Post APw9gSyeLR5zdZHLCy by tetrislife@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #APvAloxrvfRy4e4RXs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T07:04:27Z
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Those looking for a more bounded social network experience than what's offered by Mastodon and another existing fediverse software, might be interested in the work being done by the #Bonfire project: http://bonfirenetworks.org/posts/introducing_boundaries/#ActivityPub
(DIR) Post #APvBJbSQee761oTPto by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T07:10:34Z
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A note of caution, this approach is not new. Diaspora is the first project I remember trying it, and Goggle built their G+ social network experiment around it, and then shut it down a few years later. I hope the Bonfire team have considered the reasons this approach to social networking UI didn't fly so far, even with all the engineering talent and money a behemoth like Goggle could throw at it.
(DIR) Post #APvBY1I3PF0uCWUkqW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T07:13:11Z
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I was initially very excited by the circle UI and the ability it gave me to segment my social network by interests, and direct my posts at the people most likely to get value from them. But if memory server, I eventually drifted away from both Diaspora and G+ because the admin overhead of managing all the circles I created ended up taking far of my more time than writing posts.
(DIR) Post #APvBcYNmJNYdzeKnHU by randulo@fosstodon.org
2022-11-24T07:13:42Z
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@strypey Wow, as soon as I see the word circles, it reminds me that new G+ people complained about it being "confusing" just as some complain about Mastodon. I think G+ was great, but it wasn't because of circles, but despite them IMO. I wish them well, regardless, with #Bonfire. A thousand flowers and all that.
(DIR) Post #APvBiFOhoJ2uqkU1Ee by randulo@fosstodon.org
2022-11-24T07:14:31Z
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@strypey Yes! Even on Twitter, the curation aspect eventually becomes too much.
(DIR) Post #APvCrk7d2wOghVaTZY by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2022-11-24T07:27:55Z
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@strypey i found circles handy on g+ but i only a few and mostly they were study groups. and i also drifted away from diaspora but cause i couldn't find my people
(DIR) Post #APvD9NDmvflWt7sKQ4 by badrihippo@fosstodon.org
2022-11-24T07:31:06Z
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@strypey I think the key is not to overdo it with circles? I found G+ circles very handy and liked the fact that they were in Diaspora too (or rather, vice versa, because Diaspora got them first).Happy to see them make a comeback in a new federated platform. I can also see by the homepage that the Bonfire team is paying good attention to looks and design! đź‘€
(DIR) Post #APvNF31fvXbVX4YPDc by tetrislife@qoto.org
2022-11-24T09:24:11Z
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@strypey #Hubzilla (and #Mobilizon ?) have separate profiles, one for each purpose and hence circle. Hubzilla/Streams can now also combine instances to make 1 community. And they are interoperable with fediverse (like Bonfire does).
(DIR) Post #APvOr5qTzbMhEe1YSu by ericbuijs@fosstodon.org
2022-11-24T09:42:16Z
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@strypey I love all these flavors in the Fediverse but I'm hesitant about the Bonfire approach. I tried to segment people into interests before but this failed because people are versatile and dynamic and that's not easily captured in static circles and permissions.
(DIR) Post #APvXyQ5y0BqbeYpplA by jonw@hackers.town
2022-11-24T11:24:25Z
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@bonfire @strypey I’ve long opined that social media’s most problematic design decision is that all your friends are the same so they all get all your content. The issue with that is that it’s simply not true. Some of my friends like horror movies, some are terrified of them. I know that and in real life, I don’t go to horror movies with them. But most social media models have you put every friend you have in the car and drag them all to the scary movies. Circles are a reasonable response to this but generally fail so far with users citing they’re “too much work”. That argument doesn’t resonate with me because in real life we segregate our friends constantly (“would he like this movie?”) and generally we do it out of kindness because we respect our friends and don’t desire to cause them stress. But, for some reason, as soon as we’re asked to do the same thing on social media, that’s a step too far and we balk at it.
(DIR) Post #APvqB1NkzhoHwkJZg0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T14:48:26Z
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@randulo > as I see the word circles, it reminds me that new G+ people complained about it being "confusing"Ae, see the follow-up post to that one ;)
(DIR) Post #APvqFDhF9TsvITQo9A by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T14:49:06Z
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@randulo > as I see the word circles, it reminds me that new G+ people complained about it being "confusing"Ae, see the two follow-up posts to that one ;)
(DIR) Post #APvqffFdKKG6Hl7ung by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T14:53:58Z
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@mensrea > i also drifted away from diaspora but cause i couldn't find my peopleThis was definitely a factor for me too, but even more so I couldn't seem to find *any* interactive people. Same on Identi.ca, from memory. I just posted stuff into the abyss and got very little response. It wasn't until GNU Social came along, and the "instance" culture of distinct cultures gathering around servers like the Quitters, that federated social media started to get interesting.
(DIR) Post #APvsad7W1QSI8Y3aC0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T15:15:28Z
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@tetrislife This sounds like it offers an immense range of possibilities. But beware, here be dragons!Developers who live in the CLI often tend to think that what people want from a UI is a multitude of options, because that's what they want. The whole point a GUI is to *reduce* the visible options until they become manageable, and provide breadcrumb trails between related sets of options. Too many options can be overwhelming.
(DIR) Post #APvsr7tjMKHGE2TWEa by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T15:18:27Z
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Well put @ericbuijs. Now that you mention it, this reminds me of some of my Diaspora/ G+ experiences too. However, it they can learn from the failed of G+ and the decline of interest in Diaspora, perhaps they can come up with solutions for this.
(DIR) Post #APvv8pYaUNquSk9h56 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T15:44:03Z
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@jonw The logic of circles is sound, for the reason you describe. The challenge is getting the UI right, so that the curation of them doesn't end up taking more time than reading and posting, and enjoying the experience.@bonfire
(DIR) Post #APw9gSyeLR5zdZHLCy by tetrislife@qoto.org
2022-11-24T18:26:57Z
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@strypey I haven't had to try Mobilizon which has more modern UI, are its profiles as difficult to use as Hubzilla's options?
(DIR) Post #APxArgt5GGYj4oYF3w by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-25T06:14:57Z
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@tetrislife > I haven't had to try Mobilizon which has more modern UI, are its profiles as difficult to use as Hubzilla's options?I've only had a brief play with Mobilizon, so I can't really answer that question. As with most newer projects though, the UI looks more like a set of rough wireframes than a finished ready-to-use interface.
(DIR) Post #APxrgXHQw8Ta7jrsDw by jonw@hackers.town
2022-11-25T14:14:42Z
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@strypey @bonfire I guess my point is wondering if that is harder than it is in real life?Having said that, in my impossibly quick look at Bonfire I saw a permissions list that looked for too granular for more mortals to cope with. I think there is middle ground.
(DIR) Post #APy0RIvguQVurMVgP2 by bernini@social.coop
2022-11-25T15:33:30Z
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@jonw yeah, the current permission UX was implemented mostly to test the whole flow, we've drafted a new UX that imo makes everything more simple, keeping the same level of granularity. We'll work on that in the next weeks @strypey @bonfire
(DIR) Post #APy0RJVUlJ9aePGHD6 by bernini@social.coop
2022-11-25T15:34:49Z
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@jonw here a screenshot @strypey @bonfire
(DIR) Post #APy0RJtxIMifsGhoKu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-25T15:52:47Z
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Thanks for sharing this @bernini. To actually understand what I'm seeing there, I'd need to have a play with the software, which I haven't had time to do yet. But I intend to!@jonw @bonfire