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(DIR) Post #ASVfDCuebqMUQkept2 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T17:19:01Z
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It could be argued that anyone paying for anything on Twitter -- Blue Checks, $1000/mo corporate gold checks, API access, advertising, etc., is now supporting Musk's political agenda and his disgraceful public statements, and that this support may not reflect well on those supporters.
(DIR) Post #ASVfXhPkulqsoyybgW by KeithJChouinard@universeodon.com
2023-02-09T17:22:16Z
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@lauren It's just the truth. No need to argue it.
(DIR) Post #ASVfqKfHilYRlc7okC by nebkor@socialnotwork.net
2023-02-09T17:24:58Z
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@KeithJChouinard @lauren yeah, if you post to twitter, you're a collaborator.
(DIR) Post #ASVfqLKPFsRpp9Meq8 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T17:26:05Z
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@nebkor @KeithJChouinard Not yet. But at some point, as the situation worsens, continued support of the platform in any manner -- including as a free user -- will become increasingly problematic.
(DIR) Post #ASVg6qTJEQPz30OiFE by nebkor@socialnotwork.net
2023-02-09T17:29:04Z
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@lauren @KeithJChouinard I don't know what else would need to change before it's even more immoral to provide value to it than it is now.
(DIR) Post #ASVhoahVKTEWpXScZU by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T17:48:01Z
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@nebkor @KeithJChouinard There just aren't friendly alternatives for many current Twitter users, and especially for persons and orgs who have spent years building up followings, using Twitter for customer support via DMs, etc. Since Mastodon is largely actively hostile to Twitter users who want to migrate, they're mostly stuck for now.
(DIR) Post #ASViS5xp1kRH5KvjVo by clankgy1@infosec.exchange
2023-02-09T17:55:00Z
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@lauren Anybody that pays for anything at #twitter at this point is certainly supporting what seems to be a $40b-ish version of Truth or Parler, which IMO is directly supporting biased communication. I've not been a fan of #tesla since it's inception, and the recent #elon shenanigans have reinforced the optics of trying to out-asshole BMW drivers.I really have mixed feelings about SpaceX though. And I honestlt don't know why.
(DIR) Post #ASVinfDf8wX2VdclKC by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T17:59:17Z
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@clankgy1 SpaceX is the most risky to be dealing with. The U.S. has become too dependent on it for critical missions including DOD, and that's incredibly shortsighted (though, to its credit, the government seems to have finally realized some of the risks and appears to be moving faster to have alternatives available). Starlink will die as soon as Musk gets tired of the expense -- it is not viable in the very long term financially.
(DIR) Post #ASVkCZRnq9IXnlg8PI by Sunny@universeodon.com
2023-02-09T18:14:55Z
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@lauren If only the government new how to get Internet to rural America. I can't stand musk, but he managed to solve the rural Internet problem in less time than Congress has spent talking about it.Sigh.
(DIR) Post #ASVkZ5CUSoWoeXFcLw by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T18:19:02Z
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@Sunny He didn't solve anything. Too expensive for most people who need it, and tomorrow he could decide he's tired of it and shut it down. Depending on Musk is foolish beyond measure.
(DIR) Post #ASVnCWPHRebuEYAPbM by Sunny@universeodon.com
2023-02-09T18:48:11Z
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@lauren The choice is have it, or have nothing. "Having it" is not foolish.So what's too expensive when the choice is nothing? You're saying that's the smarter choice?
(DIR) Post #ASVnT98FEWaMyH7rge by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T18:51:35Z
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@Sunny His actions show that he is on our adversary's side. It's that simple. And the U.S. should move to end any and all relationships with him and his companies and quickly as legally possible and practicable. There are no "middle grounds" in the face of Russian atrocities.
(DIR) Post #ASVpJk8wyFoglx6Fhw by Sunny@universeodon.com
2023-02-09T19:12:07Z
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@lauren Agree on all points. And yeah, I'd support a government takeover of Starlink for National Security reasons, and I wouldn't shed a tear for musk.
(DIR) Post #ASVpOlCwROnfWOMKbg by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T19:13:08Z
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@Sunny Starlink is not financially viable in the long run. That's foundational.
(DIR) Post #ASVpTgpS9HpbO9itTk by Sunny@universeodon.com
2023-02-09T19:13:54Z
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@lauren See? They'd fit in with the US Government perfectly!
(DIR) Post #ASVpvpzjfDu9vMxFGy by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T19:19:01Z
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@Sunny Yeah, probably the only way it could keep going.
(DIR) Post #ASVvY1pYbeyVPKDwZc by clankgy1@infosec.exchange
2023-02-09T20:22:02Z
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@lauren TBH, the only real reason I have mixed feelings about SpaceX is that their reusable boosters and rocket technology is intriguing to me.But that fascination disappears for me with manned missions. NASA already screwed the pooch by ignoring/missing a critical o-ring inspection, and I would imagine the cheaper/faster mentality would lead to more tragedy.
(DIR) Post #ASVvybyOqrGF1z2H9k by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T20:26:55Z
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@clankgy1 Letting fascination with technology (which most of us have here) undermine our concerns about fascism is the road to ruin.
(DIR) Post #ASVwaW0RU9DvWq45bM by nafnlaus@fosstodon.org
2023-02-09T19:14:27Z
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@clankgy1 @lauren If your goal is to avoid products and companies where "rich assholes with objectionable views" own at least an eighth of their stock, good luck with that ;)(I used to work in the auto industry a while back. Detroit's executive culture can be summed up as an even mix of misogyny, racism, and the flaunting of wealth and power on visible luxury)
(DIR) Post #ASVwaWhKufXDfs8LSa by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T20:33:44Z
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@nafnlaus @clankgy1 You're missing the point. None of them -- to my knowledge -- ever twisted their companies into pushing their personal views publicly in such a manner as Musk does (an exception may be Henry Ford in the context of his time). Having racist, fascist views is one thing, using your company to promote them is something else again.
(DIR) Post #ASVwhmgrqsXfIjNKCm by nafnlaus@fosstodon.org
2023-02-09T20:34:50Z
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@lauren @clankgy1 Huh? What "personal views of Musk" has Tesla been expressing? Tesla's "pushed views" are "It is important to transition the world to renewable energy as soon as possible".
(DIR) Post #ASVwstOFHc2PGUxgKu by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T20:36:33Z
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@nafnlaus @clankgy1 This discussion is about Twitter. But all of his companies are connected, yes, since he lies so consistently about so much.
(DIR) Post #ASVwv0rAUg0l08V86a by Hippasus500@federate.social
2023-02-09T20:36:59Z
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@lauren #twittermigrationMusk is following EXACTLY the same playbook as FB after Cambridge Analytics:“One example was shutting down the API, the application programming interface, that enabled third parties to gather data.”Excerpt FromHow to Stand Up to a DictatorMaria Ressa
(DIR) Post #ASVx31FmtwQ2Y7pnLE by nafnlaus@fosstodon.org
2023-02-09T20:38:52Z
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@lauren @clankgy1 Casual Observer was talking about Tesla. And I'll repeat, Tesla's message is about the importance of a transition to renewable energy. It's not at all like Twitter's message, which these days is a bunch of alt-right and Libertarian tripe. Which is itself very different from SpaceX's message, which is about the importance of becoming a spacefaring civilization.
(DIR) Post #ASVxHjYQzNEG03ZZ1U by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-09T20:41:35Z
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@nafnlaus @clankgy1 You can't separate the businesses from Musk's toxicity, especially when government contracts are concerned. There are actually laws about stuff like that.
(DIR) Post #ASWBE5MJNRlvpE3aHg by keithpjolley@discuss.systems
2023-02-09T23:17:44Z
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@lauren "Sure, there are Nazis, et al., using my participation to further their message, but what's that got to do with me?"
(DIR) Post #ASWDI3SgZZ7B0Y3hjc by bigiain@aus.social
2023-02-09T23:40:18Z
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@lauren I have a .au government client that we run a bot for to post public safety related messages to Twitter, which got killed about 7 hours ago. I suspect I will end up advising the client to pay whatever Elon decides to charge to make that start working again, and I’ll die a little (more) inside when I do.