Post AQRM8it00mAkR6dLcm by Curator@artisan.chat
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(DIR) Post #AQPhhkEYhaWRTNL504 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T00:34:45.883247Z
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Apparently #UFOI is on #Fediblock now? Why?
(DIR) Post #AQPtTkuea0tUyT7mHA by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2022-12-09T01:28:43Z
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@realcaseyrollins Considering the administrator of the list doesn't delve into presenting sufficient evidence for a block, it's all up for speculation.
(DIR) Post #AQPtTlQYfOPmZQ3G0O by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T02:46:47.428444Z
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@Darkayne The irony here is hilarious ššš
(DIR) Post #AQPw2w1dSHSxU1ICoq by rootadmin@mastodon.online
2022-12-09T02:54:41Z
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@Darkayne @realcaseyrollins pretty sure there's receipts:https://stop.voring.me/notes/98j7helkhr
(DIR) Post #AQPw2wvI7LzAGdKeZM by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T03:15:31.591483Z
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@rootadmin @Darkayne where are the receipts
(DIR) Post #AQPzOAL1jf2BojB6nI by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2022-12-09T03:16:54Z
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@rootadmin @realcaseyrollins 'Manipulative subclauses' seems to be the only claim worth considering malicious. But there isn't any evidence provided of such. Why doesn't the person screenshot that claim?
(DIR) Post #AQPzupQiUbnyWmPkIq by rootadmin@mastodon.online
2022-12-09T03:51:07Z
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@Darkayne @realcaseyrollins do you what you want with the information you got, my sources are the same as you: the Internet.
(DIR) Post #AQPzuqGpMrUN8OnMWm by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T03:58:53.541703Z
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Itās just more trolling and lying, got it.This type of behavior is what had caused me to perk up when I heart they were involved. I should have expected this from them when they joined but figured Iād give āem a chance and not hold past behavior against them but I guess I was wrongā¦
(DIR) Post #AQQ3qiMdDmAfGtnUky by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2022-12-09T04:42:19Z
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@rootadmin @realcaseyrollins The problem is the information doesn't lead to a reasonable case for silencing an entire community.ariadne's opinion of freemo is irrelevant and the claim of "centralized moderation" and "protection of bad actor instances" appears to be the complete opposite of what the ufoi site reads. It appears this Snow character really did a number on qoto's reputation. I have a feeling if ufoi was another instance's creation it wouldn't catch nearly as much flack.
(DIR) Post #AQQ40e0yFMrQg6OtW4 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T04:44:46.944455Z
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Itās strange to see so many folks on the #Fediblock side siding with the #Nazi snow when everybody outside of #Fediblock knew full well that he was a #Nazi and most of us never liked him
(DIR) Post #AQQ7S5yOhoDJ4SyhqS by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2022-12-09T05:16:30Z
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@realcaseyrollins It is strange, yes. However, what snow did is show that the #fediverse currently has a weakness: #fediblock and other blocklists. They are run by the few and whether good intention or not they are "centralized." The concept of a democratically connected group of instances seek to add the decentralization back into to decentralized #socialmedia. This is the reason for the #twittermigration after all.
(DIR) Post #AQQem830056jmcI5vE by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T11:36:43Z
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@Darkayne To prove that i have no nefarious intent personally... all i want is a fair shake and to ensure others get the same (As you point out, protect against nazi's like snow)... I stepped down as the council member.. So I have no position of power of any kind... though i will continue to invest time to build it... people will continue their attacks.No one bothers tohear my side though.. everyone blocked no one listed.. i hear people talking about how QOTO is a hot bed for right wing this or that, and hidden hate speech... yet these are the kinda of things our LGBTQ community here actually say (and what anyone would say if they took the time to look):https://qoto.org/@LouisIngenthron/109480772494982459@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #AQQjKsJmsAYWx4y1rc by ubergeek@tilde.zone
2022-12-09T12:21:53Z
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@Darkayne @realcaseyrollins just because a group of people willingly come together in one place to Collab willingly, and publish a list people can use in whole, or in part, willingly, doesn't make it centralized.That is distributed decision making.
(DIR) Post #AQQkUIGhrL8Dzna5p2 by FailForward@qoto.org
2022-12-09T12:40:47Z
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@rootadmin @Darkayne @realcaseyrollinsNow what I am totally flabbergasted by is that admins have a run of their life with this, but in the end their feuds lead to negative consequences for me as a user.That somebody doesnāt like admin of my instance is a beautiful argument for blocking the entire community - without any good reason, just because somebody thinks the admin is an idiot.Well done everybody there. Thank you. Prototypes of responsible and well-intentioned āadminingā.What a messā¦. There is only one solution: individual instances. Is that what we want?
(DIR) Post #AQQkmhOdAoQt8n425I by FailForward@qoto.org
2022-12-09T12:44:06Z
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@Darkayne @rootadmin @realcaseyrollins Totally agree.Guys, think about the whole community when you discuss this. An admin being an idiot in your judgement does not make a good case for silencing the whole community. After all, all admins, whatever we think of them, should be applauded for what they do for their users. And mind you, at qoto.org, you might not like the guy, but heās doing his tech job well plus, does not even ask for contributions from the community. And he should be thanked for that - regardless of what anybody thinks about him as a person.
(DIR) Post #AQQlR8XVfu9OuJV1U0 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T12:51:20Z
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@FailForwardThank you for this.For the record I pay $1,200 a monthy out of pocket and typically receive no donations (the month of twitter influx however i did get $300, it was the only time though). I am happy to do it though.@Darkayne @rootadmin @realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #AQQmTehPB2nPBKtPFI by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2022-12-09T13:03:05Z
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@Darkayne @realcaseyrollins One of the users said, that 2+2=4, and it hurt the fuehrer Gangren's feelings.
(DIR) Post #AQQopwN8LjoeGzAHse by FailForward@qoto.org
2022-12-09T13:29:31Z
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@Darkayne @rootadmin @realcaseyrollinsAfter all, this all is about a simple thing: qoto.org was excluded (blocked) for no good reason (many here think) and our admin is doing his utmost for us to ābelong againā. Searching for some dark intentions behind is pointless. And he chose a way to put a finger on some real harmful phenomenon out there and tried to right the wrong. People might disagree with it, that is alright, but to imply a negative judgement about the whole community because of that is just silly. Whatās so difficult to understand about it?
(DIR) Post #AQRAr6r73VP44I9MaO by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2022-12-09T12:44:54Z
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@ubergeek @realcaseyrollins Normally I could agree with you, ubergeek. However, these blocklists are widely used and used as a tool to silence groups of people. An example as followshttps://awoo.fyi/objects/2371864a-5c8d-4a96-b4b8-14b555592663
(DIR) Post #AQRAr7PUzeuPmwEpBQ by Curator@artisan.chat
2022-12-09T14:36:22Z
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@Darkayne @ubergeek @realcaseyrollins That post seems really weird to me: that's an admin that is just constantly out there interacting with folks from the worst-of-the-worst edgelord sites and then is surprised to find out that other sites want to hold their site at arm's length?I suspended awoo all on my own well before that list published, because of that. I know that sounds like the dreaded "blocked because of who they federate with" thing but that is more than just federating.
(DIR) Post #AQRAr7zIqXY5ZyzPzU by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2022-12-09T14:40:38Z
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@Curator What was the reason for the ban?@ubergeek @realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #AQRAr8O7MHOkowbEfY by Curator@artisan.chat
2022-12-09T14:42:22Z
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@Darkayne @ubergeek @realcaseyrollins The only reason I ever silence or suspend any sites: to protect my people from potential abuse.
(DIR) Post #AQRAr8nHqhX050NKts by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T17:36:09.472035Z
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What was the potential for abuse?
(DIR) Post #AQRFQQbY1MMXGpxy64 by ubergeek@tilde.zone
2022-12-09T12:54:45Z
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@Darkayne @realcaseyrollins and that still doesn't make it centralized.It is still distributed decision making.
(DIR) Post #AQRGVyy1mymTFKh3Zo by Curator@artisan.chat
2022-12-09T17:39:33Z
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@realcaseyrollins Pretty much all of them.
(DIR) Post #AQRGVzRS1aJgiaSYRE by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T18:39:37.604228Z
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Can you be more specific, or was there no real potential after all so vague non answers are all you have?
(DIR) Post #AQRM8it00mAkR6dLcm by Curator@artisan.chat
2022-12-09T18:51:21Z
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@realcaseyrollins "that's an admin that is just constantly out there interacting with folks from the worst-of-the-worst edgelord sites" - I'd love to name the sites but I don't care to get that kind of attack. Moderators know which ones they are.(teci's actually on the list as well, for exactly the same reason. We just haven't gotten them all entered yet, and it would have been rude to block you mid-conversation but when we're done here I will.)
(DIR) Post #AQRM8jN8CkH7wYjPai by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T19:42:37.700593Z
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I see. So he didn't actually do anything, but federated with people who do?> (teci's actually on the list as well, for exactly the same reason. We just haven't gotten them all entered yet, and it would have been rude to block you mid-conversation but when we're done here I will.)It's probably a free speech thing. I get it; feel free to block us whenever, neither I nor this instance admin will get mad if you do. It is what it is.
(DIR) Post #AQRMAlWjAEonCoBr2e by Darkayne@mastodon.social
2022-12-09T13:07:21Z
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@ubergeek @realcaseyrollins Really not sure how else to say it. You can read the discussion section of fediblock for further explanation. https://joinfediverse.wiki/Talk:FediBlock
(DIR) Post #AQRMAm0rMCvAiGHv0a by ubergeek@tilde.zone
2022-12-09T19:18:37Z
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@Darkayne @realcaseyrollins Just looked over that talk page, and the wiki page, and it just seems like a list people can use, or not use, as instance admins, or even individual users.Nothing centralized about it, I don't think any Masto instances automagically pull that list in to block them, and qoto seems to be in the category of "Be wary" and the reason is clearly given, and the instance admins agree that it is true.So... what's the problem again? How is this "centralization"?
(DIR) Post #AQRMCJBnUf7Lth8UkK by ubergeek@tilde.zone
2022-12-09T19:20:20Z
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@realcaseyrollins @Curator Well, the good news, is @artisancat has zero need to explain any moderation choices to you, and if you don't like that, you are free to block that domain, that person, at your instance level (If you're an admin) or individually.This is the great thing about a federated network like this: specific instances have their own moderation rules and styles, and people are free to federate with others, or not, and are free to work together to create lists of instances they block or don't.
(DIR) Post #AQRMRMjObhMjE5209I by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2022-12-09T19:46:02.916194Z
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@Curator @realcaseyrollins Go back to Twitter, woketard.
(DIR) Post #AQRN3peDXpLfufx2hM by Curator@artisan.chat
2022-12-09T19:45:53Z
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@realcaseyrollins Not just federated: interacts with on a regular basis. Federation, eh, that's at least got deniability. I don't see everything that comes in on *my* fedline either.But you can't regularly engage in conversations with people from those instances and say you don't know what they're about. And if you know what they're about and still think they're just fine, you're not fit to moderate people that my people have to interact with.
(DIR) Post #AQRN3qG9GngpoJhKoy by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-09T19:52:55.910159Z
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IIRC the original reason #QOTO never joined #Fediblock in blocking places like #Gab was because some #LGBT users were fearing for their safety at the time and wanted to monitor users from bad faith instances and see if they were planning any acts of violence.
(DIR) Post #AQRNyRKOdZ4ezdfm76 by ademan@shitposter.club
2022-12-09T20:03:14.160824Z
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ahhhh good olā pre-thoughtcrime
(DIR) Post #AQROaZRutHjlBXNA2a by lucifargundam@qoto.org
2022-12-09T20:10:06Z
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@realcaseyrollins @Curator That would be correct.
(DIR) Post #AQROvf9irwNGxsv6HI by 1967GTO@poa.st
2022-12-09T20:13:57.017679Z
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@Curator @Darkayne @ubergeek @realcaseyrollins >The only reason I ever silence or suspend any sites: to protect my people from potential abuse.No, that's not protecting them. They are broken people, and sheltering freaks with safe spaces does not work. And the pronouns you use further emboldens their delusions. It's just a matter of time before a tRaNs-WoMaN rapes you with his "female penis" and you'd better not complain because that is AnTi-SeMiTiC.Go back to Twitter, or try Faceberg.