Post AQDXn7QAaaNBOdAtNo by unifiedberets@masto.pt
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(DIR) Post #AQCP6a29L4fktRBVfU by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T14:35:13Z
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This is a question the entire fediverse needs to wrangle with. On the one hand, advertising has had an unquestionably negative impact on the Internet. On the other, these services DO cost money to run. While in a perfect world donations would cover everything, the reality is most users of the platforms/communities aren't paying to support them. If we don't all figure this out, it's going to be hard for the fediverse to scale. Would love to hear ideas in the comments!https://fortune.com/2022/11/28/twitter-advertisers-elon-musk-mastodon-ads-brands/
(DIR) Post #AQCPahwkU2Hk7d1Zaq by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2022-12-02T14:40:39Z
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@tilvids Honestly, no services or struggling services is preferable to endless corporate exploitation.But I absolutely understand that it's not fun to be the one struggling to keep things afloat day after day. My final conclusion is that I'd rather have a weird, fringe, unpopular #Fediverse than just another "slightly less awful than the other guy" online service. But that doesn't mean it should be a false dichotomy, either.
(DIR) Post #AQCPm2EPPBWmDggaa8 by gmate8@mastodon.online
2022-12-02T14:42:39Z
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@tilvids and we can't read more!
(DIR) Post #AQCPpcxRJXSMzdSgam by kirkman@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T14:43:20Z
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@tilvids Personally, I am not bothered by tasteful ads, but what I do care about is how they're placed. TV and radio, particularly in North America, has been subsidized by adverts for many decades. What changed with the internet is the extent to which personal data is mined and used to target the ads. Traditional broadcasters have done research on basic aggregate demographic data to sell ads and that worked well for a long time.
(DIR) Post #AQCQOdk2OLhrYkt8c4 by alceawisteria@koyu.space
2022-12-02T14:49:39Z
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@tilvids It can be mitgated by smartly closing regstration and splitting load across servers.A advantage twitter does *not* have
(DIR) Post #AQCQcwnEM6IghWCiEi by scanlime@misc.name
2022-12-02T14:52:20Z
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@tilvids solution: stop trying to "scale"
(DIR) Post #AQCQyljo8gUWmi0aFE by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T14:56:13Z
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@kirkman I think that's a pretty insightful take. One thing I've considered eventually for #tilvids is something like corporate sponsorship, wherein we'd have 2-3 corporate sponsors that we just prominently display, similar to what PBS sometimes does in the US. That way the ads aren't overly-intrusive, and don't have to mine user data. We just display that they are helping to sponsor the site.Nothing definitive planned at the moment, just musing on future possibilities.
(DIR) Post #AQCRD51BFiQadRxTyC by adderbox76@mstdn.ca
2022-12-02T14:58:47Z
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@tilvids - Brands and ads have a place on social media. But where and how much reach they get needs to be strongly protected in the interest of the viewer/consumer.Ads are fine as long as I'M the once in control of what they show me and how much of data they get (preferably none...)
(DIR) Post #AQCRHYQFry4czQov0i by kirkman@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T14:59:37Z
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@tilvids The PBS and NPR model is nice because those are considered "underwriting" sponsorships and not really advertisements. They're not allowed to have a specific call to action, just a general statement on what the sponsor does or provides and a web address where prospective supporters of the business can go to learn more.
(DIR) Post #AQCRoIrOkZyaHT8G9Y by PublicLewdness@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-02T15:05:34.139837Z
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@tilvids Yeah looking at the donation section of most FOSS projects is depressing. Even many of the more well funded ones can barely afford one full time dev based off just donations.
(DIR) Post #AQCUFcoyqMf7uq9nvs by LukeAddisonUK@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-02T15:32:52Z
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@tilvids it's a dilemma. Sort of ironic that I can't read the full article because it's behind a pay wall.
(DIR) Post #AQCfLRX4pKFo8alA8W by jacobgonzales20@fosstodon.org
2022-12-02T17:37:10Z
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@tilvids sell ad space as it doesn’t include any tracking elements due to the nature of it just being an png (picture)
(DIR) Post #AQCfRLEz8HFkMT6ska by fssofdeath@social.librem.one
2022-12-02T17:38:13Z
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@tilvids I am good with ads but I don't want them to be targeted to me beyond the instance I'm on.Good, quiet and tasteful ads catered to the instance they are posted on would be okay, IMHO.Of course, I'd rather no ads at all but we have to be realistic.
(DIR) Post #AQCfZjawT5n8D9NlAW by AAKL@noc.social
2022-12-02T17:39:39Z
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@tilvids I would make the donation links more prominent. As for ads, some might add a security risk and will require vigilance or a selective approach, which probably won't work.
(DIR) Post #AQCfcMthJUe6gWPXX6 by Bitnacht@troet.cafe
2022-12-02T17:40:14Z
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@tilvids I love to know how I can buy products that are related to my interests, but I don‘t want that to jump in my face when I am about to do something else. Also I want my data safe and secure and not something any shady company can easily buy or hacker can download without my knowlege. Advertizers and site owners are using irresponsible means for their own convenience and profit. They should get negative feedback for that, but apparently it isn‘t enough to effect change.
(DIR) Post #AQCff5KR5drB46DGXA by phaedral@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T17:40:43Z
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@tilvids Expect to see a life-cycle not unlike that of the web, heavily academic and technical to start, commercialized as soon as folks with money figure out a way to turn a profit. Enjoy this golden moment while it lasts.
(DIR) Post #AQCftWKjU2t4sCEdkm by korreckj328@fosstodon.org
2022-12-02T17:43:20Z
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@tilvids platform death before capitalist take over is preferable.
(DIR) Post #AQCg4P6YhRcfdhnLsG by dgoldsmith@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T17:45:17Z
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@tilvids For those with Apple devices here’s one way around the paywall: https://apple.news/A5nbvK7w_Tn-ppfCMS_ZC8w
(DIR) Post #AQCgBtglO6HeWMIoj2 by jeff_schmidt@dice.camp
2022-12-02T17:46:38Z
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@tilvids Donations and sponsorships: yesAds inserted into your timeline: HELL NO
(DIR) Post #AQCgX56M9NuvzxNIPI by titanelectrons@mastodon.social
2022-12-02T17:50:29Z
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@tilvidsThe first point is privacy.I do not mind privacy-respecting advertisements which are tailored based on the topics of the content.For example, if I am viewing a post about cars, I don't mind if I get an ad for a car.The second point is placement.I do not want advertisements to sabotage my experience. They should be placed in a set location and it should explicitly say that it is an ad.
(DIR) Post #AQCif6P9OBKoGU7NZ2 by oct2pus@jade.moe
2022-12-02T18:14:19Z
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@tilvids No.
(DIR) Post #AQCjCbOxAGIHxL037I by mral@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-12-02T18:20:23Z
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@tilvids this bothers me too. old-time farmers could grow all they and their neighbors needed but always had a #cashCrop or #marketGarden that was sold to buy stuff. instances need to identify a sponsor or something. large organization, red cross, libraries, churches and governments etc that have an income stream need to #sponsor the technical folks that do the work. instance owners are like care givers to the internet.
(DIR) Post #AQCk2ldeLfdUlQkS12 by docRekd@hachyderm.io
2022-12-02T18:29:49Z
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@tilvids My own gripe with #adTech is its #privacy violations.Because #ActivityPub does not track its users, I do not have problems with #ad here.
(DIR) Post #AQCkljzhJDqwhAVQS8 by jonfitt@fosstodon.org
2022-12-02T18:37:56Z
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@tilvids I would suggest members-only instances. That way the members pay for the running of the infrastructure while gaining a right to an expectation of QoS and some security that their instance isn’t going to go poof. When you allow advertisers the users are the product not the customer.
(DIR) Post #AQCkvmXYhIWJUJ8FaS by em_ad@mastodon.lol
2022-12-02T18:39:43Z
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@tilvids Honestly I think brands are probably just going to go back to #Twitter eventually. Once the press attention has moved on, I bet twitter will re-ban/deboost enough nazis (and also leftists and queers and poc) that brands will be willing to come back. If Musk wants twitter to be profitable, it will have to shift to be more sponsorship-focused
(DIR) Post #AQCmf5Mbevr6qwAwgS by zleap@qoto.org
2022-12-02T18:59:10Z
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@tilvids Maybe instances could attract sponsors, and links to the sponsors website. Could be as simple as if the owner has an instance, but a local business sponsors then links, to their website, product info can be shared.
(DIR) Post #AQCnBDFjrXyQaUHaXQ by ManniCalavera@openbiblio.social
2022-12-02T19:04:55Z
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@tilvids While I can understand the position of having ads that do not track as "not as bad", I am strongly against having ads at all. Advertising is always sold (hah) as an "it does not hurt that much and helps very much", I think this is very short-sighted. Once you have ads, soon you you will have to present numbers about "click-through" and "engagement" and all that toxic corpo-speak, to keepbup the price of your place. Which in turn, as certain...
(DIR) Post #AQCyRyC8CVrAIumw9g by vkc@mspsocial.net
2022-12-02T21:11:13Z
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@tilvids I personally think that sponsorship (particularly paid ad reads) can be a mutually beneficial relationship that gets a creator paid for their work in an unobtrusive way. Transparency is key, of course! I'd be more than willing to take on sponsors if done ethically, and if Peertube instances could help creators make those connections, that could help organically grow the platform in a healthy way.
(DIR) Post #AQD12HbdhsqAqCA9IG by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T21:40:14Z
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That's an interesting idea @vkc and one I've definitely considered. I've said before, at some point I'd like #tilvids to become a community-run instance, with a board comprised of creators, patrons, and long-standing users. It'd be nice to find a way to take on sponsors, and then split the revenue to support/grow the instance, as well as the creators contributing content!
(DIR) Post #AQD18GyUy0ZEcWi8vo by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-02T21:41:19Z
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@kirkman I like the idea of no specific call-to-action, other than awareness and a web address.
(DIR) Post #AQDE6aptS2NR2mDPvs by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2022-12-02T22:03:57Z
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@tilvidsThe real question is, are people in "charge" like @Gargron will stay the course or give in to cash out --That's *NOT* a dig against anyone, nor an assertion or assumption that people will crumple and choose self over other. It's just a simple realization that the temptation *will* be there.REMEMBER #MAKERBOT. ;)
(DIR) Post #AQDE6bF3wSVgIpzWAC by james@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-12-02T23:18:40Z
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@RL_Dane Honestly I'd rather have big instances like Tumblr (who's joining ActivityPub) handle all the corporate and mass-user load fleeing from Twitter, while Mastodon and the rest of the fediverse will be for the "smolnet", AKA those of us who like to be on small instances.Most of these people fleeing from Twitter don't wanna pay to support the admins, and a lot of admins don't want to take money from big corporations, so having a corporate-funded instance to handle the load makes sense, as it will also leave the burden off the admins, many of whom are just volunteers running these instances.But then...how will corporate control take over? (Hint: Gmail)
(DIR) Post #AQDE6brhcnQ0Eg4NOK by dc@pl.starnix.network
2022-12-03T00:06:40.762999Z
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@james @RL_Dane email is very easy self hosted and also other who host it, email is nowhere dead and under gmail control and im tried of people saying it is
(DIR) Post #AQDGAOTXY6nZm6hSDY by sparr@mastodon.social
2022-12-03T00:29:44Z
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@tilvids Plenty of platforms did just fine without/before internet ads, and there will still be plenty of options without them. Just because it's the most profitable way to run an internet business doesn't make it necessary.I anticipate there will be paid Mastodon instances with better performance. Some will take donations. Some will operate as part of another profitable business.
(DIR) Post #AQDGpqiHSzdfE3MW00 by tbs@thebene.fit
2022-12-03T00:37:10Z
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@tilvids i didnt use Twitter. its been long time since i used Facebook, also didnt use Instagram or anyrhing smilar to these.Why i am here? Because mastodon seems have good quality.In short, that is not my problem:).
(DIR) Post #AQDXn7QAaaNBOdAtNo by unifiedberets@masto.pt
2022-12-02T18:24:41Z
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@fssofdeath @tilvids This, this is the solution. Instance manually reviewd ads. They are displayed to only the users instance even of looking at federated sources.
(DIR) Post #AQDXn83sCy8FNlkbGi by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-03T03:47:15Z
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@unifiedberets @fssofdeath The nice thing is, most instances will probably need in the hundreds to thousands of dollars a month, not the tens of millions of dollars a month, to reach a point of equilibrium. Should scale well enough.
(DIR) Post #AQuAkLLKQbV6YatWkK by florianherrengt@mastodon.social
2022-12-23T17:21:38Z
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@tilvids even Twitter struggled to make a profit. It’s a lot of data to process.