Post AQF6LQowYkcR0aFuAi by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #AQBsH81KXDNEi4DuiW by stux@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T08:27:13Z
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Almost all 'big' App Store providers like Google and Apple require content moderation for apps like Twitter & Mastodon, even the European Union said this to Elon and Twitter.. This is not to withhold content but to set some boundaries to prevent a wild online west and I totally agree! You cannot put a platform out there for people to use and hold your hands off it, be responsible for the content you host and take action where and when needed :cat_hug_triangle: :blobcatsnugs:
(DIR) Post #AQBsZADN7DImjASJhg by stux@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T08:30:31Z
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There will always be people who don't like it and that's okay. I cannot please everyone no matter how hard I try..Years ago I decided to create a set of ground rules and stick to them no matter what people think of it, from the thousands of servers out there I think we have the right to do that and if people don't like it they can always join any other server right :cathug: From where I stand I find it kinda weak and messed up if you're gonna take the time to drill us into the ground
(DIR) Post #AQBt2OGXx6V4hjsRDk by Susanbee@hachyderm.io
2022-12-02T08:35:48Z
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@stux Well stated!
(DIR) Post #AQBt9RqT2htJph2nNg by jj_angelus@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T08:37:06Z
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@stux šš¼
(DIR) Post #AQBtCXLF40zrkRuZMm by Treesaregoodand1@livellosegreto.it
2022-12-02T08:37:34Z
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@stux the the quoted sequence of words is the only useful part of this post.
(DIR) Post #AQBtKoQzOhPT4pXu2y by thepoliticalcat@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T08:39:08Z
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@stux This is why I am here, and STAY here. You keep this woodland clean and safe for all the smol creatures who wish to roam its space. I cannot thank you enough.
(DIR) Post #AQBuhDTl3vyv4o5VNw by staceyestrella@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T08:54:14Z
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@stux Bravo! The content you host reflects *your* brand. What better than to be known for creating a light-filled space for sharing wonder, kindness, and joy?
(DIR) Post #AQBvVj0I81OHKOOCHo by Chris_Swan@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T09:03:33Z
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@stux Well said. Everyone should feel safe on social media. No pile-ons, no discrimination, no hate, no inequality, no shock tactics.
(DIR) Post #AQBvaydXQstTGEFd56 by mirakamdar@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T09:04:29Z
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@stux šš¼
(DIR) Post #AQBwE9uBTEThVFiiky by RandyDandy@fosstodon.org
2022-12-02T09:11:33Z
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@stux 100% akkoord!!!
(DIR) Post #AQBwUVHxjcPCSLdVxY by sorihel@fosstodon.org
2022-12-02T09:14:31Z
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@stux very well said.
(DIR) Post #AQBzLAgpFfNHpGVWs4 by philippmichelreichold@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-12-02T09:46:23Z
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@stux Anyone don't wanna follow the rules here should, quite frankly, go back to the Birdshyte. Frankly, I think you and the SDF mods have created a Wonder and are pretty lenient in modding it.
(DIR) Post #AQBzNAzD7Vl9KC3xk8 by kcsorenby@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T09:46:49Z
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@stux true. There will always be people who do not agree . Thatās ok.. we canāt make everyone happy.. you try to do things fair, and with care and consideration so all feel included.. and thatās what mattersšāŗļø
(DIR) Post #AQBzR851rozLTBfZKK by philippmichelreichold@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-12-02T09:47:29Z
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@stux Frankly, I'm admin (actually, we are just mods) on Wikipedia, and I would swing the Banhammer more than y'all do.
(DIR) Post #AQBzcxrbg4NjG72DJI by PixelRefresh@masto.ai
2022-12-02T09:49:40Z
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@stuxI think you are doing a good job
(DIR) Post #AQC0nQMmewO8VcAXYG by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T10:02:45Z
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@stuxI get uncomfortable with the mixing of two issues. 1: content platforms can have moderation policies and enforce them. No problem there. 3: Governments can have legislation defining the limits of free speech. Problems, but that's a different topic.What worries me is when governments try and enforce free speech norms outside the legislative process.
(DIR) Post #AQC0opItQdyC8k1A48 by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T10:03:00Z
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@stux... If the speech on a platform doesn't break a law then the government needs to keep it's nose out and return to the democratic guardrails of the legislative process.
(DIR) Post #AQC0qT9sjfMu2KaPBI by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T10:03:20Z
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@stuxI get uncomfortable with the mixing of two issues. 1: content platforms can have moderation policies and enforce them. No problem there. 3: Governments can have legislation defining the limits of free speech. Problems, but that's a different topic.What worries me is when governments try and enforce free speech norms outside the legislative process. ...
(DIR) Post #AQC1pYEQUIAlR4q0X2 by del@neurodifferent.me
2022-12-02T10:14:20Z
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@stux it seems to me to be the same as allowing people/companies to open shops but with some rules around what is legal to sell (and who you can sell it to) and what isnāt.
(DIR) Post #AQC75MXgDS3naNCc0O by WorMP3@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T11:13:09Z
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@stux I hear what youāre saying but people tend to conflate accessibility and moderation. I get that certain brands e.g. Apple and Google want to ensure that certain content is not available to the masses on their platform, exactly like server admins here. But letās be 100% clear, the Internet is absolutely the āWild Westā and it will continue to be, and should be. As you say, people need to have the ability to go else where. Even if that else where is the festering underbelly of our society.
(DIR) Post #AQC75O3GbUvAGczLsW by WorMP3@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T11:13:11Z
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@stux should content be moderated, thatās completely up to the host. But accessibility to all content itself should never be moderated outside of the host itself; in other words, Apple and Google can moderate their app stores, the government canāt moderate the Internet.
(DIR) Post #AQC75PZYwuLgz56erA by WorMP3@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T11:13:11Z
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@stux The moment they try, everyoneās civil liberties come under fire, and we go from being moderated to living in a surveillance state. Case in point the UKās #OnlineSafetyBill and other that have previously appeared in the US.Itās the users choice where they go to receive/post content, said content can be moderated by the host but thatās where moderation should end.https://www.openrightsgroup.org/publications/whos-checking-on-your-chats-in-private-online-spaces/
(DIR) Post #AQCAISWPaxdPl3Xto0 by MikeyB_137@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T11:49:12Z
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@stux I used to moderate a big sci-fi fan forum, and the bottom line we worked to was "this is a party in ABC's house, party-wreckers can leave". Yes there were formalised rules, but that principal was what made it all work.
(DIR) Post #AQCEnW3EvEqTUwxuSG by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T12:39:31Z
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@stux I hate it when people argue that content moderation=censorship, because the reality is (for those of us who aren't so inhumanely rich that we can afford to ignore it), if you operate something dangerous, you have an obligation to prevent it from causing harm. Anyone who's ever driven a car knows this. It's irresponsible to give a platform to misinformation or a means for hateful, violent people to organize.
(DIR) Post #AQCFlBsX3KkuJCPbSC by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-02T12:50:29.937748Z
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@manfromthehand @stux content moderation is censorship though.
(DIR) Post #AQCFr5ACvolrDiUNBA by Calgarygirl2023@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T12:51:24Z
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@stux Well said. I'm a newb here & am enjoying myself. We can't please everyone, we're not pizza.
(DIR) Post #AQCKEy8d6SdwCKOdYe by tqwhite@newsie.social
2022-12-02T13:40:36Z
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@stux Moderation is good. In even the most unconstrained 'public square' in an ideal world, we would not allow people to get on a soapbox and directly abuse specific people.I just don't want my access to ideas limited in ways I don't want.
(DIR) Post #AQCNdVh0If0H4rrtqa by jcast@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T14:18:40Z
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@stux > This is not to withhold content but to set some boundaries to prevent a wild online west and I totally agree! While I generally agree that moderation is necessary, I would not settle with giving #BigData a blank check for being the gatekeepers of freedom of expression.
(DIR) Post #AQCQvKRLAw9tFkjKO8 by pochitoque@sivar.cafe
2022-12-02T14:55:30Z
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@stux Morning, have a warm ā and whomever does not agree with your server rules, tell them that you will consult with the ruling committee (your cats) and come up with a new rule.. very simple
(DIR) Post #AQCjBpmMDwUiG1a3vs by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T13:00:05Z
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@realcaseyrollinsSure. But not all censorship is bad or even a break with rights to free speech. Is it censorship to prevent boosts on hate speech? Probably, but that person still has free speech. A right to free speech doesn't obligate anyone to give that speech a platform.@manfromthehand @stux
(DIR) Post #AQCjBq9koxD3QaWkOu by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T13:03:04Z
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@duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stuxFree speech, as ever, is a guarantee that the government can't throw you in jail for speaking against it. Has no bearing on private establishments. The internet doesn't owe you a platform any more than your grocery store.
(DIR) Post #AQCjBqXVOeCycFdiQC by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-02T18:20:11.638988Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux private establishments can have free speech though, if they choose to support it.
(DIR) Post #AQCjLlOvM7lZZjM2vg by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T13:00:13Z
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@realcaseyrollins @stux Hot take incoming, but censorship is good in a lot of cases, and the word moderation literally means "the avoidance of excess or extremes".Synonyms exist! Stuff is things! Things are junk! Junk is clutter! Clutter is debris! Is stuff debris?Non-totalitarian censorship exists.
(DIR) Post #AQCjLlprjxJivHxYvI by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-02T18:22:01.758889Z
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@manfromthehand @stux I strongly disagree that it's good in "a lot of" cases, but there are cases where I think censorship definitely does need to be an option, such as censoring pornography in mainstream spaces.
(DIR) Post #AQClRYQahbUCzB1VEO by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T18:40:11Z
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@realcaseyrollins @stux Pornography has no definition, but to my point, censorship is widely and, mostly, mundanely used in society, which is where it's value exists. Despite the nasty connotation the word typically commands, most of human society's social contract is built upon censorship.Censorship used by the powerful to suppress dissent or competition, yeah, we all agree that's the bad kind. The good kind is far more abundant and largely invisible.
(DIR) Post #AQClRZq9S3WhMjzQi8 by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T18:40:53Z
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@realcaseyrollins @stux To wit, as I previously said, "Non-totalitarian censorship exists."
(DIR) Post #AQCmunHeeCd1PdLkBs by RedPilledPakistani@theblower.au
2022-12-02T19:01:45Z
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@stux it is a slippery slope
(DIR) Post #AQCozJgeJb4GyYKDNw by CypherCloudsculpter@universeodon.com
2022-12-02T19:25:04Z
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@stux Is that a moogle?
(DIR) Post #AQCvtNPyEJKWUMde40 by mayor@smugglersbbs.com
2022-12-02T20:42:25Z
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@stux #yes. Just like any other #Sysop
(DIR) Post #AQD0GMPWXYphqGe1Qm by JegErAlan@masto.boo
2022-12-02T21:31:28Z
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@stux The problem here in the U.S. is the tech oligarchies want to have their cake and eat it to. They want Section 230 protections (āYou canāt sue me for what someone posts on my platform!ā) while at the same time unevenly, arbitrarily, and capriciously censoring. The former is needed, but once they start censoring, it would seem sooner-or-later they should be liable for what they choose not to sensor. (Understanding it needs to be a bit more nuanced than this.)
(DIR) Post #AQDTrfG0KVePg8Kdxw by DianeAmast@ohai.social
2022-12-03T03:03:03Z
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@stux I'm with you, Stux.Sorry detractors, but I just cannot understand the need or usefulness of being so consumed with hate. Why? It's beyond crazy. It cannot be a satisfying life.Thanks for your positive contributions to my life.
(DIR) Post #AQEBffY5obhR5jsopU by nickbax@mastodon.lol
2022-12-03T10:18:45Z
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@stux although Iām curious how they require content moderation for Mastodon. Thatās like requiring content moderation for an email clientā¦Or does the client have a list of banned servers that it wonāt connect to?
(DIR) Post #AQELfKQhKqgL8ItthI by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T13:05:54Z
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@stux nothing prevents those "#FreezePeach" nuts from setting up their own Mastodon instance on Tor or wherever...But one cannot expect you to shield users that most likely never donated to your server anyway from foreseeable consequences.Heck, not even VPN providers will do that for all the right reasons!https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968
(DIR) Post #AQEYuMYZ0bEvTe4xCi by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T15:34:29.217686Z
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Itās not plentiful, but it does exist
(DIR) Post #AQEZBsNnvpup6lOhCy by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T04:12:09Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @stux Private establishments rarely benefit from free speech. Moderated speech has, again and again, proven to be the most beneficial for society. Free speech, broadly, benefits the individual, save for cases when the powerful need to be held accountable.If your speech is self-moderated within the social contract, freedom only exists to violate it.
(DIR) Post #AQEZBsoOKzBORDpveK by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T10:33:28Z
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@manfromthehandThe social contract is doing a lot of the work in that argument. But the #SocialContract is a social construction in constant flux. I think this is one the reasons many people push back against the attempts of US progressives to regulate speech on topics of gender and race. For example the social contract is currently in flux on the question of the appropriateness of assuming someone's #gender.@realcaseyrollins @stux
(DIR) Post #AQEZBuCXAi5YkO8iv2 by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T14:45:54Z
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@duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux That's all true and I have no argument against it. My only argument is that censorship happens all the time and not just in nefarious ways. A functional society requires that everyone isn't constantly pissed off with everyone else, which is my argument that censorship is, on the whole, actually a good and necessary thing.I hope that it's obvious that I do not in any way think that totalitarian censorship like China has is a good thing.
(DIR) Post #AQEZBuXntd6PoM5i4W by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T15:37:36.428825Z
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> Private establishments rarely benefit from free speech.In what sense? Some platforms thrive on free speech; #4chan and #Kiwifarms are good examples of this (although #Kiwifarms is kind of a free speech absolutist; they allow threats to violence and doxxing IIRC, both of which are illegal and don't fit within the standard paradigm of free speech)
(DIR) Post #AQEibvN8L8JzUmZy0e by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T15:40:27Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @stux I implore you to try and convince me that either of those websites have contributed anything meaningful to humanity. If those are the first entities that come to mind, I don't find your argument persuasive.
(DIR) Post #AQEibvoQhe9irRLlYW by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T17:23:09.525065Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux When did I say they contributed anything meaningful to humanity? š¤ This convo isn't about contributing meaningful things though. It's about free speech
(DIR) Post #AQEizGMST8YzFiOMLo by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T15:51:55Z
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@realcaseyrollins @stux I feel like I've illustrated that censorship as a practice is actually extremely plentiful and either benign or useful.
(DIR) Post #AQEizGqEgQNmk4K8lU by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T17:27:22.324492Z
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@manfromthehand @stux You showed that it was common, yes, but not that it does more harm than good.
(DIR) Post #AQEj2ZIeVoKIrHBiNc by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T16:03:39Z
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@manfromthehandI have two issues here. First I'm not sure that 'people not being pissed off' is something censors should act upon. That would create tyranny of the thin skinned. We all need to learn to deal with things that piss us off and not always be protected from them. Being protected from ideas and speech we find objectionable does not create strong people or a robust society. ...@realcaseyrollins @stux
(DIR) Post #AQEj2anWwUcVVKdt9E by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T16:09:11Z
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@manfromthehandMy second objection is to state censorship. I'm not entirely sure I know your position on this, but here goes anyway: once any organisation with power is given space to exercise their power they will typically do so to their advantage. I think that's acceptable for a private actor when there is a plurality of spaces in which to speak. I do not think that's okay for a state. We've seen time and again states increasing their use of censorship in many ways.@realcaseyrollins @stux
(DIR) Post #AQEjHSICqZOrTB4tKS by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T17:30:39.619507Z
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@duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux the #TwitterFiles revealed that the #JoeBiden administration and the #DNC had #Twitter delete or censor content upon request. What do you think about that?
(DIR) Post #AQEjPqrdNIiJzdeWkC by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T17:03:11Z
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@duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux To your second point, state sponsored censorship is a very slippery slope, but there are all kinds of laws regulating speech, both what is and is not allowed, as well as where and when. Libel, slander, threats, terrorism, these are all forms of important censorship. Parody is a deeply important form of free speech. All of it is regulated, and rightly so. Society can't function without social contract, legal or otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AQEjPsSBStXovHlELw by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T17:10:54Z
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@duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux To your first, "tyranny of the thin-skinned" is a poorly disguised attempt at re-wording "I don't give a shit about how other people feel". Being able to throw someone out of a private establishment for being a loud mouthed asshole is an absolute societal good, full stop. If your vision of a "robust society" is Nazis freely shouting in public spaces with no recourse, you can go and jump into the sea.
(DIR) Post #AQEjPtuE47ZNQXt8hU by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T17:11:50Z
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@duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux If all freedom of speech means to you is your ability to shit on other people and not be stopped, you don't deserve society.
(DIR) Post #AQEjdsCbCEpQCJ92ZM by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T17:34:45.271463Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux This makes you seem thin skinned.
(DIR) Post #AQEjgpqePAbLlWI6u8 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T17:35:17.802246Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux #Hitler agrees.
(DIR) Post #AQEkq3zXI1cQBsPYqe by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-03T17:48:12.309208Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux Are we doing the same to Left-wing protesters, too?No... well then.
(DIR) Post #AQEkwG7H7fyXX4zADw by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-12-03T17:49:17.183092Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux that's your interpretation of other many people just trying to be heard, and it illustrates the problem with your point.
(DIR) Post #AQElTZYHslZNMqVOWO by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T17:44:23Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @stux My part in the conversation has been, from the start, about the benefits moderation of speech (aka censorship). And if free speech doesn't add anything meaningful to society, what good is it? The fact that you don't seem to understand the connection is deeply troubling. As is the way you casually name drop Hitler, which is the kind of thing a teenager would do when they've run out of compelling arguments.
(DIR) Post #AQElTaAZaQC7HaPyCG by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T17:55:16.160524Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux Ah I see, that makes sense. We value freedom differently; I don't care if I think the speech is sharing a good or bad idea, I care if it leads to real-world harm. This is how #USA law works, and more internet platforms should work in this way IMHO.I'm not the type of person to say that if your ideas are bad you don't have a place in society. I'm not a #Nazi, so I repel that idea.
(DIR) Post #AQElZ1mUM3lMMlkVaC by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T17:45:11Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @stux I'm not familiar with the Twitter files. Some links might be helpful.
(DIR) Post #AQElZ2DQjtJViKM1Zo by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T17:56:17.516004Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux https://social.teci.world/notice/AQEYpSbeG84bxOeRQe
(DIR) Post #AQEldkxyIc2lfENJey by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T17:49:18Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @stux Again, your use of thinly coded language here is embarrassing. If you want to call me a snowflake, do so and be done with it. If I have to try and convince you to care about people, I honestly don't know why we're continuing to interact at all.
(DIR) Post #AQEldlMmoLtQuBz8L2 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T17:57:09.167870Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux Because if we disagree on something I must surely be cruel and heartless ššš
(DIR) Post #AQEllCX0DAz1BNJIlU by antares@qoto.org
2022-12-03T17:50:10Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux This works right up to the point that the private establishment is the oppressor not the oppressed. Frequently, those who are oppressed need to make their oppressors uncomfortable in order address their oppression. Content moderation becomes a tool for silencing the oppressed because "they don't give a shit about our feelings."
(DIR) Post #AQElyf3nS8lPQb4GfY by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T18:00:54.271913Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux The absolutely hilarious part of your argument there was it was described to you how strong censorship rules lead to a societal structure that institutes a tyranny of the thin-skinned, and said "no" and then literally described how thin skinned you are and why you support strong censorship rules šIt wasn't about calling you a snowflake, but dismantling your argument, which you had already unscrewed for me š
(DIR) Post #AQEm4tOj3irLdHpQsi by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2022-12-03T18:02:04.873859Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux That wuss is behind a blocklist. If he is so concerned about Nazis, why doesn't he go after the people supporting actual nazis instead of some shitposters blasting Moonman because it makes upset and they find it funny? Also 4chan has done more meaningful things to Internet culture than this idiot can imagine. Inventing Lolcats, raids, Remixing Pepe the Frog to the point that he is now Matt Fury's most popular creation, spreading Touhou, Inventing the rules of the internet. Inventing the idea of the reaction Image, spreading a shit drawing from Poland to the point that it is now the template for every shitty meme. In short the idea of Internet memes was refined there. These are only harmless things 4chan has done for this world. And the best thing about the internet was; It was all like 4chan to a lesser degree. The internet should not be focused on narrative formation or any higher good. I reject that. The internet became gay as fuck as soon it was about that. None of the most influential things Forums have done is about this. The Internet was good when it was about 2 things; Information and user generated Entertainment. And for this to happen, the freedom to say what you want, whenever you want. in any way you want, with whatever information or wisdom you happen to possess is a must. Tell me, how can make a accurate website or post about making Soap, repairing a computer or even cooking something on a fucking camping stove if every host is like that faggot and suddenly decides its somehow a shibbloleth for being a Nazi, because their Nendroids became alive this morning and told them so? These examples are not as nonsensical as you think they are. There have been dumb articles going after Farmer's markets already. How are you supposed to be funny, if everyone is protected and you are supposed to celebrate Furries who want to rape Puppies and people who profess that they are the Hitler Cinematic Universe and want to be taken seriously as the Hitler Cinematic Universe? How creative can you be if you are not allowed to create anything, because everything has to obey Disney's Gleichschaltung, because competition is scary and some hacks who got lucky want to keep their Jobs and big corporations want to milk their IPs. Forever and ever, indefinitely. I ain't sorry that free speech maximalism upsets some faggot with dumbass Something Awful goon name like manfromthehand@mstdn.social. These people should fuck off already. PS: Stop posting your goddamn face. Nobody except doxing lowlifes who want your identity cares about it.
(DIR) Post #AQEmFVhxTfDRLTt5DE by Nudhul@shitposter.club
2022-12-03T18:03:59.346402Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux im going to kill you with a bazooka
(DIR) Post #AQEnNJuLKmkD1Cy5OS by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T18:16:34.539428Z
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@Nudhul @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux how about no
(DIR) Post #AQEnTS7FjGrODHvlGy by balan@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-03T18:17:44.026968Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux I fully support private establishments reserving the right to deny service to loud-mouthed assholes, but only if bigoted business owners also get to denying service to whoever the fuck they want for whatever reason they want. The road goes both ways. If freedom doesn't include the legally protected right to be an absolute ass, it's not freedom.
(DIR) Post #AQEnhGL0JiTpjowpY8 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T18:20:10.135136Z
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@balan @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux the road will never go both ways, the whole point is to ban bad thoughts, per Current Thingā¢
(DIR) Post #AQEnkSqOH9EbOV9gxc by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T18:19:44Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @stux I mean, it's literally your argument that people's feelings don't matter and that's a privileged statement if I ever heard one.
(DIR) Post #AQEnkTFukFeQff64kC by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T18:20:45.281815Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux Why is it privileged? š¤
(DIR) Post #AQEo0eAFxE5f8ZADg0 by balan@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-03T18:23:43.975792Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux this is the unfortunate truth. true freedom is contrary to human nature. the pendulum just swings back and forth.
(DIR) Post #AQEoYozYClbEYzS5gG by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T18:23:10Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @stux Because more than likely, if you don't care about hurting people, you probably have some kind of privilege shielding you from the consequences. Either that, or it's a hobby of yours.
(DIR) Post #AQEoYpRuVKHhywijsu by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T18:29:52.621896Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux I could say the same about supporting censorship.But you're strawmanning me here.
(DIR) Post #AQEwITIDucKqGWtuSG by Nudhul@shitposter.club
2022-12-03T19:56:35.228911Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux too late im omw
(DIR) Post #AQEwnv3mizRRMR8ug4 by JammerJim@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T19:35:36Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux Kinda difficult for the "Biden Administration" to request anything of Twitter back in...2020.Also, Taibbi, who so far is the guy doing all the "reporting", specifically noted he saw no evidence of gov interference as of that point.
(DIR) Post #AQEwnwdyptzMGz5KjY by JammerJim@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T19:39:19Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux Also worth noting is that *both campaigns* made requests and those requests were often honored. 90% of what has been "revealed" is just people discussing how they should engage in content moderation, which is sort of the point of things. If someone posts a dick pic of me I should be allowed to request (and EXPECT) it's removal. Nothing nefarious about that.
(DIR) Post #AQEws7209qVDeCJ9zk by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T20:03:00.062235Z
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@JammerJim @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux It's still not a good thing that the social media platform was censoring content on demand for the government and powerful politicians.
(DIR) Post #AQEwvArcMh5iP0uYBk by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T20:03:33.616247Z
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@JammerJim @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux They should not have accepted requests from any campaign!
(DIR) Post #AQEwyUcVMtP6XnQOES by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T20:04:09.857033Z
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@Nudhul @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux uhhhhhh...How you're trolling bro
(DIR) Post #AQEwzWYpdcUeqwCMOO by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T20:04:20.314520Z
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@Nudhul @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux *Hope
(DIR) Post #AQF1DdNNUmOJrQpBFA by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T20:45:21Z
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@manfromthehandActually, you suggested I was a Nazi before anyone mentioned Hitler.@realcaseyrollins @stux
(DIR) Post #AQF1DdvPSFc5YykMHw by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T20:50:36Z
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@duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux If you'll forgive me, this has been going on for a bit, and I'm new to the platform, but I don't recall specifically calling anyone out as a Nazi during the course of it, and I'm not sure I could locate it right now if I had.
(DIR) Post #AQF1FXOsgThtuGR2y8 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T20:52:03.883356Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @stux yeah I could be wrong but I don't remember that either
(DIR) Post #AQF65s2NbIyqmo7Vdg by JammerJim@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T20:57:53Z
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@realcaseyrollins @duncan_lithgow @manfromthehand @stux Um, they (or at least they used to) censor content for anyone making a request. I flagged bad Tweets and (sometimes) they got removed. Not exactly something exclusive to the wealthy and powerful.
(DIR) Post #AQF6IkdARwZ5ZzT9lo by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T21:48:37.862308Z
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> Um, they (or at least they used to) censor content for anyone making a request.This is a good point.I think the #TwitterFiles heavily insinuate that #Twitter handled censorship requests differently than other requests. But to be fair, I actually still need to read the whole thing in its entirety (I was out for the past couple of hours and just now got back home)
(DIR) Post #AQF6KV4BHwLRt2wFs0 by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T21:00:47Z
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@JammerJimIt's really helpful to put reply texts under the person you're replying to. I use #fedilab app which does this automatically. What app are the rest of you using? Don't use the official app. Its quite new and not very good yet.@realcaseyrollins @manfromthehand @stux
(DIR) Post #AQF6L3B6Si5HgMRGNc by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T21:05:16Z
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@manfromthehandI sounds like you have trouble navigating mastodon? If you only look in the mentions it's hard to follow the thread. Click on someone's reply to go from the list of mentions back to the thread they came from. Hope that's useful. Follow @feditips for useful mastodon tips.@realcaseyrollins @stux
(DIR) Post #AQF6LQowYkcR0aFuAi by manfromthehand@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T21:09:31Z
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@duncan_lithgow @feditips @realcaseyrollins @stux Thanks. I gotta say, despite this thing getting out of hand, y'all are still nicer here than the average Twitter user. Much appreciated.
(DIR) Post #AQF6M3ON9TXOdT7jfc by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T21:19:22Z
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@manfromthehandYes, it did get out of hand. We all need to focus on taking the temperature down in each discussion rather than pushing it. Fighting is so boring. A civil argument can be enlightening. @realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #AQF6RwpyR3Uc2lqQro by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-12-03T21:50:19.441407Z
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Very true! Iām very opinionated and can get pretty passionate at times š
Welcome to the #Fediverse BTW! Itās way better here than on #Twitter, I donāt think thereās anything #ElonMusk can do to make it better platform than this place.
(DIR) Post #AQF8cok54ZKi1zOncO by r000t@ligma.pro
2022-12-03T22:14:26Z
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@manfromthehand2 problems here... 1) If you symlink "free speech" to /bin/bad, under the reasoning that "we're not the government we can do what we want", the logical conclusion is "well why don't we get rid of that pesky 1A so the government can do what we want?"They never ever consider what might happen if they give the government all these powers, and then someone they don't like takes office. 2) Denying service to actual uniform wearing, goose stepping nazis? Go for it. Denying service to someone who (you heard through the grapevine) disagreed with someone from a specific group and is thus now a "nazi"? Big problem. The argument "How could you ever have a problem with censoring nazis?" falls apart when literally everybody right of Karl Marx is a nazi. @duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux @maxmustermann
(DIR) Post #AQRobd1HhOcrMA53Oi by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2022-12-10T01:01:38.655990Z
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@manfromthehand @duncan_lithgow @realcaseyrollins @stux "To your first, "tyranny of the thin-skinned" is a poorly disguised attempt at re-wording "I don't give a shit about how other people feel"No, just worthless subhumans like trannies, SJWs and NPCs, I'm actually considerate of actual human beings.
(DIR) Post #AQRokqLZWB8FIQxonI by Saber@shortstackran.ch
2022-12-10T01:03:15.333682Z
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@manfromthehand @stux nigger
(DIR) Post #AQRp2rD13GzRBMYG2K by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2022-12-10T01:06:34.232324Z
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@manfromthehand @stux "I hate it when people argue that content moderation=censorship, because I'm a fucking pussy who wants to censor people I disagree with, and I don't want to actually nut up and admit to what I'm doing."
(DIR) Post #AQRsD31EIVCKZIabS4 by Balrog@poa.st
2022-12-10T01:04:24.592929Z
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@stux Nobody cares, nigger kike.
(DIR) Post #AQRz83UHpKVUFkkNTE by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-12-10T02:59:24.310528Z
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@ChristiJunior Moderation=faggotry. I generally avoid moderating unless I believe the target could land me in court. So basically paedophiles and maybe sometimes an obvious fed. Everyone else should be bullied until they leave or quit beinga whiny faggot.@manfromthehand @stux
(DIR) Post #AQS0ACieZg3xPz3VVg by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2022-12-10T03:11:09.249765Z
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@Leyonhjelm @ChristiJunior @manfromthehand @stux I might add the most extreme obvious spamfaggots who are daring people to ban them, but mostly I don't care.
(DIR) Post #AQS2oFxCAS7owR5ElU by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-12-10T03:40:40.068363Z
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@ArdainianRight I usually just mute those. Occasionally one ventures into possible fed territory but usually I won't notice because they're muted.@ChristiJunior @manfromthehand @stux