Post ARu9QLAXqC7dPHw3yC by maelduin13@mas.to
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(DIR) Post #ARu9QI0Vb3JNbIDVPU by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-01-21T14:05:01Z
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#Deutschland 🇩🇪 (also known as #Germany 🇩🇪) should send #Ukraine 🇺🇦 tanks, but the #UnitedStates 🇺🇸 needs to offer tanks as well.If #America 🇺🇸 wants to fight a proxy #war against #Russia 🇷🇺, then they need to commit to winning the war as sending #HIMARS is not enough.👉🏾 Germany has stalled on sending tanks to Ukraine. Here's why the Leopard 2 is so important https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/20/europe/germany-leopard-2-tank-ukraine-explainer-intl/index.html
(DIR) Post #ARu9QIdrEkmrZKcvk8 by jesuisatire@social.tchncs.de
2023-01-21T18:06:50Z
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@darnell talking serious:Calling the followup generations of WW1 and WW2 Germany to send tanks to the east is quite "astonishing" to say the least.In the same tröt mentioning the term proxy war makes it even worse.
(DIR) Post #ARu9QJ8LPPAp5stHGK by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-01-21T18:22:42Z
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@jesuisatire I do not think it would be fair for #Germany 🇩🇪 to send tanks to #Urkaine 🇺🇦 without the #UnitedStates 🇺🇸 sending tanks as well (they do not even have to be Abram tanks). Yes, it is a proxy war against #Russia 🇷🇺, the latter who started this silly war by invading Ukraine 🇺🇦 for the third time.I doubt #Putin will stop at Ukraine 🇺🇦, as he probably invade #Moldova 🇲🇩 afterwards in order to formally occupy #Transnistria (a pro Russian region).
(DIR) Post #ARu9QJiVEy64u1o9ce by maelduin13@mas.to
2023-01-22T00:51:35Z
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@darnellIf seems pretty clear that you do support Ukraine, but I would be *really* careful about using the term 'proxy war'.It implies that America has somehow deliberately engineered this situation in order to achieve its aims. I'm sure that's not what you mean, but the term definitely implies it.@jesuisatire
(DIR) Post #ARu9QKDhMz3CSmP4FM by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-01-22T03:01:58Z
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@maelduin13 @jesuisatire Proxy wars do not have to be initiated by a side, but it benefits one side at the expense of the other.#Russia 🇷🇺 & waged a proxy #war against the #UnitedStates 🇺🇸 during the #Vietnam 🇻🇳 war…👉🏾 https://www.history.com/news/vietnam-war-combatants& Korean war.👉🏾 https://www.history.com/news/korean-war-causes-us-involvementProxy wars are frequently used by regional & global powers.
(DIR) Post #ARu9QKhTaGrzx8Kqf2 by maelduin13@mas.to
2023-01-22T14:41:35Z
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@darnell @jesuisatire The key point is that 'proxy war' is a term used by the Kremlin and their apologists to attribute blame to the west for what is happening.America is no more fighting a proxy war than is Poland, Estonia or Finland.The western policy with Ukraine has always been to offer mutually beneficial trade deals and help in fighting corruption. Putin decided to start a war over it because he has no attractive EU equivalent to offer Ukraine and they rejected him./1
(DIR) Post #ARu9QLAXqC7dPHw3yC by maelduin13@mas.to
2023-01-22T14:42:17Z
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@darnell @jesuisatire There is a terrorist state banging on the eastern door of the West and we’re all just trying to defend ourselves without starting WWIII over it. Up until recently the policy of the west toward Russia had been to act in the hope that it would become a democratic reliable trading partner - as exemplified by Obama telling Romney he was stuck in the 80s for saying that Russia was our greatest threat./2
(DIR) Post #ARu9QLhrqImF4dWfuS by maelduin13@mas.to
2023-01-22T14:42:36Z
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@darnell @jesuisatire The safest thing for you to do is not use the term ‘proxy war’ as it has been weaponised by the Kremlin. People will assume that you are on the wrong side if you use it, and it will prevent you from contributing meaningfully to a good faith discussion./3
(DIR) Post #ARu9QM9WBUtYSOSl0a by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-01-22T14:51:56Z
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@maelduin13 @jesuisatire Just because the #Kremlin weaponizes a word does not mean we surrender it too them. That is akin to people being scared of using the ok 👌🏾 symbol because white supremacists used it.👉🏾 https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/18/ok-sign-white-power-symbol-or-just-right-wing-trollThis is silly & puts one in the position of perpetual retreat.
(DIR) Post #ARu9QMWCp92jal4sN6 by raccoon@stereophonic.space
2023-01-22T14:58:47.328924Z
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@darnell @maelduin13 @jesuisatire IIRC the ok sign thing was a troll thing 4chan came up with though.