Post AQFJInF02mVH4xW0rw by cy@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #AQF9UMNAlXh7gMDNqK by sean@blacksun.social
2022-12-03T22:13:12Z
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@tofugolem @bnmng Right they must be confronted on a legal and physical level. But not in our bar.
(DIR) Post #AQF9UODftpHlPTmpJg by bnmng@assortedflotsam.com
2022-12-03T22:18:41Z
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@sean @tofugolem @melissachimera I can go for hours doing "one the one hand.. on the other hand.." On the one hand, confronting them gives them oxygen like Melisssa said, On the other hand, I've read good stories about engagement - even positive engagement like the Muslims who offered tea to the people protesting their mosque, or the son of the Stormfront founder who's heart was turned by kindness showed by fellow Jewish students in his university.
(DIR) Post #AQF9UOdYLbzAhjtUeW by nach@bae.st
2022-12-03T22:24:18.787210Z
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@bnmng @melissachimera @sean @bnmng @sean @melissachimera you guys gonna get bored trying to run the OG's out of the fediverse, not mastodon as your newfag asses call it :laugh:
(DIR) Post #AQFJImnhgGfXiIkDK4 by tofugolem@mastodon.lol
2022-12-03T19:48:59Z
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People fail to grasp what is being communicated in this metaphorical story.Notice that the bartender does not respond by ignoring the Nazi. He immediately and swiftly confronts the Nazi and lets him know he's not welcome in the bar.Further, the bartender warns that if you just ignore the Nazi, the Nazi will show up with more friends tomorrow.If they are in your community, you need to confront them swiftly and decisively as the bartender in this story did.
(DIR) Post #AQFJInF02mVH4xW0rw by cy@mstdn.io
2022-12-04T00:14:14Z
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@tofugolem Meanwhile in touch with reality, a Nazi dressed in plain clothing comes to the bartender warning him that there are Nazis out there trying to invade his bar. The Nazi will help him though, by policing the area with his friends, and keeping those darned Nazis away. For a small fee of course. And you and the bartender fall for it hook, line and sinker.
(DIR) Post #AQFK4g9JiJ5Mz6gtiC by tofugolem@mastodon.lol
2022-12-04T00:22:54Z
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@cy Yup. Real-life Nazis are much better at hiding what they are. They generally don't wear obvious symbols. They constantly change what symbols they do display.
(DIR) Post #AQFjVybFijj6sfs3Bg by cy@mstdn.io
2022-12-04T05:08:01Z
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@tofugolem The real giveaway is seeing nothing wrong with manipulating people to do things they would never agree to if they knew what was going on. Even good things (they're lazy! they're savage! they wouldn't understand!) the red flag is a lack of awareness of the positive feedback effects of manipulation, unable to recognize that the nature of they and their victims is equivalent. Hard to get a fascist to show that though, until you've given them the power they pretend to need.
(DIR) Post #AQFjhhM9eocWsNOl5U by wilbr@glitch.social
2022-12-03T20:51:28Z
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@tofugolem it's also worth pointing out that this bartender obviously speaks from experience: he didn't know what an iron cross was at first, and he obviously feels the sting of regret that the didn't respond better in the past. We learn the "smell" of danger through exposure and failure. We will make mistakes. What matters is our resolve in detecting and marginalizing evil before it grows roots.
(DIR) Post #AQFjhhrLmpZeR7zfiC by CypherCloudsculpter@universeodon.com
2022-12-03T23:47:44Z
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@wilbr @tofugolem Just because someone wears an iron cross does not automatically mean that they are a "nazi". Only if it has a swastika or other "reich" symbolism in it's center is it classified as a "nazi cross". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Cross
(DIR) Post #AQFjhiJM6hyXpz62Ma by tofugolem@mastodon.lol
2022-12-04T00:21:41Z
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@CypherCloudsculpter @wilbr Honestly, most of them aren't going to wear swastikas nor iron crosses.They constantly change the symbols they display in order to hide from others what they are. If you want to identify them, you need to stay abreast of that stuff.The iron cross was just for the purpose of the story, which I didn't write.
(DIR) Post #AQFjhiqg6od9VKgeIq by wilbr@glitch.social
2022-12-04T00:32:33Z
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@tofugolem @CypherCloudsculpter yeah that's why I felt the need to interject about learning to identify them by smell, which comes from experience.My "smell" is when someone seems to think that everything's a joke that they're in on but you're not. I don't know why but when someone's smiling but my heart has dread in it, I've learned to pay attention to that. Maybe they're not a "Nazi" but they're probably bad news.
(DIR) Post #AQFm6aKD8WxqDUU38q by cy@mstdn.io
2022-12-04T05:36:59Z
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@wilbr @tofugolem People who won't make themselves vulnerable tend to raise alarm bells like that for me. When we socialize, we take risks, put ourselves in a position that the other guy could take advantage of. The one who shows no vulnerability, that's the one I'm wary of. That's why hand shaking was invented, albeit a crude way to do it.