Post AR1IbLHdRJa9VQ6bVQ by fvehafric@union.place
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(DIR) Post #AQz4z6E1I3k24wvdtw by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2022-12-26T01:41:16Z
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One of the most influential rap songs of all time (Ether) contained a homophobic slur. The rapper (Nas) took a lot of criticism for this decades later. So he now performs the song without the slur, and re-released the track without it.👍🏿Lizzo released a track with an ableist slur. She took heat for this on Twitter too. She apologized, and re-cut the song without the slur.👍🏿Conversations about what a person said, are valid.You don't get "cancelled" for mis-speaking. It's the doubling down.
(DIR) Post #AQz4z6hRWfHFYCh8lM by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2022-12-26T01:44:27Z
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I really don't care if QTs happen on this site, or don't happen. What's much more informative and important to me, is how this conversation is unfolding, and what is prioritized. I've heard everything from "The Black perspective isn't real" to "You Twitter refugees!" from folks with account create dates in November, talking to Black folk here since 2017🤷🏿‍♂️People are talking about QTs the same way they talk about 4chan and Kiwi farms. I don't know how to explain to people how ridiculous that is.
(DIR) Post #AQz4z77fx8GErYy5eS by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2022-12-26T01:48:47Z
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There are valid reasons to have QTs and to not have them. Safety is a valid concern. But this prioritization of fake civility, is not good at all. This ignoring the Black perspective, is also no good.There are folks more upset at @QasimRashid for sharing how migrants were harmed and put in real danger on Christmas Eve, than they are upset at Abbott for doing the harming. In some folks' eyes, the bigger misstep is Qasim harshing the Christmas vibes. I don't know how to explain that this is bad.
(DIR) Post #AQz4z7ZKIKNYFJuAka by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2022-12-26T01:52:35Z
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@QasimRashid I've told folks for years, that I'm not that concerned about the Nazis, because they're not the problem. Don't focus on the Nazis. Focus on the white folk that you have around you when the Nazis show up.So consider this permission to unfollow. It's cool! Honestly. I don't judge anyone for wanting to ignore all the pain in the world, and not wanting to do anything about it. I post about racism, transphobia, and sexism, and more specifically, actions we can take to reduce them.
(DIR) Post #AQz4z80ceqDHbyfyIS by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2022-12-26T01:59:03Z
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There are literally hundreds of millions of white folk that do want to hear about ways we can reduce all of those bad things. I work with them. We don't need everyone on every issue. It's cool.But don't ask me "What do you mean Mastodon is not welcoming to Black folk?" And then in the very next breath, say, "Yeah, yeah, I'm sure Black folk are mistreated, but I don't want to hear about it! CW that garbage! It's making me sad!" Just be real, and only say the second part.
(DIR) Post #AQz4z8QV6cuguEmddI by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2022-12-26T02:06:42Z
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@QasimRashid "Racism is so bad?! I didn't know!" Is a cop out. It's a crime in two parts. The first part is intentional actions that people take to make sure that they don't know how bad the racism is.Sometimes it's in 3 parts. Party A makes sure that Party B doesn't know how bad the racism is. Then party B can happily enjoy life while party C is brutalized. That's the whole CRT debate, and the Texas board of education in a nutshell.Willfull ignorance is not the same as innocence.
(DIR) Post #AQzEg4Ln2FCGIv7xzs by m0th@husk.site
2022-12-26T03:54:07.815567Z
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@mekkaokereke Race war now.
(DIR) Post #AQzRg7eA4vA9vp4nOy by OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online
2022-12-26T06:24:55Z
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@mekkaokereke "Willfull ignorance is not the same as innocence."People often use "innocent" "ignorant" and "naive" as the same thing. They aren't. IMO "naive" is not knowing, "ignorant" is refusing to know, and "innocent" is not participating. It really grinds my gears when people interchange them.Pedantic rant over, sorry
(DIR) Post #AQzUbY4eh7iiJDymJM by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-26T04:57:30Z
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@mekkaokereke @QasimRashid It seems like my server is filtering out whatever servers these guys are coming from, because it looks like every comment on the thread is in agreement. Let's expose these people so we can deal with them properly. Are they doing it in DMs? https://mastodon.social/@QasimRashid/109575526555491037
(DIR) Post #AQzUbYbyhENJyZZOFc by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-26T05:09:37Z
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@mekkaokereke @QasimRashid This is sincere. I want to identify these folks, I want to challenge them, I want to nail down their perspective, I want to show them how they are wrong.
(DIR) Post #AQzUbZ4Kzn3nOWq2SG by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-26T05:10:06Z
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@mekkaokereke @QasimRashid Oh, and I also want to mute them if they can't figure it out.
(DIR) Post #AQzUfqjdFuYBLLCG6y by dave_cochran@infosec.exchange
2022-12-26T02:54:00Z
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@mekkaokereke I mean, I get what you're saying? But likejust from a strategy perspective, top priority goes to the guy/guys who are actively trying to cause me harm. always. end of story.do bystanders get to share culpability later? absolutely! but RIGHT NOW, the problem is the guy who is trying to punch me in the face, not why my friend/neighbor/coworker/guy i played pinball with that one time isn't trying to punch him first.the discussion absolutely needs to be had, you're entirely correct about that - i just don't think it needs to happen before the "should I aim for the nose or the throat of the guy coming at me right this second" one is all.
(DIR) Post #AQzUfrGxG1Cn0gms3E by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2022-12-26T03:10:23Z
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@dave_cochran My point is they're not bystanders.If fascists are trying to harm Black folk, the problem is that Black folk can't defend themselves without being attacked by the civility crowd. The "bystanders" often use civility to punish the Black folk! This is not neutral. Jemele Hill, Kaepernick, Tiffany Cross.I surround myself with folk that will speak up for me and other marginalized people. Having people around me that don't speak up, is a liability I don't want or need.
(DIR) Post #AQzUfrlRQfakXF3DZQ by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-26T05:06:43Z
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@mekkaokereke @dave_cochran I don't know those people. I don't want to know those people. I avoid those people.By no means do I want to dilute this but I think it's a sad reality of every direct action done for good that they will be demonized by the comfortable. "They're both just as bad" types.I would ask those people if they think it was civility that (FBOW) founded America, that beat the South, that beat the Nazis, or other such things they're proud of. Because no, it didn't.
(DIR) Post #AR1IbKMuqCDCfVZJ68 by KimCrayton1@dair-community.social
2022-12-26T02:11:58Z
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@QasimRashid @mekkaokereke I’ve now started calling it “strategic ignorance” because that’s how it manifests…it’s not just an unwillingness to learn, it’s using ignorance as a strategy to avoid consequences; accountability for harmful behavior
(DIR) Post #AR1IbKs6yDAKEGADiq by jdp23@indieweb.social
2022-12-26T03:41:30Z
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@KimCrayton1 @QasimRashid @mekkaokereke On a similar note I remember Kara Swisher (I think) talking about how she didn't like the term "unconscious bias" because after the first dozen or so times it's been pointed out to a person, just how unconscious is it really?
(DIR) Post #AR1IbLHdRJa9VQ6bVQ by fvehafric@union.place
2022-12-26T03:49:39Z
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@jdp23 @KimCrayton1 @QasimRashid @mekkaokereke I always thought that "unconscious bias" was just a strategy to get white people talking about bias without becoming immediately defensive.
(DIR) Post #AR1IbLlldHgX0sCfTM by fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-26T20:04:32Z
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@fvehafric @jdp23 @KimCrayton1 @QasimRashid @mekkaokereke My particular favorite bit of White ignorance framing is how studies showing that people notice skin colour before other things like gender are used as proof of unconscious bias and racism being so deep and "instinctual" that it can't be helped. This is very fucked up and racist framing because it's not noticing difference that's the problem, people are different and that's a glorious thing to notice and it's essential to seeing someone fully in fact. The racism (or other knds o bigotry) isn't in the noticing of difference, it's in the assigning negative value to someone based on their difference. That's shit you do AFTER you notice the difference.
(DIR) Post #AR1IbMUQxDPjFP6L5s by mathlover@qoto.org
2022-12-27T03:52:34Z
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@fifilamoura Isn't "unconscious bias" one of those things that Robin DiAngelo talks about? IIRC she also says racism can't be fixed.(TBH I honestly can't tell if DiAngelo is mistaken, lying, or both. If anyone has insight into that, please let me know.) @fvehafric @jdp23 @KimCrayton1 @QasimRashid @mekkaokereke
(DIR) Post #AR1Of9hp1gyuTvYWAq by jdp23@indieweb.social
2022-12-27T05:00:30Z
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@mathlover @fifilamoura @fvehafric @KimCrayton1 @QasimRashid @mekkaokereke "The Trouble with White Fragility Discourse" makes some very good points about DiAngelo's approach. https://www.aapf.org/theforum-white-fragility-discourseHere's a good look at the problems of unconscious bias training by Tiffany L. Green and Nao Hagiwara -- it's got links out to some of the body of evidence that @PragmatistProf mentioned.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-implicit-bias-training/
(DIR) Post #AR1OicVAQ7bkewHwnY by mathlover@qoto.org
2022-12-27T05:01:10Z
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@jdp23 Thanks! I will read this! @fifilamoura @fvehafric @KimCrayton1 @QasimRashid @mekkaokereke @PragmatistProf