Post AQ07A7RhRLdUJe9cVE by jecxjo@mastodon.sdf.org
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(DIR) Post #AQ04HzSYiUAi09cMYC by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T15:45:27Z
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I just saw someone boost a post about deleting toots more than 2 weeks old to help Masto server performance.Really?I can't think of a good reason to do this.Right now people are talking about how if twitter gets lost we lose a gigantic repository of information. So we're going to do that automatically??Also, the reason we have hashtags is so they're searchable. Even old ones.#BadIdea
(DIR) Post #AQ05TAFf24f0bzTcq8 by Edthedev@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T15:58:40Z
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@Ricardus I dunno. Unix philosophy is that tools should be tuned to their purpose.I would argue Mastodon's purpose is interaction and exposure to new ideas. We have other better ways to archive our histories. I suspect the Mastodon network will not be successful as an archiving tool.
(DIR) Post #AQ0689ABz16V6rSday by twylo@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:06:04Z
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@Ricardus I've always taken a different view, personally. I saw my own Tweet stream as being highly ephemeral, not something that should be viewed as an archive of information. I ran scripts that would regularly delete all of my old Tweets pretty much right from the start, so I enjoy the fact that it's easier to do from Mastodon. But, I can only speak for my own use case and I wouldn't try to push what I do onto others.
(DIR) Post #AQ06a45QS6oxTLXlzM by oliphant@oliphant.social
2022-11-26T16:10:11Z
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@Ricardus Individuals can set up their own timeouts for data. My old posts delete after a month, but they are configured that nothing gets deleted if there’s at least 5 likes or 5 boosts, or I’ve favorited/bookmarked them myself.I don’t care about my posts that no one cares about
(DIR) Post #AQ07A7RhRLdUJe9cVE by jecxjo@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:17:37Z
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@Ricardus i agree, deleting for general users is a bad idea.i think the good use case is for bots that post periodic data. Something that post every important play of a sporting match, one that posts hourly weather reports. There is a bot that posts satellite communication reports, good to look at in the moment but absolutely no need to keep more than a week.
(DIR) Post #AQ07MmuD7RsKNOWyQa by Hello57@noc.social
2022-11-26T16:14:22Z
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@Ricardus Stewart Brand, creditied as the driving force behind the Whole Earth Catalog, in later years:Home made skylights always leakStore bought ones don't leak
(DIR) Post #AQ09117Tn6PxzvU42q by venya@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:38:24Z
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@Ricardus If there's one thing other social networks should have taught us by now, it's that just because I can't think of a good reason to do something doesn't mean there isn't one.Some things perhaps should be ephemeral. I like that everyone can choose that for themselves.
(DIR) Post #AQ09pyqjzSe3j5xJfk by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:47:37Z
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@venya Sure. You can choose than on the birdsite and here. But doing it for server performance is probably dubious.
(DIR) Post #AQ09u416ikGWuVkfSK by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:48:21Z
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@Hello57 Yes.WHAT?!?!?!
(DIR) Post #AQ09yv9h5wz0sJ5H84 by venya@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:49:14Z
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@Ricardus I don't know enough about the back end to even speculate, but I suspect you're right in general.
(DIR) Post #AQ0AFVImTF4TcBF30y by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:52:12Z
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@jecxjo Those use cases are fine, but is it really going to take any meaningful load off the masto servers because my post from 2 years ago is still there? Those posts almost NEVER get dredged up.With recording DAWs, playback of the recorded tracks off the harddrive is the least CPU intensive part of the process, for example. The real CPU load is the DSP required to do things like draw the waveforms and display the VU meters.I am just wondering how this would translate to the masto network.
(DIR) Post #AQ0AUlFdSCeTQN2tRw by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:54:59Z
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@oliphant Sure but the OPs point was doing it to reduce server load on the federated network. I think it's an epic fail, because any post you write is mostly likely going to be viewed the most in its first few weeks. It will almost NEVER be dredged up 2 years from now, so how is this helping?
(DIR) Post #AQ0AbHwUoyzCYICpLU by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T16:56:10Z
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@Edthedev But this wasn't the OPs point. The OPs point was doing it to reduce server load on the federated network. I think it's an epic fail, because any post you write is mostly likely going to be viewed the most in its first few weeks. It will almost NEVER be dredged up 2 years from now, so how is this helping?The archiving aspect I brought up because it was mentioned RE the birdsite many times last week.
(DIR) Post #AQ0B3SvrYTW4kELUP2 by ratamacue@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T17:01:15Z
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@Ricardus @venya agreed. It smells like the kind of "let's throw pancakes at the wall to seek what sticks" kind of performance optimization frequent with people new to a problem domain attempting to help. My gut tells me that the most recent day or 5 of data is "hot" and the older, "cooler" data could be organized differently to improve performance. Deleting that old data will free up disk space though.Twitter had a whole thing about this actuallyhttps://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/topics/infrastructure/2021/processing-billions-of-events-in-real-time-at-twitter-
(DIR) Post #AQ0B7QGDQkN5cIkhdo by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T17:01:51Z
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@venya This was the OPs main point in their post, which I didn't say in my first post. They were doing it for server performance.
(DIR) Post #AQ0BAOEpPEaiDHWC1Y by jecxjo@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T17:02:30Z
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@Ricardus i think people are overestimating the issue here. unless people are posting a ton of images, which may be an actual issue, the vast majority of our posts are 500 bytes plus meta data. being federated *should mean* that the weight of archival is shared. the cache cleaning process should be server side, and should maintain a history, if done right.
(DIR) Post #AQ0BELBmgUjNumyinI by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T17:03:13Z
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@jecxjo Yup.
(DIR) Post #AQ0DBULkMubZMkPEbw by venya@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T17:16:46Z
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@ratamacue @Ricardus brb trying the pancake thing
(DIR) Post #AQ0DBWnpFUFmyPYgee by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T17:25:07Z
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@venya @ratamacue You had me at pancakes.
(DIR) Post #AQ0EFRbOcrjdxOAyCO by oliphant@oliphant.social
2022-11-26T16:59:25Z
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@Ricardus That's a fair point.I can't see how it helps for performance, except in small ways (fewer database records to search, maybe)...However, your instance provider probably is paying real money for hard drive space and probably even an external content network (Wasabi in my case, some use AWS).Deleting unneeded posts will keep costs down for your host, at least.
(DIR) Post #AQ0G7ptecDxcteDRUO by Hello57@noc.social
2022-11-26T17:11:11Z
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@Ricardus it was kind of a snarky comment that VC funded industrial systems (twiiter) are , in the long run, often more reliable then free user run stuff:)
(DIR) Post #AQ0jTD8mHtRFjppnGa by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T23:26:53Z
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@Hello57 Ahhhh.