Post APsRwHTFujFB7vRfLk by dean@theblower.au
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(DIR) Post #APsRnQZehP9mknDWbY by jec@social.alesan.io
2022-11-22T12:25:23Z
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> Before I continue, I prefer to dismissive the word "racist" before continuinglol the sheer entitlement. So fragile. You don't get to be handled with gloves. People are gonna say stuff like it is and you deal with it and cope however you may.> it oftens ends the conversationmmmm I wonder why that is...
(DIR) Post #APsRnR3mtNGAGFJaZU by dean@theblower.au
2022-11-22T19:40:45Z
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@jec @Are0h I like to unpack a person's bias, their reason for holding their view. For example, a prison who is clearly a Nazi sympathiser, I would instead query what they know about National Socialism so we can unpack the ideas that inspired Adolf Hitler, before saying they think like Hitler or they are a Nazi sympathiser/racist, etc.
(DIR) Post #APsRvUKibgIejG4ejw by jec@social.alesan.io
2022-11-22T19:59:57Z
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what in the actual fuck. well, by all means, let's unpack and analyze the nuances in neonazis.here's the nuance: if you simpathize with nazi ideas, you are a nazi. that was easy no?the only way you can think such debate is necessary or productive is because your privilege has completely shielded you from the kinds of attacks suffered by marginalized communities. you haven't got the slightest clue of what you're talking about, and you are actually more interested in giving nazis a platform to amplify and ellaborate on their hate than to protect vulnerable people from them. you are a smug, severely out of touch, profoundly vile person, protecting and making apologism for hate speech under a pretense of philosophy/rhetoric. and you made it abundantly clear where *your* sympathies lie.
(DIR) Post #APsRvUiTBNIZuvBclE by dean@theblower.au
2022-11-22T20:41:05Z
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@jec in the Australian context you're right, I did live as someone < 1% for nearly 9 years overseas where I did a lot of language learning, so I can imagineBack to the Nazi example. There are people who are clearly well read on national socialism and are proud in it. For them I agree with youHow many people are like this? They heard a few things, a few memes, they don't know the harm because of the entitlement you're taking of, etc. One can say "Nazi", or patiently unpack the ideas and harm
(DIR) Post #APsRvhGEXfR8p74l3Q by jec@social.alesan.io
2022-11-22T21:04:40Z
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There is NOTHING to unpack. Those nazi ideas - even when surface level and distilled into bite-sized memes - would never appeal to them if they weren't horrible people in the first place. Regular decent people don't just suddenly stumble into a neonazi meme by accident and go "this is funny! I gotta reshare this!". You gotta dig for those. Get real and stop misrepresenting neonazis as "unfortunate victims of memes/the internet". You are being intentionally dishonest for the sake of hate apologism.
(DIR) Post #APsRvheL62ie1sM0cy by dean@theblower.au
2022-11-22T21:23:50Z
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@jec so, there needs to be a level of pre-existing bias, conspiratorial thinking, blaming minority groups for the problems of the world, etc. I agree. All of that, unpack it step by step. It might start with the first group they blameBut you can't get there if the first thing is "you Nazi", etc
(DIR) Post #APsRwGz7il8ncTLbNo by jec@social.alesan.io
2022-11-22T21:29:57Z
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop wasting my time and go have tea and cookies with nazis all you want. Bye
(DIR) Post #APsRwHTFujFB7vRfLk by dean@theblower.au
2022-11-22T21:33:27Z
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@jec I'm not taking about tea and cookies with Nazis, I'm taking about online interactionsI was once the second language speaker, frustrated by the majority who has this or that biased view on different minorities. Philippine and Indonesian domestic helpers were "xxx", African people were "xxx", white people were "xxx", and often times, challenge it and have "but it's just like that" as the reply. I was angry at the overt bias and shared with other internationals. I know the feeling
(DIR) Post #APsRzQ3oQzl0dU2bGS by Marvin@fans.sonichu.com
2022-11-22T23:32:17.299577Z
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@dean @jec https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes
(DIR) Post #APsVMbcHw2Ht00ul3A by dean@theblower.au
2022-11-23T00:09:50Z
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@Marvin @jec a very good news story. Love itHate doesn't make haters drop their hate. We learn to drop our bias through having it challenged by seeing others are meaningful, of value, as another person with something to offer. Even if part of their ideas and identity are presently built on hate
(DIR) Post #APsVr2XaOckTBsE9Ca by Marvin@fans.sonichu.com
2022-11-23T00:15:34.643025Z
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Shitting on those types of people publicly is just indulgent. It's a form of virtue signalling. "look how unique I am, I hate nazis, also water is wet"If you're actually interested in reducing the cumulative hate in the world, that doesn't help. What does is reaching across the aisle.Very few people are dogmatically hateful.And yeah, it's usually an identity thing.
(DIR) Post #APsXxgJpcAcmCq5XKC by dean@theblower.au
2022-11-23T00:33:48Z
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@Marvin @jec I do understand people where for whom, at this present moment, something is too close to home. "XXXX" did something bad and it's currently affecting my sense of safetyVirtue signalling though, I'm not sure I agree. National Socialism for instance, hard to find anything good in it. There's a difference between the rusted on reader of Mein Kampf and someone who can be over time, de-radicalised. I understand that this might not be the job for the person in the first paragraph
(DIR) Post #APsXxgwpHBog9mKg6a by Marvin@fans.sonichu.com
2022-11-23T00:39:10.481382Z
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I was saying that, when someone shits on nazis publicly, they're expressing a sentiment that basically everyone has. That's the virtue signalling. You're not really taking a noble stand.*approaches the podium*Virtue signaller: Ahem, I've got something shocking to announce. It's controversial and I worry it's going to single me out, but I'll bear that burden.*dramatic pause*Virtue signaller: I hate pedophiles. There, I said it. I know I might have to suffer for my beliefs, but there they are.See what I mean?
(DIR) Post #APsY2VzJS6Sxc4nNzc by Marvin@fans.sonichu.com
2022-11-23T00:40:04.356404Z
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It doesn't actually reduce the problem. If you're lucky, they'll just ignore you, but in many cases, they'll dig in. Like a tick.Actually solving the problem requires hard, often uncomfortable work of reaching across the aisle.
(DIR) Post #APsYuE8g1waHtQmsuO by dean@theblower.au
2022-11-23T00:48:05Z
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@Marvin @jec I don't disagree, some are better positioned to do this than others