Post AREfwXQMJvfZbPALz6 by mpjgregoire@mamot.fr
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(DIR) Post #AREfwXQMJvfZbPALz6 by mpjgregoire@mamot.fr
2023-01-02T14:41:13Z
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"The seventh great-grandfather of the Oscar-nominated [Benedict Cumberbatch] star bought the Cleland plantation in the north of the island in 1728. It was home to 250 slaves until the abolition of slavery more than 100 years later. The slave plantation is reported to have made the Cumberbatch family a small fortune."Benedict Cumberbatch and his family face prospect of legal action over ancestors' slaveshttps://nationalpost.com/news/world/benedict-cumberbatch-and-his-family-face-prospect-of-legal-action-over-ancestors-slaves#slavery #Barbados#NationalPost
(DIR) Post #AREfwY0W9UapPY5ELQ by SirCandinavian@noagendasocial.com
2023-01-02T14:45:26Z
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@mpjgregoire blame who? dead people?
(DIR) Post #AREg0lBX6FUBRIFDFY by SirCandinavian@noagendasocial.com
2023-01-02T14:46:12Z
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@mpjgregoire 7th great grandfather is Reaching, don't become a statistician
(DIR) Post #AREgA5ASAs3m1KBVoW by mpjgregoire@mamot.fr
2023-01-02T14:46:23Z
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I won't claim to know what the law will say, nor what the moral responsibility of plantation heirs is. Still, the idea that there might be legal liability for offenses committed ten generations ago is daunting. Is there no limit? Shall the descendants of the Anglo-Saxons sue the descendants of the Normans for the Conquest?
(DIR) Post #AREgJwjgNWHklWMm3M by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-02T14:49:39Z
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@mpjgregoire I agree, where does this end, ?perhaps we should sue Italy for the Romans invading the UK.
(DIR) Post #AREgltfLNzX7LufHOK by MauriceLeopold@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-02T14:54:43.992719Z
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@zleap @mpjgregoire It likely is a way of getting some headlines or trying to get a settlement. The people suing for damages are not the ones directly impacted by the acts. Without getting into how the countries handled the repeal of slavery in a legal sense it is not going to go forward. If the law allows people who are impacted by acts done to their ancestors and can sue the current generation then the US government would face plenty of suing. It would actually be worse for the US government as it has remained as one entity.
(DIR) Post #AREhujVGdh7eOVjFRo by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-02T15:07:30Z
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@MauriceLeopold @mpjgregoire Indeed, would it just apply to Slavery Could the govrnment also face huge lawsuits from the indigenous population. What about what happened in South America, with the Incas, Aztecs et al wiped out by Europeans, either through violence or simply spreading disease.I know in the US the Emancipation Proclamation freed the slaves, if I understand my history then this was signed by Abraham LincolnThey money would be far better spent ensuring future generations are able to be taught about what happened, learn, debate and discuss openly and form conclusions.
(DIR) Post #AREiOnjZTS7WCekzWy by MauriceLeopold@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-02T15:12:58.161193Z
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@zleap @mpjgregoire The US government likely would not face much charges due to the treaties that it has signed and how international law is enforced in the country. There are some moves to allow people to sue governments but it likely would run into the problem that the individual themselves are not entitled to anything. That is without us thinking that the US government has made it very hard to sue itself. Learning and education sounds more like the standard benefits of historical education. If a group in society was harmed by the slavery (as it could be assumed that a group has benefited from slavery in the case of the celebrity), then if you wish to lift that group back up then more then historical education may be needed.Comes down to if you want the government or society to try and lift groups of people who fall down up or groups who fell down due to reasons that were bad (slavery etc). The answer to that will determine what sort of actions if any should be done. I do think suing on behalf of ancestors would be a stupid way to achieve anything.
(DIR) Post #AREiYE2Z2MJcOg8PDM by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-02T15:14:38Z
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@MauriceLeopold @mpjgregoire The Uk government have been taken to the ECHR over their Rwanda policy so it is possible to hold governments to accounts with an external entity, if there is no resolution in the supreme court.
(DIR) Post #AREikutZWrkCmgypxg by MauriceLeopold@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-02T15:16:57.972746Z
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@zleap @mpjgregoire That assumes of course that the government allows itself to be taken to trial. My go to example would be China with the South China Sea. US warcrimes would be a more American example of the refusal of allowing foreign powers to rule on US government actions and their employees actions. Perhaps you could find the answer in how the US justifies the constitutionality of extradition treaties?
(DIR) Post #AREirP3OJWSa3YfM4u by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-02T15:18:07Z
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@MauriceLeopold @mpjgregoire Not sure but that seems to be a one way thing, you can be extradited TO the US but US citizens are protected from extradition,
(DIR) Post #AREj8L926Irer7NgeG by MauriceLeopold@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-02T15:21:11.963298Z
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@zleap @mpjgregoire "The Extradition Act 1988 sets out a number of requirements that must be met before Australia can make or accept an extradition request. Those requirements may be supplemented by requirements contained in a multilateral or bilateral treat"I used a quick example I know about. In its example it uses the United States of America. The recent extradition of a American spy to the UK would be my other example. The US like all countries can refuse. However it can and will send it citizens to face trial.(Source)https://www.ag.gov.au/international-relations/international-crime-cooperation-arrangements/extradition#:~:text=International%20extradition,-Australia%20has%20extradition&text=For%20example%2C%20extradition%20is%20used,the%20person%20in%20the%20USA.