Post AQpqRSpFbmaaXvlroO by bullivant@mastodon.ie
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(DIR) Post #AQpJSzo5ApradbLbCy by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:04:05Z
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BIG NEWS: Pawoo.net, the world's 2nd biggest Mastodon instance, has just been acquired.The entity acquiring them is the Mask Group, an entity that also runs mstdn.jp and mastodon.cloud. They are also active in the so-called "Web 3.0" space. If you haven't heard of pawoo.net, it's because many instances have de-federated from it.https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mask-network-acquires-pawoo-net-070000858.html
(DIR) Post #AQpJT0TufJK8jKv0PQ by lamp@mastodong.lol
2022-12-21T09:05:43Z
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@atomicpoet huh wtf so the two largest japanese fediverse entities are merging into one now :/
(DIR) Post #AQpKmnTYpV8q8ikpOK by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-12-21T09:20:19.017014Z
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@atomicpoet this is big news only if you've been living under a rock. Pawoo has always been a commercial entity.
(DIR) Post #AQpLriD1wEBLCvvi9Q by epic@gleasonator.com
2022-12-21T09:32:40.698053Z
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@newt @atomicpoet I hope only a fediverse rock, and many of us can admit to that! š
(DIR) Post #AQpM0lRzFyTxrmF4qm by epic@gleasonator.com
2022-12-21T09:34:19.152494Z
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@atomicpoet āMask Groupā is an in-your-face declaration that what you see from them is not what is, whatever they produce. Weāre pretty tired of being treated like idiots.
(DIR) Post #AQpMBnMeTsdSzJ0TUu by mint@ryona.agency
2022-12-21T09:35:47.667790Z
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@atomicpoet Maybe now someone would deal with entities like these.Screenshot_20221115_173315.png
(DIR) Post #AQpMzSSoSm3Ge2ZN4a by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:07:38Z
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Like it or not, it should no longer be assumed that "volunteers" are running your instances. The Mask Group, which now runs three large instances "has raised over US$50 million from private and institutional backers"ātheir words not mine.
(DIR) Post #AQpMzSxIdQREAapiam by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:13:57Z
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There's going to be a massive land grab of all these big instances. There will be lots of merging and acquiring too.My advice is that you all become *very* aware of who owns your instance and why. Get to know your adminsāmake sure their values align with your own.If you don't want to put your social media life in the hands of strangers, then self-host your own instance.
(DIR) Post #AQpMzTR4qiG1ewlV0S by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:21:56Z
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To everyone using mastodon.cloud and mstdn.jp: remember, you're not locked into those instances. If you want, you can migrate elsewhere. This is not Twitterāyou have a choice regarding where your home will be on the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AQpMzU4mT615e5LCtM by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:27:39Z
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A warning: there's going to be a concerted effort to re-centralize the Fediverse.As we've just seen with the acquisition of pawoo.net, that's already happening. What are you going to do to thwart this trend?
(DIR) Post #AQpNTNQ7mL6rgsZuvA by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2022-12-21T09:50:40.921653Z
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@atomicpoet Pawoo was never ran by volunteers. It was founded by Pixiv and sold to a Hentai company. This is just another company in the chain.
(DIR) Post #AQpOJ8CFcpkBX7leJk by paul@notnull.click
2022-12-21T10:00:02.354025Z
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@atomicpoet So my attempt a few months back to thwart this trend was to create a set of containerized set up scripts which let people run their own instances in my codeberg repo :-)https://codeberg.org/pswilde/rebased-podmanhttps://codeberg.org/pswilde/pleroma-podmanhttps://codeberg.org/pswilde/akkoma-podmanI think they've actually come in useful for some people which is great!
(DIR) Post #AQpSIGhCwIZRQ85inQ by yonle@yonle.host.lecturify.net
2022-12-21T10:43:51Z
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@puniko @atomicpoet Let's just hope that pawoo.net could expand more users.Sometime the acquisition is good, but sometime also bad. Let's hope that this one is fine.
(DIR) Post #AQpSIHNOPSJZWxpPY8 by puniko@mk.absturztau.be
2022-12-21T10:44:34.473Z
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@yonle@yonle.host.lecturify.net @atomicpoet@mastodon.social why are you tagging me?
(DIR) Post #AQpTx6Qg7Br9PFOYF6 by kaia@brotka.st
2022-12-21T11:03:17.317251Z
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@atomicpoet I wonder in which country they are registered seeing pawoo serves content deemed illegal in many countries.
(DIR) Post #AQpUhte7SbKbN0zkS8 by AHU4y5aWnraB3XHz0a.mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art
2022-12-21T09:11:00Z
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@atomicpoet It was only a matter of time for the Web3 grift to attach itself here.If they're putting say Monero or Bitcoin payment function into DMs that could be deemed useful. I suspect they'll have their own token which they can use as funny money to raise capital. I guess I'm a wee bit cynical.Let's see what happens...
(DIR) Post #AQpUrgpnwqLaX289RI by rob@openshare.me
2022-12-21T09:33:34Z
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@atomicpoet Does it matter? If the underlying protocols are architected for federation and easy migration then any instances that go bad won't last long.I do see a model like SMTP e-mail becoming a thing where technically anyone can federate, but it becomes increasingly hard for non well-resourced players to provide the necessary abuse management to play effectively.
(DIR) Post #AQpUxfKQScglb9IpXM by fenarinarsa@shelter.moe
2022-12-21T09:49:15Z
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@atomicpoet If they could buy those instances, that's also because they were for sale.Migration is gonna be difficult for Japanese users. Who's going to run a new Japanese instance that could welcome ~1.2 million users? (if there's really 1.2m active users, Pawoo kind of cheated on this)Also they all run on an obsolete version of Mastodon (namely 3.3 or 3.4) so no automatic migration.Pawoo is even a fork that was heavily patched at a time were a lot of features weren't available. They were #1 in creating new features when they were owned by Pixiv.
(DIR) Post #AQpUxigA0GrBzQUjKa by fenarinarsa@shelter.moe
2022-12-21T10:20:46Z
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@atomicpoet And btw, a lot of Japanese people that are aware of Pawoo or even use it don't even know it's a Mastodon server.
(DIR) Post #AQpVFVkCpiTb5Ns2Gu by gisiger@nerdculture.de
2022-12-21T09:30:31Z
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@atomicpoet As much as I agree w/ you, such an effort will fail. We can all vote w/ our feet by walking away to other instances. And if such 're-centralized' instances get blocked, they lose the momentum of network effect fairly fast.
(DIR) Post #AQpVFWF2z398d2IfLM by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:31:54Z
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@gisiger Yes, that's one failsafe mechanism for the Fediverse. However, people need to care enough about de-centralization.
(DIR) Post #AQpVFWeDTTHNt64lZg by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2022-12-21T10:10:04Z
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@atomicpoet @gisiger the general population doesn't care though and likely never will. the option with the biggest marketing budget will get the largest user base
(DIR) Post #AQpVFruaPnqrpwtdVQ by kaukamieli@c.im
2022-12-21T10:55:14Z
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@fenarinarsaStuff often surprisingly becomes for sale when you are offered enough cash.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AQpVGOQbWITcgW7er2 by fenarinarsa@shelter.moe
2022-12-21T10:57:01Z
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@kaukamieli @atomicpoet espescially if you're offered cash for something that is becoming increasingly hard to maintain
(DIR) Post #AQpVGjBQLvoP3WBKbo by jesopo@chaos.social
2022-12-21T10:50:12Z
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@atomicpoet im going to keep posting about cock and balls to bring property prices down
(DIR) Post #AQpaBlAy14crYhQ0XY by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-12-21T12:13:10.416933Z
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@atomicpoet @gisiger "However, people need to care enough about de-centralization."t. user of one the largest and most sanitized instances in existence
(DIR) Post #AQpaEtMM2v0RoCEqDw by miklo@fosstodon.org
2022-12-21T09:26:37Z
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@atomicpoet Also - the larger the #instance, the greater the risk that, for example, due to poor #moderation, we will unwittingly become victims of defederation by other instances. Let's be as close to our admin as possible - preferably be your own admin of your instance.
(DIR) Post #AQpaJVO0bcGWu9DCVc by AHU4y5aWnraB3XHz0a.mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art
2022-12-21T10:09:10Z
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@atomicpoet listen and learn!I have my own instance and the fediverse is one big learning curve. Once I'm sure of the best course I'll take action. It probably takes me a little longer than other folks. My brain can be a little slow.I very rarely see the instance on my timeline but understand this is no reason for complacency.
(DIR) Post #AQpaJVq0vUfQJ0JZA0 by mathias@moc.d-x-b.com
2022-12-21T10:21:42.833468Z
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@mxtthxwI also run my own instances (with me as the only user) and I appreciate my freedom more and more for each day that passes. It took some time to get going before there was an interesting flow of content, and I was āunknownā I didnāt federate with anyone off the bat, but as the following/followers have reached a critical mass I doubt one would notice a difference compared to being on a hosted instance, except that ālocalā is only me.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AQpaclNbMnOU0eCjdw by paul@notnull.click
2022-12-21T12:18:02.625534Z
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@mathias Same here, been self hosting my instance for a while now and once you connect with a few other instances there really doesn't seem to be much difference to being on a large instance (except for the local feed thing of course). Self-hosters unite! (but not too closely because we need to still run our own stuff)@atomicpoet @mxtthxw
(DIR) Post #AQpavH9RykCBlCPdy4 by pch_xyz@seediqbale.xyz
2022-12-21T12:21:23.095Z
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@atomicpoet@mastodon.social I agree the centralization is bad to the fedi, just it is weird to make such an appeal from the biggest fedi instance. Instance running by a company isn't necessarily a bad thing, Pawoo has been run by Pixiv, then Russell before changing-hand to this affiliate of Mask Network, a sponsor of Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AQpbB34I6jBAiPWKhs by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-12-21T12:24:13.344593Z
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It isn't that tough to self-host, and then not only are you participating, you're helping to preserve the decentralization and robustness of the ecosystem. Centralization is what killed big tech, it's too easy to corrupt a single point of failure.The more distributed the fediverse becomes, the less any one provider needs to pay for hosting since instances only need to serve transactions between users that interact somehow. The more distributed the fediverse becomes, the less a loss of one provider damages the ecosystem. The more distributed the fediverse becomes, the more distributed the fediverse becomes, the more points of failure need to be corrupted to kill or take over the ecosystem.
(DIR) Post #AQpbB9uGgOJxvLsvYW by oschonrock@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T11:17:32Z
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@atomicpoet Why did "many instances de-federate from [pawoo.net]"? Didn't like the moderation policies, their business model ?
(DIR) Post #AQpbBAWuMjEHrBxmme by maid@lounge.dtzbts.xyz
2022-12-21T12:24:15.779Z
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@oschonrock@mastodon.social @atomicpoet@mastodon.social its a japanese speaking instance that was started by pixiv mainly for the jp anime/manga artists. From what I can see from block notices, a lot of people from the west hate anime and equate it to child porn somehow. š¤·āāļø
(DIR) Post #AQpdJaQOAmFkOS3VSK by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T10:10:31Z
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Everyone needs to be aware that Mask Group trades a crypto token. This same entity now owns pawoo.net, mstdn.jo, and mastodon.cloud.https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/12/21/encrypted-messaging-protocol-mask-network-acquires-mastodon-server-pawoonet/
(DIR) Post #AQpdSAedM5kj4goOWG by lime_juice_cube@mastodon.au
2022-12-21T09:20:43Z
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@atomicpoet I imagine that as Mastodon now is in the spotlight as a potential Twitter replacement, certain entities will see an opportunity to carve out power, profit, and influence by acquiring instances and centralising power.#mastodon #socialmedia #technology
(DIR) Post #AQpgIUTd6IYNWHjy6q by ivan@vucica.net
2022-12-21T13:21:36.793814Z
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@atomicpoet If you donāt want to put your social media life in the hands of strangers, then self-host your own instance.This is what Iām doing. Iām off the other place for the time being (or permanently) and I self host.But, mind you, the very nature of fediverse means the posts get replicated even to instances where you may have no followers, and post deletes and edits might not work due to software bugs (or intentionally).It is important to know a bad actor that wants to scrape the fediverse for permanent analysis and archival has an easier time than with closed platforms. Heck, if a bad actor hosts a large server, they effectively get a firehose of a large portion of the fediverse, in real-time.In case of the bird site, one needed to trust the entity owning the platform where the account was hosted to abide by the āaccount is privateā flag and ādelete postā option.Here, itāsā¦ more complicated. Not (yet) bad, but complicated. And important to keep in the back of oneās head when posting.
(DIR) Post #AQpgrRetZS9sukg41Y by gigatexal@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T13:27:11Z
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@atomicpoet that sucks. Web 3.0 can go and fuck right off.
(DIR) Post #AQpnJieyYN39Taa372 by l0ngyap@akm.longyap.name.my
2022-12-21T14:40:17.380109Z
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@atomicpoet sound like a bad news
(DIR) Post #AQpqRSpFbmaaXvlroO by bullivant@mastodon.ie
2022-12-21T09:10:03Z
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@atomicpoet What is the perceived revenue stream that justifies such an investment?https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mask-network-acquires-pawoonet-one-of-the-largest-mastodon-instances-301707919.html
(DIR) Post #AQpqRTEQ6CipnzXy2i by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:15:18Z
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@bullivant This is a land grab, pure and simple.
(DIR) Post #AQpqRTeIXzQF6FedNY by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-12-21T09:51:56Z
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@atomicpoet @bullivant They may try to copy what Truth Social is doing & insert ads within peopleās timelines. Even though there are corporate-owned instances, it is particularly jarring that a corporate overlord assimilates instances now.But I think we will see more of this for one reason: Twitter is dying, so companies are trying to ābuy the next Twitterā instead of building one.
(DIR) Post #AQpqRU6Irrp8V6l01w by OpinionatedGeek@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T11:28:31Z
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@darnell @atomicpoet @bullivant I worry a bit about the 'inserting adverts'. It's pretty easy to insert adverts into someone's timeline when you're running the server they use, and maybe that's a fair enough trade off for those users. (I'd hate it.)But we've seen stupid decisions before, and if they're running the server it'd be a small conceptual step for them to insert adverts into remote users timelines by boosting the adverts on behalf of their users. And that'd be nasty.
(DIR) Post #AQpqRUWtH15hpZCETI by john@sauropods.win
2022-12-21T15:15:07Z
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@OpinionatedGeek @darnell @atomicpoet @bullivant Putting ads into the federation would get them de-feded in a lot of places. Silenced in nearly all, probably.I actually don't have much of a problem with ad supported instances (beyond my usual problem with ad tech on the web). It's probably inevitable, if we're honest. Where are the tens (hundreds?) of millions going to come from if the Fediverse really takes off? Volunteers? Can't scale that big. Patreon? Maaaybe.
(DIR) Post #AQpqkF8eijjvbBnnf6 by john@sauropods.win
2022-12-21T15:18:32Z
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@OpinionatedGeek @darnell @atomicpoet @bullivant I'd like to see some subscription instances, attached to custom apps actually. Pay your $1-3 a month, get a nice app, address, and professional moderation. Seems like a fair deal all round.
(DIR) Post #AQpqzSoQAGSiLnayBM by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-12-21T15:21:09Z
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@john @OpinionatedGeek @atomicpoet @bullivant I loathe ads on any platform. It's why I stopped watching television years ago & chose to pay to stream content instead.
(DIR) Post #AQprG0Oh41Vv97RuWe by john@sauropods.win
2022-12-21T15:24:13Z
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@darnell @OpinionatedGeek @atomicpoet @bullivant Oh yeah, me too, and I'm glad I don't have to have them on Mastodon. But realistically, most people just don't seem to mind the tradeoff. Pragmatically, I think we should prevent the excesses of the ad-tech industry with legislation, rather than try to prevent all ads.
(DIR) Post #AQprOiTf3iLWAtvVEu by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-12-21T15:25:40Z
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@john @OpinionatedGeek @atomicpoet @bullivant Some instances already do this. @aurynn & @JohanEmpa charge their members for access which is wise in my honest opinion.
(DIR) Post #AQptUP4ALGm1cMqBN2 by DarlavdRiet@mastodon.nl
2022-12-21T09:24:41Z
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@atomicpoet That āarticleā reads suspiciously like a straight-up copy/paste of a press release.
(DIR) Post #AQptUPXaZsJF5cbgES by AHU4y5aWnraB3XHz0a.mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art
2022-12-21T09:26:34Z
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@DarlavdRiet @atomicpoet is there any other type of article these days?
(DIR) Post #AQpuZRYgbSbqkX5EwK by R4S3C@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T15:49:29Z
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@sj_zero I really like the way you put it. Now Iām curious on how to self-host my own instance.
(DIR) Post #AQpuZSEs4cLyrMovh2 by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-12-21T16:01:31.878774Z
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https://fediverse.express/ is a page with tools to set up an instance from one of several hosting services. If you have hosting that only supports php and mysql, I believe friendica is more or less drop in. You upload it to your host and it'll more or less set itself up.If you want to host using a home server, you can set up dynamic DNS to a GoDaddy hostname using the following link: https://www.instructables.com/Quick-and-Dirty-Dynamic-DNS-Using-GoDaddy/If you're going to sell post at home, just be sure that your internet plan is robust enough. Your server is going to be constantly talking with other servers whether you are presently surfing or not.If you'd like some more specific advice, I've gone through quite a bit of it myself so I'm willing to help however I can.
(DIR) Post #AQpvLBWZWLhMv8rLay by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-12-21T16:10:10.474832Z
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@atomicpoet pawoo has never had volunteers
(DIR) Post #AQpxR8YxdzwDNiwWPY by syneryder@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-12-21T16:12:22Z
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@binarytango @briankrebs @atomicpoet Uhm, someone just pointed out Mask.io are also one of the biggest sponsors of Mastodon itself. They're on the 3rd row of the Mastodon Sponsors page:https://joinmastodon.org/sponsorsThere's also a lot of crypto & online gambling & essay writing companies funding the development of the Mastodon source code.
(DIR) Post #AQpxR91JwYcgngDAcC by mathlover@qoto.org
2022-12-21T16:33:38Z
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@syneryder Interesting.@binarytango @briankrebs @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AQpxgLEKpUkl0pXrgO by mathlover@qoto.org
2022-12-21T16:36:24Z
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@syneryderOn the other hand, why essay-writing companies? @binarytango @briankrebs @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AQpxnp46IoGdZSKF9M by briankrebs@infosec.exchange
2022-12-21T16:37:43Z
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@mathlover @syneryder @binarytango @atomicpoet Yeah, @indigo was right. You guys just gave me homework, sheesh.
(DIR) Post #AQq3yTsk07A0maTfnc by stux@mstdn.social
2022-12-21T17:46:47Z
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@atomicpoet Just checked their site and it's all about web3 bullshit :sad_cat: Not something most of the Fediverse is interested in
(DIR) Post #AQq4BmmZ2bQ7AKvtD6 by zlatiah@mastodon.zlatiah-no.one
2022-12-21T17:49:11Z
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@stux @atomicpoet Now that you mentioned it! When I checked the website (mask.io for the information) Librewolf just straight up blocked it lol. No idea if they used some tracking nonsense on their website...A bit disappointing (esp for the Japanese communities) but I guess... it is what it is?
(DIR) Post #AQq4DqS6Mp6j7wLM5Q by stux@mstdn.social
2022-12-21T17:49:35Z
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@atomicpoet This does make sense though š https://www.coindesk.com/price/mask-network/
(DIR) Post #AQq50oCTWqXuKeNkES by sub_o@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T17:58:29Z
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@stux @atomicpoet The admin is/was Suji Yan / Sujitech LLC (http://sujitech.com) who is a chinese crypto bro residing in JapanThat instance was unmoderated for a long time. That admin was really into crypto, so I assume they have been engaging in pumping and dumping scheme?
(DIR) Post #AQq7j8D0hLrX2OtWwi by rpavlik@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T18:28:56Z
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@mathlover @syneryder @binarytango @briankrebs @atomicpoet These groups (online casinos, essay writing companies, etc) pretty commonly sponsor projects that list their sponsors prominently as a cheap way of advertising, it appears. I've seen projects that have had to establish policies that they would not accept donations or list as sponsors certain categories of companies, etc.
(DIR) Post #AQqCDPOZlNXoqRzsn2 by a@social.exozy.me
2022-12-21T19:19:14Z
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@atomicpoet At first, I thought that said "Musk Group" š
(DIR) Post #AQqKvP6R0mGOJR08hc by WomanCorn@schelling.pt
2022-12-21T20:56:50Z
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@atomicpoet why have people defederated from it?
(DIR) Post #AQqMGSkWkSmNeqMMYS by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T21:11:50Z
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@WomanCorn https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/109552950002579257
(DIR) Post #AQqPq8IkYD0KWj4FP6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-12-21T21:51:00Z
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@atomicpoet> the world's 2nd biggest Mastodon instance, has just been acquired.This reminds me of the TV series Startup, in which a group comprising a technologist, a grifter, and a gangster get VC funding for a crypto project. Then later when the VCs pull the rug out from under them, they try again with a decentralized social network. Spoilers; it ends badly for everyone involved. Keep in mind though that Mask Network has owned two big Mastodon servers for a while. @smallcircles
(DIR) Post #AQqSx9T8uKtq2Oy1XU by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T18:23:37Z
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@pch_xyz I run several instances myself. However, this specific account is used for a purpose.
(DIR) Post #AQrjSCv3vExg8logvg by js@mstdn.io
2022-12-22T13:06:14Z
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@atomicpoet @uliwitness I first read this as āMusk Groupā, and honestly, that wouldnāt surprise me either anymore at this point.
(DIR) Post #AQs6WFr7FEo9Lqrymu by seb@hachyderm.io
2022-12-21T10:34:09Z
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@atomicpoet Its frustrating that itās a crypto entity, but ācorporateā Mastodon instances are a positive signal IMO.
(DIR) Post #AQs6WGLxOZTgtVIbrM by muppeth@fe.disroot.org
2022-12-22T17:24:48.557291Z
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@seb> @atomicpoet Its frustrating that itās a crypto entity, but ācorporateā Mastodon instances are a positive signal IMOIts actually not. If we learned anything from xmpp back in the days is that when corporations start getting around soon after they will shred the whole.network and setup their walled gardens. Dont be fooled with this. Sure at first it looks awesome and gives you recognition feeling but thatbjust short term dopamine boost. Next thing you know your network is reduced to few big ones and you have to start building.up from.scratch.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AQs6WILJzu9r47189A by seb@hachyderm.io
2022-12-21T11:07:43Z
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@atomicpoet But also: āOh the different instances arenāt complicated at all, just pick one that looks right!ā š¤Ŗ
(DIR) Post #AQsh385uicwLBblaJU by matthew@social.retroedge.tech
2022-12-23T00:12:31.254093Z
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Read and post from my own #selfhosted #fediverse instance.
(DIR) Post #AQsyehAsx8PDv9afU8 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-23T03:31:27.620182Z
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@atomicpoet encouraging people to use instances that are cut the most from the rest of the network as their mains like #Kiwifarms / kiwifarms.cc
(DIR) Post #AQsyhejySWD1EyPm5I by HauntedOwlbear@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-21T09:10:16Z
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@atomicpoet this is all moving very quickly now.It's not entirely encouraging given .cloud's very light moderation.
(DIR) Post #AQsyhfBcniKKcjLrBQ by Sbectol@toot.wales
2022-12-21T09:16:41Z
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@HauntedOwlbear I still think that we are rapidly heading for 50%+ of the Fediverse on v lightly moderated massive instances
(DIR) Post #AQsyhfdz6H0o2gcVO4 by HauntedOwlbear@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-21T09:26:03Z
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@Sbectol sounds about right. I wonder whether we'll see big defederations between mass market "normie" (I hate that term) instances and early adopters or niche instances.
(DIR) Post #AQsyhg6LOphHSdt9ai by Sbectol@toot.wales
2022-12-21T09:27:09Z
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@HauntedOwlbear I think it is going to be *very hard* to defederate from an eg Google instance. Be like blocking all email from gmail
(DIR) Post #AQsytbpF7fiFftZwfo by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:57:39Z
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@darnell @bullivant And they'd be mad not to build on the Fediverse. The hardest part about building any social network is validating the network effect. ActivityPub solves that problem.
(DIR) Post #AQsytcHbQEOj5qqasS by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-12-21T10:03:05Z
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@atomicpoet @bullivant I agree. We might see corporations target #Pixelfed instances next.Also, #Mastodon admins are going to receive lucrative offers soon, & some might sell if they are unable to pay operational costs for their servers. It will become critical for members to support their local servers.
(DIR) Post #AQsyuoBodfjqJKi18C by DavidRobb@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-21T10:36:42Z
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@atomicpoet wait, what? Mastodon.cloud is run by web3 types? I think I need to transfer servrers pronto...
(DIR) Post #AQszNjRlLqrc00xZQ0 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T10:14:21Z
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@mensrea @gisiger Well, this is why marketing is so important.
(DIR) Post #AQszNjyjNHEdeGNto0 by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2022-12-21T10:35:42Z
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@atomicpoet @gisiger sure but having a brand and a message that will reach and resonate with the mass population will be very tricky for any decentralised, open source system
(DIR) Post #AQszNkbj2IQXbCd2aO by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T10:39:52Z
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@mensrea @gisiger This is trueābut not impossible.
(DIR) Post #AQszNl7z6MEPDFinrs by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2022-12-21T10:42:10Z
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@atomicpoet @gisiger no, not impossible. is there a fediverce foundation yet that could co-ordinate this part of the work?
(DIR) Post #AQszNlV1igfAMiVCme by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T10:44:52Z
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@mensrea @gisiger Mastodon is a non-profit. The W3C, which standardized ActivityPub, is also a non-profit. The Mozilla Foundation, which just announced they will be investing in the Fediverse, is also a non-profit. There's also several ethical for-profit entities building out the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AQszNlz9uelXsAbGka by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-23T03:39:35.195126Z
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@atomicpoet @mensrea @gisiger > Mastodon is a non-profit....and also has a history of choosing censorship and centralization over the fediverse.> The W3C, which standardized ActivityPub, is also a non-profit. ...and also has a history of capitulating to Netflix / the MPAA in pushing DRM to the edges of its userbase> The Mozilla Foundation, which just announced they will be investing in the Fediverse, is also a non-profit. ...and also has a history of capitulating to Netflix / the MPAA in pushing DRM to the edges of its userbase....among other things.if those are the 3 saviours of the fediverse, sorry to say we're fuckedBut thankfully they aren't. We've got more than enough users outside of pawoo/m.s to survive whatever it is they are going to do
(DIR) Post #AQszQlJmqmBqfifr5U by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2022-12-21T10:58:00Z
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@atomicpoetIts not just the domain name of the instance itself that we need to be mindful of but also the #CDN that the server is using for images. Many instances use a seperate CDN.The instance we are on uses what we understand to be a popular one by #BunnyCDN, namely https://cdn.masto.host.As a secondary concern such CDN appears to block #Tor. We are again unable to post images again. (@witchescauldron)1/2#blocksTor #unethicalConduct @mensrea @gisiger
(DIR) Post #AQszQmAxf4izKdYJyC by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2022-12-21T11:30:50Z
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@atomicpoet @witchescauldron @mensrea @gisigerIf a CDN becomes too big the result is a just another #centralisation problem. Again, censorship and suppression at scale in the form of denial of serving content like #images and #videos is possible.The #TooBigToExist CDN can also begin to gather data on users, for example when they are accessing the content and what content do they tend to look at etc.The very nature of the #legacyInternet is unworkable. Alternatives like #I2P and Tor exist.
(DIR) Post #AQszQyWfkBDndRnpTc by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2022-12-21T11:49:17Z
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@atomicpoet @witchescauldron @mensrea @gisiger@lightone3/3Even worse is that some instances are using (Sc)amazon or Cloudflare to serve content.We need to find ways to resist this.People who operate sites dedicated to listing #fediverseInstances are welcome to contact us and ask us to do an assessment of instances they list. We are happy to volunteer to do this.Knowledge is #power, and we need to remain as vigilant as ever to ensure the power remains #distributed.
(DIR) Post #AQszhFMGvhQsTNhGqm by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-23T03:43:07.566604Z
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@miklo @atomicpoet That's not why instances get to be 'victims of defederation' -- They become victims of federation because people assuming power in instances like yours who have personal vendettas, thin skin, and pathological drives to censor other instances. If you're serious about keeping the fediverse connected, then your path is cleareither 1) make an instance *and don't defederate us* or 2) convince your ham-fisted thug jannies at fosstodon to not be such wanabe petty cowards and unblock instances, especially ones like #spinster which are actively funding the development of free/open source software in a sustinable way -- spinster is the epitome of a successful free software project *why aren't you federating with it*?
(DIR) Post #AQszqYlk87eNHT3G9x by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-23T03:44:48.816716Z
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@oschonrock @atomicpoet disagreement on The Loli Question, mostly.
(DIR) Post #AQszvLYuf0rLlgKhtY by jpreisendoerfer@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T15:04:47Z
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@darnell @bullivant Establish #PlatformCooperative|s:ā https://mastodon.social/@jpreisendoerfer/109551581704521128Pls also take note of this posting which explains an #international|ized legal variant of #Coop|s from #Europe:ā https://mastodon.social/@jpreisendoerfer/109552671629249750šŗ š·ļø #Genossenschaft #ICA #InternationalCooperativeAlliance #Introduction #Cooperative #CooperativeEconomics #SocietasCooperativaEuropaea #SCE#EuropeanCooperativeSociety
(DIR) Post #AQszvM5sgRENPvl2HY by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-12-21T15:10:31Z
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@jpreisendoerfer @bullivant I know @SocialCoop (https://social.coop) is a good example of a cooperative.
(DIR) Post #AQszvMUhCB52etMqxc by jpreisendoerfer@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T15:18:11Z
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@darnell @bullivant @SocialCoop Nice!Thanks for drawing my attention to it!I think it would be okay for such #cooperative|s to be #ForProfit (which essentially comes down to support for their members).Very often, there is an almost immediate reflex to think of a #coop as something which must be #NonProfit.However, #trade, #craft, #commerce & #service are concepts which are orthogonal to #Capitalism. One can responsably do the first without the latter, even more so in a coop.šŗ
(DIR) Post #AQszvMypO9BQALSuvY by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-12-21T15:22:34Z
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@jpreisendoerfer @bullivant @SocialCoop I agree! A #cooperative would be self-sustainable & prevent a hostile take over from a corporate giant.
(DIR) Post #AQszvNQTjLIjY6P01g by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-23T03:45:36.915614Z
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@darnell @jpreisendoerfer @bullivant @SocialCoop You guys should really take a closer look to what federated coop has done to the coops under their control across western canada
(DIR) Post #AQt0BFyXCRDb4fu5iq by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-12-23T03:46:54Z
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@jeffcliff @bullivant @jpreisendoerfer @SocialCoop Are you referring to running instances as a cooperativeā½
(DIR) Post #AQt0BGgUZ0NdH0TCEq by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-23T03:48:31.323141Z
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@darnell @bullivant @jpreisendoerfer @SocialCoop I'm talking about what coops do across other domains.If we had coops running fediverse instances in sasktachewan you can bet it would be under FCL
(DIR) Post #AQt0svUMjI8GHIcEfA by SaberAlter@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-23T03:56:27.318727Z
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@atomicpoetIt isn't as if this hasn't been an issue since forever. Anyone who has been on the fedi for a year+ already knows this.
(DIR) Post #AQt1UeW0HkEediN4S0 by Koekepan@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-23T04:03:16.404595Z
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@SaberAlter @atomicpoet As I see it the more interesting thing will be how the mainstreamers spin it - not that they aren't already. Sites like Huffington Post are already hyperventilating about how you must be a good little drone and get on the right server otherwise terrible things might befall your innocence and your precious vital fluids be polluted by the hideous toxins of unmediated free speech.
(DIR) Post #AQu7ycZMsTTCAwZtxI by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T09:53:27Z
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@Polychrome Yes, but there's an assumption a lot of people have that every instance is run by volunteers. This is not true.
(DIR) Post #AQu7yd11DfaVYhVz3Q by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2022-12-23T16:50:35.984885Z
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@atomicpoet unfortunately the people who keep boosting your post mistake it to mean "Pawoo, a large volunteer ran instance, is now owned by a company".This could use a clarification.
(DIR) Post #AQuGbkNqYe2bL0MBG4 by jpreisendoerfer@mastodon.social
2022-12-23T08:18:23Z
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@darnell @jeffcliff @bullivant @SocialCoop Yes.
(DIR) Post #AQucZdtZuLPXcxbI0m by SchizoCynic@poa.st
2022-12-23T22:33:28.168967Z
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@Koekepan @SaberAlter @atomicpoet @Eschatology
(DIR) Post #AQuxOXThWchbZn2kSW by animeirl@shitposter.club
2022-12-24T02:26:45.851663Z
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@atomicpoet #1 child porn instance on fedi
(DIR) Post #AQuxaBMDaxiURf5y2C by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-12-24T02:28:50.287149Z
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@mxtthxw @atomicpoet good post@10grans tip 0.001 to @mxtthxw
(DIR) Post #AQuxbpLMPfdYkXTirI by 10grans@fedi.cc
2022-12-24T02:29:09Z
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@Moon, you sent 0.001 :10grans: to @mxtthxw and have 65.657310401477174525 remaining.
(DIR) Post #AQuy1G85xb3H44Otcm by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-12-24T02:33:43.741001Z
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@maid @atomicpoet @oschonrock it was the actual child porn
(DIR) Post #AQvKyifvfZ69fsz55U by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-12-24T06:51:00Z
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@atomicpoet Anyone got info on Mask Group, who the CEO is and what else do they own Sounds like Pawoo is getting more traction then LINE
(DIR) Post #AQvPsBP8xKDOWKpqbI by beardalaxy@gameliberty.club
2022-12-24T07:45:51Z
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@mint @atomicpoet unfortunately mstdn.jp has the same shit on it so that's unlikely
(DIR) Post #AQvSCxtIaticb9yfmi by seb@hachyderm.io
2022-12-22T18:06:30Z
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@muppeth @atomicpoet Thereās an important distinction there - XMPP was primarily a technology that could be implemented to existing user bases, making existing networks of users irrelevant. Mastodonās value is in the community - if somebody bought mastodon.social and made it incompatible with the fediverse, it would immediately lose all of its value. I think/hope Mastodon is more like email - mostly centralised, but still email.
(DIR) Post #AQvSCyS2VjVYKuEPw0 by muppeth@fe.disroot.org
2022-12-24T08:11:58.132457Z
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@seb @atomicpoet I dont see much of a difference between email and xmpp other then the fact email was much more popular back then so harder to consolidate to single entity and so cake had to be shared. Even now most of email traffic goes through essentially two providers. As for mastodon and people. I dont think it matters that much. Currently surely it is that current user base does care about who their providers are, but letās face it. On global scale people dont care. So what I fear is not that someone buys mastodon.social and stops federating. that would be silly. I worry that someone buys mastoson.social, praises the openness and what not, then buys hachyderm.io and fostodon and number of others. . Once they have a lot of instances and start controlling the network, will simply consolidate those instances into one announcing how cool this new feature is where you dont have to look for servers and get all confusef with @username@servers stuff. And yeah at the end if there is multiple entities doing it like in case of email, perhaps there will be federation but at which cost. Small servers will be downplayed, often mark by big ones as spam etc. There will be extra rules applied to force users of small servers to drop the idea and move on to the big ones. I wonder what impact thumblr and flickr will have. The moment they apear on fedi they will be the biggest servers, and this means they will want to control. Dont forget that those arent charity project but rather want to maximize profits. Since their decline, they want to stay relevant. This aproach will apply to ActivityPub.
(DIR) Post #AQvfCvy12un82GV1iC by maid@lounge.dtzbts.xyz
2022-12-24T10:37:39.659Z
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@Moon@shitposter.club @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @oschonrock@mastodon.social I guess moderation got better. ā:shrug:ā
(DIR) Post #AR8m2wvJrRaXCXKPcu by maid@lounge.dtzbts.xyz
2022-12-30T18:25:31.403Z
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@MischievousTomato@beefyboys.win @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @oschonrock@mastodon.social I didn't look too deep, just checked main feed quickly. They will probably get partyvan outside of their house if that is the case.
(DIR) Post #ARDnxUccpTVlfzuT1U by whetkey@stereophonic.space
2023-01-01T23:43:10.099060Z
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My #HotTake:#Mastodon #admins **should** place a _low-power_ #crypto #miner in the #timeline so _some_ of the **distributed** idle-CPU time can be _donated to the instance_ to pay for #hosting costs. Why: Hosting costs money. Big companies have money, and I'd rather my money be the #voice of my instance than a for-profit.If it is _opt-in per visit_, then #users **and** guests may (A) #donate towards covering server maintenance costs (and use CPU time and power), or (B) #decline to mine and use the service without sharing CPU time. Anyone who deems an instance beneficial **CAN** contribute to keeping it alive. On power-constrained devices, users **may** opt out.- **If you have money, donate to your instance to keep #BigBusiness out of it!**- If you don't have money . . . hope we get an _opt-in crypto miner_ in the timeline?Thoughts?
(DIR) Post #ARDnxV6P2lKZALqFRA by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-01-02T04:40:08.198866Z
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@whetkey @darnell Iād rather not. Small instances donāt cost that much. Meanwhile, placing unwanted JS miners results in quite a lot of tension and I wouldnāt use an instance that does this. But also, consider that many people here use alternative frontends or client apps.If you want to support your instance, you can always donate a few bucks or put a normal miner, mine some crypto, and donate that. Well, not you personally, since stereophonic doesnāt accept donations :comfyjoy:
(DIR) Post #ARDo3jEZPnDajSdDl2 by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-01-02T04:41:20.664304Z
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@whetkey @darnell Iād rather not. Small instances donāt cost that much. Meanwhile, placing unwanted JS miners results in quite a lot of tension and I wouldnāt use an instance that does this. But also, consider that many people here use alternative frontends or client apps.If you want to support your instance, you can always donate a few bucks or put a normal miner, mine some crypto, and donate that. Well, not you personally, since stereophonic doesnāt accept donations :comfyjoy:
(DIR) Post #ARDoC2eF7Ml3GDbUm0 by tn5421@fedi.absturztau.be
2023-01-02T04:41:14.014219Z
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@newt watch me. ill buy and send you grans@darnell @whetkey
(DIR) Post #ARDoQeRpNN9kY4lNCq by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-01-02T04:44:54.331549Z
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@tn5421 @whetkey @darnell I think 10grans bot glitches out on me, so my point still holds
(DIR) Post #ARDpqGlq86lOb9u3Y8 by meowski@fluf.club
2023-01-02T05:01:31.369093Z
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@whetkey @darnell browser based crypto miners can't mine shit but they can slow your browser down and make your experience shitty. you would need literally millions of users to mine any significant amount of crypto in a browser