Post AQb9V7WlihUZPLBUf2 by FranckLeroy@mastodon.online
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(DIR) Post #AQb7jVm2Abdekg3ivw by FranckLeroy@mastodon.online
2022-12-14T11:04:57Z
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Unpopular opinion : Universal Health Care is a more modern, revolutionnary and life changing invention than any metaverse / crypto / web3 bullshit you can think of.Politics > technology.
(DIR) Post #AQb7jWMC0AYuYoybIG by FranckLeroy@mastodon.online
2022-12-14T11:21:38Z
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In France (where I am from) the social system was set up in 1945, by the former resistance fighters in a country ruined by the war. The social security then gathered universal health care, pension funds and unemployment insurance: taking millions of French people out of misery and protecting them from the major risks of life. These independent funds were managed by the workers themselves. I can't believe 70 years later, most humans (inlcuding americans) don't have access to those basic rights.
(DIR) Post #AQb7jWs65Y5C9lu51U by Hempressemilym@13bells.com
2022-12-14T12:48:20Z
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@FranckLeroyFor starters:Population of France 65,623,955Population of USA 335,734,517Tax rate of France 30% 26,070-74,545Tax rate of USA 22% 13,000-70,000And, not for nothing - USA fines citizens who *do not have insurance* because they passed the Affordable Care Act and opened Medicare to all. While it may be a “basic right” I’d rather be allowed to choose my own doctor and investigate their credentials than have a state run medical system.
(DIR) Post #AQb8xsgPtFbDoQqb3o by FranckLeroy@mastodon.online
2022-12-14T13:02:05Z
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@Hempressemilym You don't realize how the world is laughing at you guys. It's hard to understand that, having a system that much broken, you still spend so much energy to prevent a better "socialist" one from happening. Pure madness.
(DIR) Post #AQb9GgrO4XBwe6wp2e by Hempressemilym@13bells.com
2022-12-14T13:05:32Z
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@FranckLeroy oh - we know. It’s not our (American citizens) fault entirely. The system here rewards back room deals and makes millionaires out of politicians. We know we’re the butt of a joke. A centralized health system in the states already exists. It’s called the Veterans Affairs - and it’s an even bigger joke than our country. We the people need to do better but copying other nations isn’t how we get there.
(DIR) Post #AQb9V7WlihUZPLBUf2 by FranckLeroy@mastodon.online
2022-12-14T13:08:08Z
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@Hempressemilym " copying other nations isn’t how we get there"Why reinventing the wheel ?
(DIR) Post #AQb9bzF6vAUNjwCPHU by nicolas_gadenne@mastodon.gamedev.place
2022-12-14T13:09:20Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy And why not ? Might you be too proud for that?Because your answer might just looks like an excuse to not change anything, no ?
(DIR) Post #AQbA2nzgqrHOfgm4cy by Hempressemilym@13bells.com
2022-12-14T13:14:14Z
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@FranckLeroy isn’t that what America is - A reinvention of the government / nation wheel?The core issue with American healthcare is the extortion / inflation done by insurance companies and allowed by profit driven facilities. ((The medical facilities do not set pricing, the insurance companies paying the facility sets the price))
(DIR) Post #AQbAGLT7hkLIFvzvUG by Hempressemilym@13bells.com
2022-12-14T13:16:41Z
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@nicolas_gadenne it’s not pride that has me saying copying won’t work - it’s the logistics of having 5x the population and 20% less taxes. We already (imo) pay too much in taxes Giving them *more* money will solve problems? Not likely. @FranckLeroy
(DIR) Post #AQbAS7nENOBDJh1IB6 by nicolas_gadenne@mastodon.gamedev.place
2022-12-14T13:18:48Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy Having more pop change nothing - you have less than Europe together for example.And yes, more tax is good, means better redistribution. Rich people have ways of increasing their wealth that poor people does not have. Taxes compensate that.
(DIR) Post #AQbAwWPJQS56LNKJ6G by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-12-14T13:16:33.155247Z
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I'd say the core issue is government granted monopolies. The FDA grant pharma companies monopolies, allowing them to dictate prices, the AMA grant doctor's professional monopolies, cutting down on competition, regulators restrict the numbers of hospitals etc.It might as well be acknowledged as a command economy.
(DIR) Post #AQbB4MtweVMDB7OdJw by Hempressemilym@13bells.com
2022-12-14T13:25:43Z
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@nicolas_gadenne more population changes things quite a bit. Having such a large “diverse” group does not allow common issues to be discussed and agreed upon - all we do in America is slap our identiarian cards on the table and argue with each other. - there’s no actual tangible solution we the people can come to, but we do not need to bend the knee to globalism. @FranckLeroy
(DIR) Post #AQbBLN7X5gUimTrMpc by nicolas_gadenne@mastodon.gamedev.place
2022-12-14T13:28:47Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy no need for 300M people for that, trust me!And the "globalism" point, no, that is not an argument. It's simply sharing the burden. Living in a society. You do spend so much on the military for example - successfully we might say. So no there is nothing that technically prevent that.But most of American do not want it, that's it, that I can understand.
(DIR) Post #AQbCFGiu3wEJ9mzddw by EvilSandmich@poa.st
2022-12-14T13:38:56.479823Z
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@Hempressemilym @nicolas_gadenne @FranckLeroy Discussions of anything in the states that does not take in to account the "black tax" are being intentionally obtuse. The healthcare system worked fine in an 85% White America, and so on: >Why do you have so many prisons America?>Why do you have so many guns America?>Why are your schools so bad America?Friggin' Euros, if it wasn't for the ongoing genocide of Whites I'd be happy about what they have coming to them; they'll be wishing for an American healthcare system in the end.
(DIR) Post #AQbCqkefjvj2het4hU by ncrav@mas.to
2022-12-14T13:45:32Z
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@HempressemilymThe US already wastes more than enough money to cover UH every year. You should account for what you spend in healthcare vs what you'd spend on taxes, basically you guys pay more for insurance than anywhere else to get little to no coverage and ridiculous prices (like insulin, or emergency services).@nicolas_gadenne @FranckLeroy
(DIR) Post #AQbDdUawEwMH5CNlRI by pkw@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-12-14T13:54:27Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy wanting choice for something that most people don't have at all and/or can't afford is the dog whistle of US libertarians and conservatives.
(DIR) Post #AQbDkWnQSBPVwBZtR2 by Hempressemilym@13bells.com
2022-12-14T13:55:43Z
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@pkw glad you heard it. @FranckLeroy
(DIR) Post #AQbJLUPSmyIT1NoVhQ by baslow@social.coop
2022-12-14T14:58:13Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy I've been working out "how we get there" under the general heading of #SeizeTheMeansOfCommunity I feel that we have been robbed -- over the course of two centuries -- of the richer, deeper meanings of "community", the kind that enables, nurtures, and protects its members. Only when we understand this will we be able to form communities (including online comnunities) that will equip us to collectively change the world.
(DIR) Post #AQbQA32cu216dLchw8 by 4mc@mstdn.social
2022-12-14T16:14:46Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy That's such an uneducated response "I'd rather choose my own Doctor". The reason US medical costs are so high there is massive over provision in wealthy parts of the country, in less affluent, more rural areas there are often no hospitals at all, let alone a choice.Over provision, the fancy marble counters, are all paid for by patients through insurance, co-pays, deductibles, Americans pay directly or indirectly $28,000 per year insurance for a family of four.
(DIR) Post #AQbdvRmS2WruNJzP72 by pkw@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-12-14T18:48:57Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy You have that typical conservatie libertian view where you start from good principles and then twist it into nationalism.its not about fighting globalism, its about letting go of nationalism.There's only one planet.
(DIR) Post #AQcKdSy5BKGysJ6PDs by Wtime90@mstdn.social
2022-12-15T02:47:34Z
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@FranckLeroy @Hempressemilym 1. The US does NOT fine people who don’t have insurance. SCOTUS eliminated it. 2. Medicare is NOT open to all. 3. You choose your doctor from a network of doctors that greedy corporations “hired” for you. 4. Selecting the least terrible plan is annual, confusing, and time intensive. 5. One government system would require most doctors to work within it. The network would be much larger. #HealthcareIsARightNotAPrivilege
(DIR) Post #AQcTPRekA5nSL6Rh3o by doctormo@fosstodon.org
2022-12-15T04:25:49Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy its telling that the USA is spending more tax money on health care per person than a European socialist system, but can not cover basic health needs for it's population.The problem is the system. It's inefficient. It's cruel. It's deliberate.A good resource in comparing countries' health systems is Aaron Carol's "Healthcare Triage" on youtube.
(DIR) Post #AQcTYtGCtoMQYhTNAm by annamal@mastodon.nz
2022-12-15T04:27:26Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy America is no longer any kind of a reinvention. Why wouldn't you investigate models in other countries and use the most applicable aspects for your own country?I'm no great fan of their system but Australia operates a mix of public and private healthcare across multiple states, wouldn't it be worth exploring whether some aspects of their system would fit the US?
(DIR) Post #AQclxi4RRD4WGixDG4 by JonathanCR@sunny.garden
2022-12-15T07:53:42Z
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@Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy In the UK we have a state-run health system *and* you can choose which surgery you wish to attend, if that’s so important to you (though in practice I can’t really see why it would be).
(DIR) Post #AQl6uvAFx3KmJNrfrU by elia@pleroma.elinvention.ovh
2022-12-19T08:26:16.658639Z
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@Hempressemilym "I’d rather be allowed to choose my own doctor and investigate their credentials than have a state run medical system" you can do that even in "socialist" Europe. The only difference is that everyone has to pay to maintain basic infrastructure that everyone will eventually need: like roads, trains, schools and... hospitals! You can do your own assessment of roads and trains and choose the best, while they are still managed and maintained by the state.The concept of freedom you have in America is so peculiar...
(DIR) Post #AQl6wCDA3bb9TGpbrE by trezzer@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-15T07:29:02Z
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@doctormo @Hempressemilym @FranckLeroy The actual reason why is simple : Letting for profit-companies run a sector with little to no oversight does not result in competition and great prices as fabled by conservatives and libertarians. It results in company profits.