Post ARtcnL92nezHVMap8a by ck@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #ARpUA4BYLRYFLXgl9s by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-01-20T08:52:26Z
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“The #fediverse is like #email.”Yes.Now read this and understand it:“I have been self-hosting my email since I got my first broadband connection at home in 1999 … But my emails are just not delivered anymore. I might as well not have an email server.Email is now an oligopoly, a service gatekept by a few big companies which does not follow the principles of net neutrality … I lost. We lost. One cannot reliably deploy independent email servers.“https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.htmlVia @cancel
(DIR) Post #ARpUA76LVGAWOGH8xU by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-01-20T08:53:58Z
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Context:#embraceExtendExtinguish #SiliconValley #ventureCapital #vc #BigTech
(DIR) Post #ARqAzVqVSXjbyg3fpw by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-20T16:57:39.790709Z
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@aral @cancel I run my own email idk I left big tech bubble somewhat like 13 years ago and never look back. The technology they say it's to use on terrorist will soon be used against you, we let them become a breakaway civilization time to end it
(DIR) Post #ARqB6wjLtwvjNzFyBk by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-20T16:59:00.397056Z
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@aral @cancel We've already had a glance of it thanks to Snowden
(DIR) Post #ARqBQN3WFUSQXBx4mO by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2023-01-20T17:02:28Z
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@aral @cancel Just don't comply with their demands. Eventually someone is going to have to contact you but can't. If enough independent servers are uncontactable, it will become a problem with the big companies. Eventually, companies will have to cave. @ryo has already made a blogpost about it. (Tor only though)http://asc7ewkcvat2wsoi5yuwkej5ukyrqqnpnzpj4u34r2jxnoxhnbx6yqad.onion/blog/liberate-email-ignore-dkim/
(DIR) Post #ARqGbDSokeAjk2m9ui by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-01-20T18:00:27.426817Z
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@aral @cancel biggest kek, email is easy as shit to host and keep up
(DIR) Post #ARrB7ETq6PXlat64jA by adnan@1210.nl
2023-01-20T08:56:10Z
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@aral @cancel Correct. It is unlikely that individual fediverse servers will continue to be a thing and that would be a terrible shame because there is no fediverse without treating the smallest and/or the slowest (or not always online) servers the same as the biggest & the fastest ones.
(DIR) Post #ARrB7Ez2EQUt9dgzLs by cancel@merveilles.town
2023-01-20T08:58:54Z
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@adnan @aral I don't think this will happen. Fediverse is a PITA but right now, I'm not seeing much motivation for corporate interests to lock out smaller players with the excuse of spam prevention, due to the broadcast nature of most of the stuff on the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #ARrB7FPcdZlSU68DnE by AlexGizis@mstdn.social
2023-01-20T12:18:22Z
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@cancel @adnan @aral i don’t feel that confidence, things just move slowly. This place is like the web in 1994-5. Google didn’t appear until 1999. Bigger the fediverse gets the more it’s worth to try to seize.
(DIR) Post #ARrB7Ft2sBIfxLtiee by iar81b@mstdn.social
2023-01-20T23:22:41Z
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@AlexGizis @cancel @adnan @aral I remember setting up Sendmail about 1994 and it was hard. We gave up freedom for convenience and now there is no way back.I guess there is a lesson here somwhere.
(DIR) Post #ARrB7GMT6mptQbfDW4 by cancel@merveilles.town
2023-01-21T04:30:15Z
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@iar81b @AlexGizis @adnan @aral yeah, make the freedom convenient from the start :)
(DIR) Post #ARrayOs0hYF41Gqs1g by djoerd@idf.social
2023-01-21T09:23:26Z
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@aral Are you sure you, posting such stories, are not helping bigtech to kill email? There's plenty of examples online of people that still self-host email...
(DIR) Post #ARrbblGVN3dmlp4sxk by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-01-21T09:30:31Z
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@djoerd You got me. It was me all along 🤫
(DIR) Post #ARtcnKSVLoxZNQgqpc by deavid@techhub.social
2023-01-22T07:59:51Z
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@aral @cancel two things:1) the nature of email is what creates the problem.2) mastodon and the fediverse are exposed to the same design problem.If the same happens to mastodon, pls don't say "no one saw it coming"
(DIR) Post #ARtcnL92nezHVMap8a by ck@chaos.social
2023-01-22T08:15:05Z
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@deavidTo be fair, email has never been the problem.The few fucking over the many is (so very often) the problem.Mastodon will likely fall victim to the same problem because you cannot fix society through technology. @aral @cancel
(DIR) Post #ARtcnLs46H03kzemJM by SandaBlueDeux@mastodon.online
2023-01-22T08:33:18Z
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@ck @deavid @aral @cancel Capitalism cannot self-regulate. The U.S. missed the point where government could regulate capitalism and now capitalism owns the government. The goal of capitalism was never competition, but monopoly and domination.
(DIR) Post #ARus1SYxi3WF2Irmwy by james@pl.starnix.network
2023-01-22T22:17:26.469455Z
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@dc Yeah but unless you use emailwiz by Luke Smith (like I did) and do some maintenance and get yourself off blocklists like DroneBL, you won't really be able to send emails to big tech, but you can still send emails to your friends that self-host.
(DIR) Post #ARus1T7LeD1akwxFY0 by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-01-22T23:18:38.163916Z
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@james i mean most people dont get on block lists and dkim is easy
(DIR) Post #ARvWxadxouSH3nTnLU by masukomi@connectified.com
2023-01-23T04:29:13Z
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@aral @cancel *14 years ago* i wrote an embeddable mail server, and promptly discovered that it was useless, because SPF authorization meant that mail coming from any local isp was going to blocked.this wasn't because of Google & friends wanting to control things. it was because spammers were co-opting people's personal computers to send mail. Yes, it's an oligopoly, but it's an oligopoly because the spammers made us take up defensive measures that forced us into a corner.
(DIR) Post #ARvWxbBHp16sj94PHk by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2023-01-23T06:57:15.787Z
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@masukomi@connectified.com @aral@mastodon.ar.al @cancel@merveilles.town this wasn't because of Google & friends wanting to control thingsBut it was, the spam was just a convenient excuse. Large entities love using fear as an excuse to do whatever they want to secure their own position.SPF shouldn't affect you if you have your own domain name anyway. And GMail is notorious for being a huge source of spam. Google didn't care about combating spam, it cared about about having an indisputable market position.
(DIR) Post #ARvkhlEc4coEdIy5fU by niclas@angrytoday.com
2023-01-23T09:31:22Z
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@aral I can only agree with the article. Also jumping through the hoops of BigMail, which is nothing more than BigSurveillance, but often find that emails are just disappearing. But since a fari amount of emails are delivered to (say) Gmail, I don't think it is blacklists.I am starting to think it is AI algorithms that no one understands what they do, only see that a lot of the spam is reduced, without knowing how much false positives are filtered out as well.@cancel
(DIR) Post #ARvl4YRZnPl5cgttY0 by niclas@angrytoday.com
2023-01-23T09:35:29Z
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@aral Another observation; I used GMail from its start to about 3 years ago. Spam folder used to hover around 2500 mails, and Spam folder was limited to 30 days, so ~80 spam per day.After I run my own server (again), that has dropped to ~10-20/day.Somehow the spammers don't want to send to my server. I (seriously) wonder why?@cancel