attorney there to argue the other side.
(DIR) Post #ASqklRgysSwmKgSPQG by gabri@tech.lgbt
2023-02-19T21:30:31Z
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@Teri_KanefieldI think I'll use when I finally come around to reading some of Brazil's Supreme Court decisions on #TransRightsAlso, translating that is gonna be fun.#STF_BR